Premeditated provocation by so-called "peace activists" ends in bloodshed

[avshae]

The evil Zionists attacked a poor little peaceful aid ship and killed several of the humanitarian volunteers aboard .... or that's what Hamas and Israel's enemies want you to think.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm
Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

(BBC) - At least nine people have been killed after Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip, the Israeli army says.
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Now some people have absolutely no interest in fact. No matter what happens, they'll automatically seize any opportunity to blame Israel's government or military to promote their predetermined anti-Israel agenda. I'm not addressing these people, its more productive to talk to a brick wall. I'm talking to people who want to know what really happened:

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The movie shows clearly and beyond any doubt that Israeli soldiers boarding the Mavi Marmara vessel were not met with passive resistance of so-called "humanitarian aid volunteers", but were surprise-attacked and lynched by an armed and ruthless mob.

Clubs, molotoff cocktails, slingshots, crowbars. are these the tools of peace activists?

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But first things first - if you want to give aid to Gaza, why not do it through organized channels such as the UN, or the Red-Cross? Israel sends in 15,000 trucks of aid a week, why not just add your couple thousand truckloads to the regular shipments? The answer is of course that this was no aid convoy - this was a premeditated provocation with the primary goal of making Israel look bad in the media. (Presumably this provocation is suppose to promote the Palestinian cause, although I do not see how making one side look bad promotes the other side's cause.)

All ships in the convoy were stopped non-violently except for the Mavi Marmara. Israeli soldiers dropped in on the ship, where they were immediately attacked by a mob, several of the soldiers were injured, a few quite severely. With their life threatened, they fired on their attackers and killed several of them. Those passengers who kept away and chose not to participate in the violence were not harmed.

Israeli elite troops dropped in on the ship, not some trigger-happy riffraff. The only reason they would fire is if they were attacked, as the movies clearly shows.

[avshae]

The Israeli blockade is an act of war.

No shit Sherlock! In case you haven't heard, Israel is in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime in Gaza. Maritime blockade is a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict. If Hamas doesn't like it they have the option of unconditional surrender.

IDF clearly attacked these people.

How do you know, were you an eye witness? Or are you just huffing and puffing as you always do, throwing around groundless accusations hoping that some of it sticks. Look at the movie above then tell me who attacked whom.

[Ecolitan]

The movie shows clearly and beyond any doubt that Israeli soldiers boarding the Mavi Marmara vessel were not met with passive resistance of so-called "humanitarian aid volunteers", but were surprise-attacked and lynched by an armed and ruthless mob.

LOL.   I tried to burglarize a man's house yesterday and he ruthlessly attacked me w/o provocation.

A blockade is an act of war.  When playing Total War video games it is impossible to blockade a port w/o declaring war on the people that control it.  That's because blockades are initiation of force.

No shit Sherlock! In case you haven't heard, Israel is in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime in Gaza. Maritime blockade is a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict. If Hamas doesn't like it they have the option of unconditional surrender.

Are they at war or did the 'peace activists'

surprise-attacked and lynched by an armed and ruthless mob.

They can't both be true.  Unless jews are remarkably stupid and boarded a vessel controlled by those whom they were at war with and were surprised to meet resistance.

[Ecolitan]

IDF clearly attacked these people.

How do you know, were you an eye witness? Or are you just huffing and puffing as you always do, throwing around groundless accusations hoping that some of it sticks. Look at the movie above then tell me who attacked whom.

Did the boat belong to the IDF?  If it didn't and they weren't welcome on it than boarding it was an attack and an act of war.  I salute the brave sailors who defended their lives and property from state sponsored piracy.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

I don't see what the problem is with these nuts.  Attacking soldiers with carving knives is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.  Especially when they would just get sent back to where they came from if they cooperated.  It's not like these soldiers would have done anything but send them on their way (away from Hamas) if they had actually been peaceful people.  It's clear they weren't peaceful people.  And it's clear they are morons.  How could they have expected any other response but the one they received?  It's obvious that they are either idiots, fanatics, or tools of a greater propaganda machine; perhaps they were all of the above.

[Cognitive Dissident]

I find myself caring less and less about the problems between the joos and the hamassholes.  There are millions of people there, I'm told, who manage not to be part of the problem, and really don't care if their neighbors are jewish, muslim, arabic, semitic, persian, arian, bicoastal, bisexual, bipolar, ad naseam.  I'm with them, not the Israeli state, and not their numerous enemies.

[Ecolitan]

I don't see what the problem is with these nuts.  Attacking soldiers with carving knives is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.  Especially when they would just get sent back to where they came from if they cooperated.  It's not like these soldiers would have done anything but send them on their way (away from Hamas) if they had actually been peaceful people.  It's clear they weren't peaceful people.  And it's clear they are morons.  How could they have expected any other response but the one they received?  It's obvious that they are either idiots, fanatics, or tools of a greater propaganda machine; perhaps they were all of the above.

You can change that now cuz what you just said is even stupider.  If you and your armed friends board my boat from helicopters and and I stab you.  I was not the aggressor, YOU attacked ME.

[davann]

I don't see what the problem is with these nuts.  Attacking soldiers with carving knives is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. 

So if a mugger with a gun attacked you and your family with a gun and all you had was a butcher knife you would just let him slaughter your whole family with not so much as a wimper? You people are illogical. And terrorists.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Sorry but Israeli soldiers are not muggers.  They would have just turned the boat around and told them to go home.  That would have been it.

This whole situation was either staged, or the people on the boat were complete morons or religious fanatics (I guess not much of a difference between the latter two).

[avshae]

I tried to burglarize a man's house yesterday and he ruthlessly attacked me w/o provocation.

That has absolutely no relevance to the issue at hand. Declaring and enforcing a maritime blockade are legitimate acts during a state of armed conflict. If these were truly peace activists they could have accepted Israel's offer to transport the goods by land to Gaza after inspection. Once they tried to run the blockade Israel had full right to stop them, and those of them who were armed (with knives, clubs, etc) were rightfully treated as hostile.

A blockade is an act of war. [..] That's because blockades are initiation of force.

Yes. Israel is at war with the Hamas regime in Gaza. It has something to do with the thousands of rockets that are fired from Gaza into Israeli towns.

Are they at war or did the 'peace activists'

surprise-attacked and lynched by an armed and ruthless mob.

They can't both be true.  Unless jews are remarkably stupid and boarded a vessel controlled by those whom they were at war with and were surprised to meet resistance.

Had the vessel identified itself as Hamas, Israeli navy would have sunk it on the spot. But it identified itself as a civilian ship full of "peace activists", waving a turkish flag. Turkey is not in armed conflict with Israel. Therefore Israeli soldiers did not expect to get stabbed and hurled off deck the minute they boarded to enforce a lawfully declared blockade.

[The Muslim Agorist]

700 Jihadists use thousands of tons of food and medical supplies as distraction in grand conspiracy to bring knives to a gun fight. That's rich.

[One two three]

This is sad.  If anyone of the people on the boats where serious liberty activists they likely already tried to move to New Hampshire but the feds turned them down.  I guess a serious liberty activist has to do something if they cannot move to NH.  Though maybe they could have get second jobs and sent money to causes inside NH.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Keith.  Are you serious?  I mean really.  You're trying to recruit these nut jobs to join the FSP?   

You're calling these tools liberty activists?  What a joke.

I mean seriously, trying to recruit Muslim religious fanatics to join the FSP. 

[The Muslim Agorist]

Declaring and enforcing a maritime blockade are legitimate acts during a state of armed conflict.

You seem very fond of saying that. If "enforcing the blockade" is legitimate before they reach the blockade where does the blockade start?

This is such a joke.

[One two three]

Keith.  Are you serious?  I mean really.  You're trying to recruit these nut jobs to join the FSP?   

No, I'm not.

You're calling these tools liberty activists?  What a joke.

No, I didn't.  If they were serious liberty activists, they would have likely already tried to move to NH but been turned down.  That's what I'm saying.  I don't know much about these people and I cannot speak for all of them.