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Title: Ostracism
Post by: BonerJoe on August 18, 2011, 09:26:08 PM
I've come to the conclusion that it's ineffective.

My experience in NH among liberty people is that even with compelling information of force or fraud by the named party being presented, they still will choose to associate with them.

Practical. Real. World. Experience.

Even with Anarchists!
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 18, 2011, 10:17:52 PM
I'm sorry to interject twice on the topic, Jay.  But my experience tells me the same thing.  Individualism prevails. 

It depends on the individual who's being shunned, and the one who's to do the shunning.

If the guy is charismatic, and the shunner is less-so, the magnetism of the dominant personality may exceed the ability to be refused. 

When I was a teen, I was among an eclectic crowd.  I could cross boarders pretty easily.  I could go from the heads to the jocks to the geeks, and had some good ties in each crowd. 

What I noticed in each group was pretty interesting.  There was a couple rats to be counted in each crew.  One guy had sticky fingers, another fought too easily, another couldn't be trusted among your chicks.

Yet, there they were.  I knew one guy, bold as brass, who carried himself almost like Bill Clinton.  Looked nothing like him, but he had a certain something that most people couldn't stay mad at, and he often did some pretty dastardly shit.  One time (he drove this little 80's junker Mustang) he slammed on his brakes and got rear-ended by another friend of mine who was driving his mom's Lexus.  On the way to a wedding.  Called the cops, they wrote in favor of the brake-slammer, who'd done it on purpose.  The Lexus dude was crying actual tears, and the front was all crushed up.  $275 for brake-lights.  He stole replacements from a junkyard. 

Fucked my girlfriend, I let him keep her, she was no good anyway.  To this day I'd still like to see him, I didn't hold a grudge.  I know what to expect. 

One day I scored a couple ounces and took him to my room to bag it up.  Had to piss, and left all the reefer in the process. 

I came back, and he was purposely sitting far away, as if to prove he didn't touch it.  He looked a little misty and said "You must really trust me", I said no, I have a scale.  These bags weigh.  I gave him a bud for being cool about it.  He tried, I knew he couldn't help himself sometimes.

The reason I kept him around was because he was fun.  He knew lots of weasels.  We had a lot of good times together.  But I never fully trusted him.  That would be stupid.





Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Fred on August 18, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
okay Bill Brasky - I've also had my share of friends that  were scary and unpredictable which is why I liked em.  Not all my friends or anything...  

Others were super paranoid, like buying a quarter oz one night, flushing it that same night and buying another the next night... boring, I know.  so that's it.

Why couldn't you cull the undefinitive ecig thread of personal shit and leave your other observations while learning about vaping intact man?

some of that shit was interesting and informative which is one reason i VISIT YU IN UR HOUSE MAN
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 18, 2011, 11:00:05 PM
Luckily for you Fred, I've retained about 95% of all the stuff in the e-cig thread. Its burned into my memory cells forever. Now we just have to find a way to download all the info in my brain onto a flash drive, I'll sell it to you for 4 bucks + the cost of the USB drive of course.

Thats a good price for all that info.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Fred on August 18, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
I'm gonna counter offer with a request that you selfishly post all you can remember at no cost to anyone for the good that it may do to our posterity...

selflessly
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 18, 2011, 11:15:31 PM
Look at the two words below my screen name.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 18, 2011, 11:18:24 PM


Why couldn't you cull the undefinitive ecig thread of personal shit and leave your other observations while learning about vaping intact man?

some of that shit was interesting and informative which is one reason i VISIT YU IN UR HOUSE MAN

Its not that big a deal, it went from kr808's to joye eGo-T. 

Think you can handle that?
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 18, 2011, 11:20:21 PM


Why couldn't you cull the undefinitive ecig thread of personal shit and leave your other observations while learning about vaping intact man?

some of that shit was interesting and informative which is one reason i VISIT YU IN UR HOUSE MAN

Its not that big a deal, it went from kr808's to joye eGo-T.  

Think you can handle that?


Im tryin to make a buck here.

Four of em, to be exact.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 19, 2011, 12:58:00 AM
Sorry.  Didn't mean to wear clown shoes to the heist of the century.

Speaking of bucks and ostracism, a friend of mine is not well.  So I cut my kits in half and gave him some batts and juices, and a 5-pak of 510xl's. 

Knowing that fucked me (my supply gunny was screamin for robbing his armory) I went ahead and ordered 2 kits (2batts each), a bunch of cones, 2 passthroughs, and a fuckton of 510xl's. 

I figured he'd take to it like a duck to water, cause he's a fairly creative guy.  He knows how to tie every knot ever, those bar tricks with the horseshoes and chains, things of that nature. 

I contact the dude, and zilcho.  Didn't like it.  The motherfucker sounds like he's drowning in his own lungs.  Still smoking.  Pretty pissed about it.  Not for me, but for him.  Y'know.  I tried.  (for some reason he can hold down cig smoke, but not vapor.  I gave him good juice.  I guess he's used to smoke - he coughs vapor every time)

On the way home, I lost my passthrough.  Then my one batt won't fit my charger, it's off by about a millimeter.  I have ONE batt, my shit comes tomorrow.  Had five, did a favor, now have one.  (plus the other one will fit one of the new chargers, and I'll get my shit back off the dude)

So I'll eventually use the stuff.  But I got deals on the kits.  39 bucks.  Passthrough for 20.  Cones for 3.  Lemme know if you want any.  Use that four bucks for shipping, we'll call it even. 

They are "Totally Wicked Tornados" which is the same as ego's.  The T-tanks fit.  But they come with a 510-style carto, and the hollow cone. 

Pix if yer interested - with my good camera, in sunlight.  All brand new in the box.  They didn't even arrive yet.  Comes tomorrow.  My used ones I keep, no bullshit.

If not, no biggie.  Thats the story of how I got eleven batteries.




Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 01:16:20 AM
Yeah,

If you really dont want em, like, its extra shit you dont really need, I'll unload some stuff off of you. Im gonna shoot you my info and we can figure out whats what.

Sorry bout the friend. That sucks. Cancer? Emphezema? Other incurable?
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 19, 2011, 01:35:19 AM
He's forty and hard chargin'.  Big man.

He smokes hard, drinks hard.  Known him for a lotta years.



Well, you could pick what you like within reason.  Prices as stated.

I'd say a kit, an extra cone, (cause it comes with one) and the passthrough if you like.  I'd recommend one if you don't have one.  Nice batt, its mini usb in the bottom and you just *pop* and walk away, long as any other batt. 

39+20+3  + 62?



Sound right? 

Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 01:42:33 AM
Yeah, the passthrough is probably something I should get, so I'll take one of those and all I've used so far is the cones that came with the ego-t so the different tank is also something I should try. 62 it is........... I'll pay shipping.

I sent you a message up there ^^^
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 19, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Yeah, the passthrough is probably something I should get, so I'll take one of those and all I've used so far is the cones that came with the ego-t so the different tank is also something I should try. 62 it is........... I'll pay shipping.

If you need a regular ego-T cone, I'll spare one if you need, but I'm shy on those.

The 510xl's are five to a box.  8 bux.  

You have to fill 'em with a weird little syringe in a certain way, but they last pretty long.

I'm sure they'll send a few needles with the kits.

The 510 cartos are wrapped neat. 



Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 01:56:06 AM

If you need a regular ego-T cone, I'll spare one if you need, but I'm shy on those.






When you say, regular ego-t cone, do you mean the full ones, or the gutted ones with no stuff inside that the 510xl's go into? If you mean the ones with the element and the filler that come with the original egoat, im good on those, so no, I wouldn't need that.

I used the alcohol treatment on em, and you know what? Worked like a charm. Almost the same hit as a fresh one.....barely noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 19, 2011, 01:58:14 AM
A carto should last about two days, then you pitch it.  (or,  save them)   I donno if you can clean them.

The reason I wanted the 510's is to re-wick my old ego cones.  I have a thread saved from somewhere else with expert photos explaining it.  

I'll hook ya up at a later date.  Since you need the wicks from the 510's anyway.


Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 02:03:15 AM
Hey im easy like sunday mornin', so whatever way you think is best as far as the 510's, thats cool. Im in no hurry for anything really. I have enough stuff lying around to last at least a month before even thinking about ordering.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 19, 2011, 02:29:46 AM
These xl cartos hold about 2 ml. 

Sometimes the design gets a little weird and starts gurgling.  I'm pretty sure its occasional.  I've had successful individual cartos, and someimes you get one that is just a dullard. 

I've only been through a pack or so, in the last two weeks.  They last.  I might be being too cheap with 'em.  But they should last two days, for fucks sake.

I try to be a little thrifty about it.  In the last half a day, it starts to taste pretty bluh.  (Gotta finish your juice!.)

But they're a nice alternative.  You'll either think they're okay, or you'll absolutely hate 'em. 

Thats why I don't wanna send a real lot of those.  2 - 3, should last a month.


Have you tried dripping yet?




Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: alaric89 on August 19, 2011, 03:13:08 AM
Partially agree with the O.P.. I would like to pin down what charisma is someday. It is a destructive phenomenon. Serial killers often have it in spades. I have broken it down to two types is all, there seems to be the "too cute and harmless" looking to deal with type, and the cool type. Both can be very dangerous. I don't know if charisma has ever been studied, but I try and educate people I am responsible for to look at what is really there and try not to be blinded by it. Also should note, charismatic people either don't like people immune to their bullshit or are best friends with them. Point being they fear or respect them.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 03:35:46 AM

Have you tried dripping yet?


No, itd be a brand new thing for me. I want to try it, but to be honest, I dont think it will be "my thing" simply because I like to just grab and go. Kinda like the real thing.

But who knows, I've been wrong about things before that I haven't tried. Might just be something I like alot after I get used to it.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Bill Brasky on August 19, 2011, 04:55:11 AM
Arite, now the threads all tangled up.


Sorry BJ, didn't mean to derail your thread, seriously didn't.



I'm gonna answer one thing.






Dripping is like having an important scientific instrument.  Sometimes you wanna taste a flavor, and see what it really tastes like. 

Its the vape version of having a bong.




I don't know why I've never seen anyone say that before.

But thats what it is.




And you have to eiher love it, or want to experiment with it.   A flavor, I mean. 

I vaped a 306 lr of that mahallo, it was good man. 



Then go figure, I haven't dripped in a month.  So it's not like you have to sit around like the king of Persia dripping all day onto a hookah of virgin's pubes.  But come to think it it, I think I'd like that.



Some people will only drip, y'know.  Them types.  Vapemasters.


Some people keep dripping instruments to buy the tiny tiny bottle, if they're trying out a new avenue.  I know I hate buying a whole ounce of something that sucks.



But dude, Geoffs 'wolfman' on a drip is ridiculous.  As good as you think it tastes, you don't know half of it. 

I honestly don't know why it makes such a big difference, but it does.



They're only a couple bucks, but they fry quick.  They get gunky after a long night of improbable and grotesque mischief.

Then I throw 'em in an ashtray.  And there they are, mocking me.

 



.

Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Level 20 Anklebiter on August 19, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
Ostracism only works when the social norms are your side, otherwise you look dumb for doing it.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: John Shaw on August 19, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
My only beef with ostracism in the liberty type people community is when people declare it openly, like an announcement.

"I AM NOW SOCIALLY OSTRACIZING ROBERT PEAHAMMER JONES FOR SHITTING ON MY WIFE"S BEGONIAS, APRIL 19, 2012."

Looks silly.

Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 12:24:58 PM
Yeah, very silly.

If you have a beef with someone, just dont talk to them anymore. Dont be a drama queen about it, as if the fact that you dont want to associate with that person really means shit to anyone else. Makes em look like they are full of themselves.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Osborne on August 19, 2011, 12:32:06 PM
People use this word alot. I do not think it means what they think it means.

Seems that "shun" is the appropriate term for what you see people doing today.

Shunning is something a single person can do. Ostracizing is something that every individual in a community does together.

I shun a few folks, BonerJoe, to the point that I will not patronize establishments where those folks are welcome.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: BonerJoe on August 19, 2011, 12:32:15 PM
as if the fact that you dont want to associate with that person really means shit to anyone else.

It really doesn't.

You can inform a person about what someone did. Then they will still associate with them. Then later on down the road will bitch about how this person is pulling the same exact shit with them. Meanwhile, they continue to tolerate it and bitch about the shit they continue to do. Hellloooooooooooo!?
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: BonerJoe on August 19, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Shunning is something a single person can do. Ostracizing is something that every individual in a community does together.

But in the Amish, shunning is a community thing!

Confusing. Anyway, we both know what each other is talking about. I guess.

Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Osborne on August 19, 2011, 12:40:07 PM
Shunning is something a single person can do. Ostracizing is something that every individual in a community does together.

But in the Amish, shunning is a community thing!

Confusing. Anyway, we both know what each other is talking about. I guess.



I hear you, but that is more like an inside lingo use of the word, rather than the general definition.

On that same note, I guess the "Shire" folk can have their own thing that they call ostracism if they want.
Title: Re: Ostracism
Post by: Turd Ferguson on August 19, 2011, 01:24:19 PM


You can inform a person about what someone did. Then they will still associate with them. Then later on down the road will bitch about how this person is pulling the same exact shit with them. Meanwhile, they continue to tolerate it and bitch about the shit they continue to do. Hellloooooooooooo!?

Funny,

In four sentences you pretty much summed up about 99% of the people who vote in this country.