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Title: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman on April 11, 2009, 09:37:32 PM
Season 7 premiere will be Thursday, June 25th.  It will air for ten consecutive weeks, airing the episodes in the aforementioned order.

I wonder about the Taxes one - people like Penn Jillette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Jillette) can be very unpredictable.  Will he be like "taxes are bullshit" or "no one likes paying taxes, but all them 'income tax is unconstitutional' scams are bullshit"?   :?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: AntonLee on April 11, 2009, 09:40:04 PM
I absolutely love this show.  I hope he does the former rather than the latter on the Taxes episode.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Last Of The Free on April 12, 2009, 01:18:30 AM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Njal on April 12, 2009, 06:45:21 AM
I was hoping for LoA. That there's gold for BS.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman on April 12, 2009, 08:44:17 AM
Yeah, I'd like to see one on "Law of Attraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction)" in season 8.  Also: nationalism, intellectual property, Ancient Greece, democracy, and so on.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: shezmu on April 12, 2009, 09:51:01 AM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.

From what I've seen, it's a show about a Libertarian dual who disprove statists views. What's not to love?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Brisco County, Jr. on April 12, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
I wonder about the Taxes one - people like Penn Jillette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Jillette) can be very unpredictable.  Will he be like "taxes are bullshit" or "no one likes paying taxes, but all them 'income tax is unconstitutional' scams are bullshit"?   :?



I could easily see them doing both.  "Taxes are bullshit but these guys (the one spouting about the unconstitutionality of taxes) are also bullshit."  My guess is that it will be about taxes in general.  They're usually pretty good at titling the show.  Assuming the titles you listed are accurate, then they would have named the episode tax denial or something if it were about the deniers.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on April 12, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.

From what I've seen, it's a show about a Libertarian dual who disprove statists views. What's not to love?

Well, it's actually a mix of them speaking out against statist views or pseudoscience-- they blend them together a lot.  This is a source of annoyance to non-libertarian skeptics, like the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe people who often suggest that the remedy for perpetuating pseudoscience should be prison time.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on April 12, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
I am SUCH a fan of this show. It is so hard to disagree with them, because everything they bring up, truly is Bullshit!

I have to say, it has been a major force in shaping my beliefs.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Njal on April 12, 2009, 04:26:52 PM
I was disappointed with the NASA show. I felt like they kid gloved it (to verb a noun).
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on April 12, 2009, 04:32:49 PM
Organic and Apocalypse are two I'm looking forward to.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on April 12, 2009, 04:50:58 PM
I think the only episode that I've not liked was the one on conspiracy theories.  And I agreed with them for the most part there, but what really bothered me was that they were arguing against conspiracy theories related to 9/11 by saying that they're disrespectful to the people who died in the attacks-- basically, trying to make conspiracy theorists stop theorizing through guilt. 

I found that thinking repellent.  Yes, I have very little time for the "truthers" and find their obsession just as annoying as anyone.  But disagreeing about the reasons for a person's death is only disrespectful if you're blaming it on them.  The truthers are generally saying that the government is actually behind the attacks to some degree or another.  That might be wrong, even ridiculously wrong, but it's not disrespectful.  Saying that it is just comes off to me as nationalism-- and even though P&T are staunchly anti-government, Penn at least does get nationalistic at times.  He once did an entire radio show slamming other countries because some actress made an off-the-cuff comment about Americans being stupid.  It was a dumb comment, but he really flew off the handle about it.

Penn would diverge sharply from Ron Paul on the subject of 9/11....Penn really does believe that "they attacked us for our freedoms."  At least unlike conservatives he doesn't support doing away with those freedoms, but strangely (to me) he seems to be unable to avoid conflating the American people with the American government on that point. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on April 12, 2009, 05:19:43 PM
I agree with you for the most part. While Penn and Teller are both libertarians, Teller is the one I agree with more and in my mind both the more intelligent and cooler one. Even Penn says that Teller is the talkative one that comes up with more ideas (backstage). When Teller does talk, it is much more intelligent and less loud, also it is usually not scripted. Like the youtube video where he is explaining how a magician put on a fun (but simple) trick just for him with implications that were bigger than what other observers saw based on the fact that he too was a magician.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: freeAgent on April 12, 2009, 05:39:47 PM
Organic food, taxes, and lawns sound the most interesting to me, but for three different reasons.  I think I'll enjoy organic food because I think that the whole organic food craze is stupid bullshit.  I'm interested to see what direction they take the taxes episode, and I think the lawns episode will just be funny :)
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: JWI on April 12, 2009, 05:44:24 PM
Organic food, taxes, and lawns sound the most interesting to me, but for three different reasons.  I think I'll enjoy organic food because I think that the whole organic food craze is stupid bullshit.  I'm interested to see what direction they take the taxes episode, and I think the lawns episode will just be funny :)

Yeah the lawns one has me interested.  I always laugh at my neighbors who spends hours and hours and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on their lawns just to have them covered by snow for 4 months of the year.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on April 12, 2009, 05:46:29 PM
Yeah I dunno wtf they're gonna rant about the lawns episode, everyone knows lawns are silly but continue to mow them.

I've been against the organic movement since I have had any opinion on it so I hope they do quite well with it.

And it the apocalypse one gives me any more fuel to fight the rapture BS then I will be rather grateful.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: danneracci on April 13, 2009, 12:55:39 AM
I agree with you for the most part. While Penn and Teller are both libertarians, Teller is the one I agree with more and in my mind both the more intelligent and cooler one. Even Penn says that Teller is the talkative one that comes up with more ideas (backstage). When Teller does talk, it is much more intelligent and less loud, also it is usually not scripted. Like the youtube video where he is explaining how a magician put on a fun (but simple) trick just for him with implications that were bigger than what other observers saw based on the fact that he too was a magician.

I'd love to get more of a feeling for Tellers perspective, but I haven't ever seen anything by him other than that video you referenced (which is very cool).

Penn does an often interesting video blog which you can find here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=pennsays&view=videos

(I voted for Taxes, Organic Foods, and Video Games. Can't wait for season7)
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on May 24, 2009, 03:56:01 PM
CORRECTION: the "Video Games" episode title has been clarified as "Violent Video Games".

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One month to go...
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Coconut on May 24, 2009, 03:59:14 PM
I am shocked there has not been a "Speed Limits" BS.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on May 24, 2009, 04:22:40 PM
I am shocked there has not been a "Speed Limits" BS.

So much bullshit, so little time....
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Lothar on May 24, 2009, 04:35:47 PM
I'd like to see one on voting/democracy.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on June 19, 2009, 08:54:37 PM

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Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on June 19, 2009, 09:06:39 PM
I was just checking on it today too...
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on June 19, 2009, 09:11:58 PM
Penn Says: Live Free or Die

[youtube=425,350]2IVxb5EBR-E[/youtube]
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: freeAgent on June 19, 2009, 10:04:56 PM
Penn Says: Live Free or Die

[youtube=425,350]2IVxb5EBR-E[/youtube]


Those are pretty much my feelings exactly, but my job isn't quite as good as Penn's :P
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Chronicles on June 20, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
It looks like we will be moving to Nevada...and first thing I will do it get some tickets to his show. I hope I get to chat with him backstage after the show.

I'm looking forward to the shows on orgasms, video games, and stress. I'm really interested in the stress ep, since I envounter so many people in my suburban life that are "SO STRESSED OUT!", while their kids are at government school all day and they make more than 100k.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on June 20, 2009, 12:53:49 AM
I'm looking forward to the shows on orgasms, video games, and stress

I hear that video games and orgasms are a good antidote to stress.  Tough to manage at the same time, though. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: freeAgent on June 20, 2009, 07:50:18 AM
I'm looking forward to the shows on orgasms, video games, and stress

I hear that video games and orgasms are a good antidote to stress.  Tough to manage at the same time, though. 

I don't know about that...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rez

;)
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: shezmu on June 20, 2009, 05:36:28 PM
I'm interested in the Astrology and Apocalypse episodes as I like it when they tear the woowoo scam artists a new one. Also, I am interested in seeing how they'll cover the violent video game scare.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: fatcat on June 20, 2009, 08:02:46 PM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.

From what I've seen, it's a show about a Libertarian/skeptic dual who disprove BULLSHIT views. What's not to love?

FTFY
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: JWI on June 20, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.

From what I've seen, it's a show about a Libertarian/skeptic duo who disprove BULLSHIT views. What's not to love?

FTFY

Fixed again

also, This.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: shezmu on June 22, 2009, 11:30:13 AM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.

From what I've seen, it's a show about a Libertarian/skeptic duo who disprove BULLSHIT views. What's not to love?

FTFY

Fixed again

also, This.

Oops, my bad. At the time of me posting that, the only episodes in my mind were the libertarian ones. Sorry. :(
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: JWI on June 23, 2009, 09:28:19 PM
people keep telling me to watch this show. i think i'll start listening.

From what I've seen, it's a show about a Libertarian/skeptic duo who disprove BULLSHIT views. What's not to love?

FTFY

Fixed again

also, This.

Oops, my bad. At the time of me posting that, the only episodes in my mind were the libertarian ones. Sorry. :(

LOL No issue here, I just felt like being a grammar Nazi.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Laetitia on June 23, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
I am shocked there has not been a "Speed Limits" BS.


You know... I'd like to see this. I was driving through Texas last week, and loved their approach to speed limits.
80, with a couple of qualifiers about night time or potential flooding, on the interstate, except in the cities. And the highways were marked 10-15 miles higher than here in Georgia. (The center of small towns were @ 35mph, but not for more than just the few blocks around the post office, school and store.)

I felt perfectly safe zipping along at 85 with the rest of traffic, and everyone seemed to naturally adjust as heavier traffic, wind or rain storms changed driving conditions. Saw fewer cops and accidents in 2-3 days of travel than I see in a typical drive across town to the dentist.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Harry Tuttle on June 24, 2009, 12:55:29 AM
I look forward to all of them. I have to say I'm most intersted in the "Organic Food" on because that seems to be one of the most inane religious movements of the moment.

I'm curious as to why "orgasms" is listed though. I'm sure they will not be taking the position that orgasms do not occur. Perhaps they will discuss some myths about orgasms or how they are/are not achieved. Either way, I'll be watching.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Lindsey on June 24, 2009, 08:49:40 PM
I look forward to all of them. I have to say I'm most intersted in the "Organic Food" on because that seems to be one of the most inane religious movements of the moment.

I'm curious as to why "orgasms" is listed though. I'm sure they will not be taking the position that orgasms do not occur. Perhaps they will discuss some myths about orgasms or how they are/are not achieved. Either way, I'll be watching.

Those are the two I am most interested in.  I have just begun watching the first season - as I have always been interested in the show but never had the opportunity to watch.  Also, the boyfriends' parents are really in to organics - and I do buy some organic things as well so I'm definitely interested in that.  Orgasms...I just gotta know what the show topic will be. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on June 27, 2009, 01:36:27 PM

Episode One (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4975925/Penn.and.Teller.Bullshit.S07E01.HDTV.XviD-aAF.avi)
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on June 28, 2009, 12:37:02 PM
YAAAY!
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on June 28, 2009, 01:58:51 PM
I'm curious as to why "orgasms" is listed though. I'm sure they will not be taking the position that orgasms do not occur. Perhaps they will discuss some myths about orgasms or how they are/are not achieved. Either way, I'll be watching.

Mostly just an opportunity to show loads of nudity, loads of people making "O" faces, and to make fun of various kinds of sex coaches and the people who go to them.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Lindsey on June 28, 2009, 07:17:54 PM
I'm curious as to why "orgasms" is listed though. I'm sure they will not be taking the position that orgasms do not occur. Perhaps they will discuss some myths about orgasms or how they are/are not achieved. Either way, I'll be watching.

Mostly just an opportunity to show loads of nudity, loads of people making "O" faces, and to make fun of various kinds of sex coaches and the people who go to them.

It didn't quite hit me the right way.  I thought some bits of it were good, like the statistics about how over half of women don't have an orgasm from intercourse, etc., but I wasn't expecting so much focus on the hippie freako sex coaches.  'Twas a bit odd, but hey - it's my fault for developing a certain expectation. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Russell Griswold on June 28, 2009, 07:19:48 PM
The "sex coaches" made me laugh. The whole episode was meh.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Harry Tuttle on June 29, 2009, 10:55:03 PM
I agree with the concensus on the orgasm episode. It seems like they just "phoned it in" on this one. Making fun of new-age touchy-feely types is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Maybe they are running out of bullshit topics?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: shezmu on June 30, 2009, 05:19:44 AM
Maybe they are running out of bullshit topics?

Unless they have so standards that prohibits them from covering 99% of the BS out there, I doubt it. I mean, they haven't even touched free energy yet.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on July 10, 2009, 09:13:20 PM
CORRECTION: the "Video Games" episode title has been clarified as "Violent Video Games".

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One month to go...

BT link (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Penn-and-Teller-Bullshit-S07E03-HDTV-XviD-aAF/395299cda608a0e76aa7f84b446d7077f413aea26a82)

So, what do y'all think?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on July 10, 2009, 10:52:01 PM
the "Video Games" episode title has been clarified as "Violent Video Games"So, what do y'all think?

Disappointed.  It made some good points, but those were clouded by the lousy ones.  As much as I like P&T, I'm really getting tired of them making fun of people in lieu of making actual arguments-- it's horribly condescending to the audience.  If you're talking to a guy who says that the combination of troubled kids, guns, and first person shooter video games leads to killings, then it is not an argument against that  to point out that killings occur when that combination does not exist.  It's like saying that running a red light doesn't cause car accidents because speeding does.  

Oh, and I took rifelry in Girl Scouts when I was 9 or 10 years old, and it wasn't a big deal.  Really.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Harry Tuttle on July 11, 2009, 03:31:06 AM
Yeah. Last season my wife and I were into the show. This season it is a lot more "fuck the fucking fuck you fucking fuck!!!" and less evidence.

Still, they show boobs a lot so I'll keep watching.  :P
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: libertylover on July 11, 2009, 04:40:45 AM
Orgasms, *YAWN*  Agreed phoned in and worthlessly exploitative did I mention is was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on July 13, 2009, 05:08:23 PM
I'm a huge anti-censorship freak, as you all know, but I also believe in parents' rights, and I think it's reasonable that buying / selling / exchanging certain "mature" products or services (sex, drugs, alcohol, violent stuff, etc) require explicit parental permission.  Sure, it would be nice if the parents could be expected to monitor their kids 100% of the time, and emerging technology is gradually making it easier, but it still seems very far from realistic.

In an Anarcho-Capitalist society, responsibility for "unconsentual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent)" transactions in theory could be enforced through litigation - if you sell my kid something that can cause mental or physical damage, I should be able to sue you.  This would of course have negative side-effects, one of those being that even selling eggs and peanut butter to anyone who isn't an emancipated adult carries a potential liability.  What if the kid eggs someone's house, or what if s\he's allergic to peanut butter?  On the other hand it would be fairly easy to establish a system of relaying parental consent: malls may require under-18 shoppers to use a special credit card that they can only get with parents' permission, etc.  Most teenagers would have this explicit permission to buy the things that teenagers are typically allowed to buy.

A bigger problem is the issue of less formal exchanges of information: can I sue you for just talking to my kid, or seeding a bittorrent file that my kid downloads?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on July 21, 2009, 01:42:23 PM
What did you think of the one on 2012?

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Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Lindsey on July 21, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
What did you think of the one on 2012?

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Thanks for the link, Libman.  I will see if I can get around to watching this today or tomorrow.  This one hopefully will be pretty interesting.  Next one I'm looking forward to is the organic food one. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on July 24, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
Finally saw an episode, it was the Violent Video Game one. It was better than I thought it would be due to them having the kid shoot a gun and the apologetic ending.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: EternityAblaze on July 24, 2009, 12:32:32 AM
When will episode 5 come out?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on July 24, 2009, 12:57:11 AM
If you sign up for their facebook page they will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: yamnuska on July 24, 2009, 04:07:07 AM
Have they ever done one on voting?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on July 24, 2009, 05:22:54 AM
When will episode 5 come out?

They air every Thursday with no gaps, so #5 -- Lie Detectors -- was supposed to be last night, Organic Food on July 30th, then Taxes on August 6th.  I'm during one of my no-broadband phases at the moment (Gulching ain't easy - my EDGE/GPRS connection is hardly working here), but finding a torrent shouldn't be too hard...


Have they ever done one on voting?

No, and I figure that after the one on Taxes you wouldn't want them to.  I'm a pessimist to begin with, and my experience with the "skeptics" on the JREF forum (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=23386) shows that much of the show's target audience is pretty darn socialist - even if P&T are genuine minarchists they still can't afford to alienate them.  They'll probably do a smear-job on people like Ed Brown and the various crackpot legal theories, and end with "no one likes taxes, but ya gotta pay"...  :x
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Terror Australis on July 24, 2009, 10:36:34 AM
When will episode 5 come out?

They air every Thursday with no gaps, so #5 -- Lie Detectors -- was supposed to be last night, Organic Food on July 30th, then Taxes on August 6th.  I'm during one of my no-broadband phases at the moment (Gulching ain't easy - my EDGE/GPRS connection is hardly working here), but finding a torrent shouldn't be too hard...


Have they ever done one on voting?

No, and I figure that after the one on Taxes you wouldn't want them to.  I'm a pessimist to begin with, and my experience with the "skeptics" on the JREF forum (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=23386) shows that much of the show's target audience is pretty darn socialist - even if P&T are genuine minarchists they still can't afford to alienate them.  They'll probably do a smear-job on people like Ed Brown and the various crackpot legal theories, and end with "no one likes taxes, but ya gotta pay"...  :x


They will be the first ones rounded up by their beloved state because they have entirely closed minds when it comes to this subject.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Slim on July 24, 2009, 12:01:12 PM
I watched the lie detector episode last night and it showed a woman beat the polygraph by contracting and relaxing their asshole. I knew that you could beat the polygraph by controlling your body but I never thought that you can beat it by using your butthole.

Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Andy on July 24, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
When will episode 5 come out?

They air every Thursday with no gaps, so #5 -- Lie Detectors -- was supposed to be last night, Organic Food on July 30th, then Taxes on August 6th.  I'm during one of my no-broadband phases at the moment (Gulching ain't easy - my EDGE/GPRS connection is hardly working here), but finding a torrent shouldn't be too hard...


Have they ever done one on voting?

No, and I figure that after the one on Taxes you wouldn't want them to.  I'm a pessimist to begin with, and my experience with the "skeptics" on the JREF forum (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=23386) shows that much of the show's target audience is pretty darn socialist - even if P&T are genuine minarchists they still can't afford to alienate them.  They'll probably do a smear-job on people like Ed Brown and the various crackpot legal theories, and end with "no one likes taxes, but ya gotta pay"...  :x


I'm confused, have you seen one on taxes or haven't you?

Edit:

Never mind I see it's coming up.

I wouldn't be so sure. I wouldn't expect them to come out and say 'taxes are stealing' that's not really what the show is about. (Too moralising?) I'd guess something along the lines of how ridiculously complicated they are.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on July 25, 2009, 05:49:11 AM
They will be the first ones rounded up by their beloved state because they have entirely closed minds when it comes to this subject.

Whether they're first or middle or last is a matter of circumstance, but tyrants do tend to be ruthless in dealing with the little butt-kissers who are supposedly on their side.  Stalin's purges are a perfect example.  Even "Judas goats" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_goat) eventually get slaughtered.


I watched the lie detector episode last night and it showed a woman beat the polygraph by contracting and relaxing their asshole.  [...]

:lol:
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: kalmia on July 28, 2009, 05:27:26 AM
When will episode 5 come out?

They air every Thursday with no gaps, so #5 -- Lie Detectors -- was supposed to be last night, Organic Food on July 30th, then Taxes on August 6th.  I'm during one of my no-broadband phases at the moment (Gulching ain't easy - my EDGE/GPRS connection is hardly working here), but finding a torrent shouldn't be too hard...


Have they ever done one on voting?

No, and I figure that after the one on Taxes you wouldn't want them to.  I'm a pessimist to begin with, and my experience with the "skeptics" on the JREF forum (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=23386) shows that much of the show's target audience is pretty darn socialist - even if P&T are genuine minarchists they still can't afford to alienate them.  They'll probably do a smear-job on people like Ed Brown and the various crackpot legal theories, and end with "no one likes taxes, but ya gotta pay"...  :x


I hope they don't use some social contract arguments in this.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Lindsey on July 28, 2009, 08:32:58 AM
The 2012 one was amusing.  Though I thought they could have used the show's budget a little more wisely than to make fun of people who believe that the Mayan calendar will end on 12/21/2012 and we're all gonna die.   :lol:
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on July 30, 2009, 02:04:32 PM
Speaking of tonight's episode...

From Slashdot -- UK's FSA Finds No Health Benefits To Organic Food (http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/0210224/UKs-FSA-Finds-No-Health-Benefits-To-Organic-Food) --

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The UK Food Standards Agency (http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2009/jul/organic)'s "Independant Organic Review" results were just released, and the BBC rushed to publish the findings in the shockingly titled article, "No Health Benefits to Organic Food (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm)".

From the article, "there is little difference in nutritional value and no evidence of any extra health benefits from eating organic produce, UK researchers found".  A peek into the research at PostPeakPublishing provides a slightly deeper look (http://postpeakpublishing.com/).

I am a big fan of food security -- that is voluntary consumer preference for the food grown by themselves, their family, their friends, and their neighbors -- but the broader "organic industry" is indeed protectionist big government bullshit!
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: blackie on July 30, 2009, 02:38:53 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm
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The review did not look at pesticides or the environmental impact of different farming practices.

...

"Also, there is not sufficient research on the long-term effects of pesticides on human health," he added.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on August 02, 2009, 08:37:06 PM
As with most subjects, "organic" is ambiguous.   It's not just about tasting better.  It's not just about pesticides.  It's not just about what's more healthier for the consumer, although all of these are important.  It's also about how the animals you're eating have been treated. 

The reason why I buy organic eggs is that "free range" doesn't really mean anything in terms of how the chickens are treated, and what they're fed.  They could be fed the same old corn and growth hormone meal crapola, and they can still be labeled "free range" if there's a small open door in the barn where they spend the entirety of their days.  Chickens which are actually pastured raised, on the other hand, produce eggs which are dramatically more healthy than those raised on a factory farm and live much better lives besides. 

At Sprouts, the local farmer's market, you can get an organic bunch of celery that is much bigger and tastes better than the standard kind for about 30 cents more.  I'll stick with organic, thanks. 

Fake titted blondes?  Yeah, seen tons of those already. 

In short:  Boooooooooooring. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 02, 2009, 08:56:59 PM
I don't go out of my way to buy organic, but I do attempt to avoid pure crap like Twinkies.  Its hard to avoid chemicals and preservatives, so I guess every little bit helps, and when I have the chance to select something locally raised or attempts to call itself organic, I'll probably select it.  But everything you touch, no matter how innocent it appears, is just loaded with chemicals.  So theres no avoiding them unless you have a total change of your habits entirely. 

I'm sitting here, and theres a bowl of Keebler "sociables" crackers I had with cheese earlier.  I know if I look, theres probably some weirdo shit in it, like "malodexterin", and the wheat is probably factory farmed with all sorts of enhancement fertilizers in it.  Every single day, its in everything.  So, you're fucked.  A few eggs and celery ain't gonna help.  But I do it anyway, in an attempt to balance it out, minimize it, whatever. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on August 02, 2009, 09:11:22 PM
I'm sitting here, and theres a bowl of Keebler "sociables" crackers I had with cheese earlier.  I know if I look, theres probably some weirdo shit in it, like "malodexterin", and the wheat is probably factory farmed with all sorts of enhancement fertilizers in it.  Every single day, its in everything.  So, you're fucked.  A few eggs and celery ain't gonna help.  But I do it anyway, in an attempt to balance it out, minimize it, whatever. 

Help?  Sure it helps, if you're getting a better product under what you feel are better conditions.  Is it going to save the world?  Of course not, but what kind of idiot thinks they're going to save the world through their dietary choices? 

Saw the movie "Food Inc." a few weeks ago, and quite liked it.  If all of the people in this country who are opposed to government subsidies to farmers for corn and other products could actually get together, regardless of their other political inclinations, we might actually manage to get something done. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 08, 2009, 12:28:57 PM
The organic food one was better than most.  The taste tests were great, and the "last supper" narrative was brilliant!

I didn't get to the taxes one (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5045797/Penn.and.Teller.Bullshit.S07E07.HDTV.XviD-aAF.avi) yet, downloading it now and will watch tonight.  Can't wait.  :D


The episode description on WP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_%26_Teller:_Bullshit!_episodes#Season_7:_2009) reads:

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Penn & Teller show us our nation's tax system is complex and unfair.
The guys visit the halls of Congress in search of a legislator willing to discuss America's tax system.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 21, 2009, 01:36:43 PM
So, what does everyone think about the taxes episode?

It seems like they were pushing for one of those "simple" flat / "fair" tax schemes, that's all...  :cry:


And there's a new one: S07E09 (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5064351/Penn.and.Teller.Bullshit.S07E09.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION), stress.

(EDIT: the low-res version of the Stress episode (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5063803/Penn.And.Teller.Bullshit.S07E09.HDTV.XviD-SYS) plays better on old hardware.)
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Andy on August 21, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
So, what does everyone think about the taxes episode?

It seems like they were pushing for one of those "simple" flat / "fair" tax schemes, that's all...  :cry:

And there's a new one: S07E09 (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5064351/Penn.and.Teller.Bullshit.S07E09.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION), stress.



I wouldn't be so sure. I wouldn't expect them to come out and say 'taxes are stealing' that's not really what the show is about. (Too moralising?) I'd guess something along the lines of how ridiculously complicated they are.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Vivo Pro Libertas on August 23, 2009, 05:57:00 AM
I quite liked the episode on lawns. It was pretty funny.

And that poor dude that went to jail for not having a green lawn was pretty sad. All in all a good episode imho.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Harry Tuttle on August 24, 2009, 01:26:28 AM
I quite liked the episode on lawns. It was pretty funny.

And that poor dude that went to jail for not having a green lawn was pretty sad. All in all a good episode imho.

Agreed. I'm asking myself what kind of people would enforce a penalty upon their neighbor, knowing that he is doing his best and having trouble. The answer, of course, is people who have subordinated their humanity to a set of rules.

I saw a memo from my homeowner's association the other day talking about some new rules they want to impose regarding upkeep of garden areas visible from the front of properties. My entire community is VERY clean and nice. I would think that the occasional friendly chat would take care of most issues. Sadly, there are some people who would rather resort to a universal rule than to have a friendly conversation about some perceived problem.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 28, 2009, 12:34:10 PM
..... aaand the Vatican episode (http://www.mininova.org/tor/2892681) concludes the season.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Laetitia on August 28, 2009, 11:00:07 PM
So, what does everyone think about the taxes episode?

It seems like they were pushing for one of those "simple" flat / "fair" tax schemes, that's all...  :cry:


I just saw the Taxes episode this afternoon. I thought it was quite good.
Didn't think they were endorsing one alternative plan over another, other than as "anything is better than this BS".

The point they kept coming back to with the Boston re-enactment was wonderful. The colonials had the balls to stand up against the Crown over relatively small taxes, when they had no voice in government, were separated by an ocean, and they were surrounded by "peace keeping" armed forces. Today, the typical american responds with the "we can't do anything about it", and won't even take advantage of the many modern conveniences to communicate with the representatives we (or our neighbors) voted for.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 07, 2009, 09:20:51 PM
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:lol:
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on September 07, 2009, 09:57:50 PM
Why I keep visiting ConspiracyCentral.net is gems like this (http://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/torrents-details.php?id=9733):

Umm, what about it?
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: freeAgent on September 07, 2009, 11:28:35 PM
Why I keep visiting ConspiracyCentral.net is gems like this (http://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/torrents-details.php?id=9733):

[youtube=425,350]Qt4kMxTPjXA[/youtube]

:lol:


Peace and love?  I guess he is missing the thumb...but whatever.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Ecolitan on September 07, 2009, 11:29:15 PM
He did the horn thing with his hand while it was in motion between peace signs.  It's not a stretch to think Penn might have a familiarity with the Church of Satan.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on July 21, 2010, 04:29:41 PM
The Criminal Justice episode of Bullshit! is going to be on tomorrow, and Radley Balko is a guest talking head.  Should be good. 
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: anarchir on July 24, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
Criminal Justice episode twas good. They dealt with how the court systems were flawed to convict as many people as they can.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Bill Brasky on July 24, 2010, 11:27:55 AM
I'm gonna have to BT that one.

Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on July 24, 2010, 11:46:27 AM
I'm gonna have to BT that one.


Me too.

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Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Bill Brasky on July 24, 2010, 12:26:43 PM
I'm gonna have to BT that one.


Me too.

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Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on July 24, 2010, 02:09:08 PM
I dug it, but really wish the shows were a full hour instead of just the half.  They covered a lot of topics in this one but barely scratched the surface with each of them.  And I felt like they could've gotten some better "law and order" talking heads....Lars Larson has been on at least a few times before and he doesn't actually say anything.  It would've been more effective to have someone who could be more specific than just barking about how criminals belong in prison. 

Balko was good (and dreamy, as always) but they should've let him talk about more-- such as no-knock raids, which are a specialty of his.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: freeAgent on July 24, 2010, 02:25:42 PM
I dug it, but really wish the shows were a full hour instead of just the half.  They covered a lot of topics in this one but barely scratched the surface with each of them.  And I felt like they could've gotten some better "law and order" talking heads....Lars Larson has been on at least a few times before and he doesn't actually say anything.  It would've been more effective to have someone who could be more specific than just barking about how criminals belong in prison. 

Balko was good (and dreamy, as always) but they should've let him talk about more-- such as no-knock raids, which are a specialty of his.

Yeah, that's a big issue I've found with the show.  They just don't have enough time in the half-hour slot to fit everything.  That said, I didn't notice that as much in the earlier seasons.  As much as I like the show, I don't think its quality recently has matched the earlier stuff.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Andy on July 24, 2010, 04:40:53 PM


Balko was good (and dreamy, as always) but they should've let him talk about more-- such as no-knock raids, which are a specialty of his.

That's the first time I've ever heard him described as "Dreamy" ... really not sure what to make of that.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on July 24, 2010, 05:19:14 PM


Balko was good (and dreamy, as always) but they should've let him talk about more-- such as no-knock raids, which are a specialty of his.

That's the first time I've ever heard him described as "Dreamy" ... really not sure what to make of that.
I LOL'd.
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Alex Libman on July 24, 2010, 06:27:13 PM
Hey, hey, this is the Season 7 thread!  I've made a different thread for Season 8 (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30519)!


BTW: s/conspiracycentral\.net/concen.org/ in above link (http://tracker.concen.org/torrents-details.php?id=9733).
Title: Re: Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 7
Post by: Rillion on July 24, 2010, 07:03:04 PM
That's the first time I've ever heard him described as "Dreamy" ... really not sure what to make of that.

I've had a long-standing crush on Radley Balko.  That he is good-looking as well as only a little older than me is icing on the Kickass Libertarian cake. 

Which means, according to the "have you met your heroes" thread, that I should never actually meet him in person.