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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: alaric89 on July 01, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/01/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/01/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp)
If you feel like annoying yourself here is the corresponding Fark thread.
http://www.fark.com/comments/6346758/Welcome-to-Libertarian-summer-camp-where-nobody-needs-a-permit-food-safety-requires-a-handgun-cash-registers-flow-over-with-bits-of-gold-silver?startid=70138560 (http://www.fark.com/comments/6346758/Welcome-to-Libertarian-summer-camp-where-nobody-needs-a-permit-food-safety-requires-a-handgun-cash-registers-flow-over-with-bits-of-gold-silver?startid=70138560)
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Assholes just can't stand the idea of a group of people peacefully having fun without having their PapersPlease! in order.
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a lot the comments look like they think everyone is ripping each other off, and that without food inspection we are all being poisoned.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/01/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/01/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp)
If you feel like annoying yourself here is the corresponding Fark thread.
http://www.fark.com/comments/6346758/Welcome-to-Libertarian-summer-camp-where-nobody-needs-a-permit-food-safety-requires-a-handgun-cash-registers-flow-over-with-bits-of-gold-silver?startid=70138560 (http://www.fark.com/comments/6346758/Welcome-to-Libertarian-summer-camp-where-nobody-needs-a-permit-food-safety-requires-a-handgun-cash-registers-flow-over-with-bits-of-gold-silver?startid=70138560)
I don't recommend it. I posted the "24 types of Authoritarians" and got out. I can't even understand what some of those people are saying, their positions are so far away from anything remotely sensible.
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That's about all you can do with their type. Just do a drive-by posting and be done with it. Arguing with 'em is like mud-wrestling a pig or arguing with a truck driver.
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and cash registers flow over with bits of gold and silver
And now the next PF is gonna get robbed by some weirdo.
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Yeah... of all the places to try something. One would have better luck trying armed robbery in the FBI building.
I don't mind arguing on Fark. I might have to start copying and pasting from here though, I don't remember how to post there.
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I find it hilarious that the reporter bought those doomed silver laminated cards then was shut down when trying to buy something with them. Bwah ha ha.
Sucks that the reporter didnt realize WHY they were unable to purchase with those. Way to avoid researching the topic at hand.
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It will be a Federal crime to trade in gold & silver after the 15th. I wonder if that will have any ramifications at PF next year. Maybe just result in more discretion about who people accepts metals from (or not as people say "fuck it").
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It will be a Federal crime to trade in gold & silver after the 15th.
That isn't exactly the case. Deferred (Delayed more than 28 days) delivery of foreign exchange (Forex) sales are the only commerce affected. No other precious metal exchanges, personal or en masse are effected by Dodd-Frank.
If they are a coin dealer who sells gold, silver, etc., and they deliver the product in 28 days or less, the Dodd-Frank Act should not affect them as the seller or you as the buyer.
Still, I expect prices to take a jump as it's a scary scenario being set up.
I expect little people like us will, if anything, just get our shit more quickly.
EDIT: if you buy from Apmex, Kitco, Bulliondirect etc. for instance, nothing changes. If you are doing personal trades, nothing changes. The primary real effects of Dodd-Frank on metal exchanges are making it illegal to take more than 28 days to deliver.
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They did okay with the news item this morning. It was a little too truncated to get a good perspective, but I thought George and his rogue breakfast grill came across pretty well. Like that he pointed out with his store-bought eggs that he's all about meeting the needs of his customers while being as gov't free as possible, not just thumbing his nose at the gov't.
I listened to the full podcast a couple days ago - found it to be very good. Sure, they discussed a few things that they had the typical "bunch of nuts" reaction to, but then had a great discussion about the issues of trust (paraphrasing)...one of the services government provides is the luxury of not having to trust anyone... Personal responsibility, including the discussion that teens weren't being sold beer because out of respect for the authority of their parents... no laws needed. They covered ridiculousness of regulating boards and mentioned the many studies by economists which show licensing boards do more protect the established businesses from new competition than the public.
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"ROGERS: That's Porcfest lead organizer, an anarchist who goes by the name Sovereign Curtis. Curtis was between pulls on a marijuana pipe outside an event called the big gay dance party."
AHAHAHAAHAHA thats an NPR quote. Whatever amount of publicity this movement gets thanks to the NPR plugs, the quality of publicity is going to be crazy.
I listened to the full podcast a couple days ago
Where's the link to that one?
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"ROGERS: That's Porcfest lead organizer, an anarchist who goes by the name Sovereign Curtis. Curtis was between pulls on a marijuana pipe outside an event called the big gay dance party."
AHAHAHAAHAHA thats an NPR quote. Whatever amount of publicity this movement gets thanks to the NPR plugs, the quality of publicity is going to be crazy.
I listened to the full podcast a couple days ago
Where's the link to that one?
I think you are talking about the very first thing posted in this thread? http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/01/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp
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"ROGERS: That's Porcfest lead organizer, an anarchist who goes by the name Sovereign Curtis. Curtis was between pulls on a marijuana pipe outside an event called the big gay dance party."
AHAHAHAAHAHA thats an NPR quote. Whatever amount of publicity this movement gets thanks to the NPR plugs, the quality of publicity is going to be crazy.
I listened to the full podcast a couple days ago
Where's the link to that one?
I think you are talking about the very first thing posted in this thread? http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/01/137534361/breakfast-at-libertarian-summer-camp
They didnt talk about not selling teens beer on there.
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They didnt talk about not selling teens beer on there.
In the 30 min podcast they did. The reporter bought a handmade coaster from a 9 year old, which came with a free beer. Neither of the fellow doing the podcast seemed to have any problem with buying coaster and beer from the kid... they both thought it was kind of cute, like a lemonade stand.
He then had a conversation with - the girl's mother, I think? - where she said an underage customer would not be served beer, and that it was out of respect for the parents... the podcasters sounded as if they thought it was perfectly reasonable. Between that, the summer camp aspect for kid business startups, and the discussion that anyone causing food poisoning would be shut down by the other campers without the need for health inspectors, I think it definitely shut down the discussion going in the 'libertarians don't care about community' direction.
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The whole thing was really annoying. There was a patronizing tone on the NPR article and the commenters are either loons or progressive, nanny-state dicks.
"what happens when your child is poisoned by uninspected bacon? You're going to need my inspected hospital and ambulance paid for by my taxes. YOU NEED ME!" that post completely ignores the fact that PF has been going on for years and I don't think any death or lawsuits have come of it. It also doesn't make the logical step of if my food can be safe without gov't inspection, so can my doctor.
These things make me want to facepalm myself repeatedly.
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All of the bacon was inspected and smoked (cooked), or it likely was as most store bought bacon is smoked and possibly safe to eat without further cooking. In fact, George may have cooked in again in an oven (cooked the weaves together) and than cooked it a 3rd time at Porcfest on the grill. It was all cooked, likely, 2-3 times.
As for the NPR audience, sounds typical of what I think of when I think of NPR audience. My guess is less than 1% of adults in the US are voluntaryists/ anarcho-capitalists/ market anarchists.
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Ah here it is: http://www.npr.org/templates/archives/archive.php?thingId=127413729
I kept looking at the 3 minute one.
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"We're talking about 'Big L' Libertarians."
I thought that it was the other way round. More 'little L' libertarians.
Made me mad that they assumed the dude with a gun would literally run a person with bad food out of the campground. Thats not what would happen obviously.
My guess is less than 1% of adults in the US are voluntaryists/ anarcho-capitalists/ market anarchists.
A lot less than that lol. Thats why they're gathering in NH. Strength in numbers.
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"We're talking about 'Big L' Libertarians."
I thought that it was the other way round. More 'little L' libertarians.
There certainly were errors in the report. Capital X means political part. Lower case x means ideology or something similar. Libertarian, Conservative, Liberal, Republican and so on are political parties. Liberal, conservative, republican and libertarian are ideologies or something else.