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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2009, 06:16:44 AM »

if that were the case, there'd be a whole lotta-more malpractice cases & a whole lotta-less doctors
don't be so fucking naive

Don't you be so naive.  Under the Patriot Act vaccine manufactures and doctors are immune from prosecution or civil lawsuits concerning the manufacture of administration of vaccines.  So when doctors and nurses start refusing to take a vaccine it is because they are aware if they or a family member are one of the unlucky few who are permanently damaged or killed there is virtually no legal recourse.

But it seems that level immunity wasn't enough the health department granted another level of immunity.
http://southeastern-massachusetts.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-get-immunity-.aspx?googleid=267416
Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, signed a document last month that gives vaccine makers and federal officials immunity from lawsuits that might arise surrounding any new swine flu vaccine. The Boston Globe reported last week that the immunity sought by drug manufacturers was spurred on by vaccines created for the last swine flu outbreak and the resulting thousands of lawsuits filed against those vaccine makers for side effects suffered from the shots.

The document signed by Secretary Sebelius allows for a compensation fund, if needed, for claims made against the drug manufacturers. The government has taken these steps in order to encourage drug companies to actually make the vaccine and so far, five manufacturers have contracted with federal officials to make a swine flu vaccine.


Lets make this very clear for the thick headed people who worship the government.  If you or a family member has an adverse reaction to the swine flu vaccine which by the way includes mercury.  It will be too bad too sad for you because the argument is the greater good.  To receive any sort of compensation for your injured child you will have to go before the federal vaccine court who will have to rule against their own interest to give you compensation.  You will have to use federal experts to agree that your child was injured and that too will be against the governments interest to do so.  And using that information your medical insurance will refuse to pay for your child's medical bills that they will claim have been proven to be unsubstantiated by the vaccine court.  Your final line of any sort of assistance for a vaccine injured child will be social security disability but if your family owns more than 4 thousand dollars in assets other than a family home too bad too sad for you cause you won't qualify for that either.  If you are against socialized medicine why don't you apply that same logic to the federal vaccine court and injury/disability compensation programs set up by the government.   
 
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2009, 07:28:15 AM »

There's two different questions here that should not be mixed:

1. Whether it is OK for gooberment to force medical treatments, preventative or reactive, on people.

2. Whether your paranoid conspiracy bullshit crap ass idiot ideas about evil vaccines are true.

The answers are:

1. No.

2. No!
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2009, 07:30:31 AM »

And BTW:

My son got his first vaccinations on Monday, the evil autism fairy has not yet come by.

And no, I will not take the swine flu vaccine. It's not dangerous, but it's not necessary. It's the damn flu.
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2009, 08:48:07 AM »

if that were the case, there'd be a whole lotta-more malpractice cases & a whole lotta-less doctors
don't be so fucking naive

Don't you be so naive.  Under the Patriot Act vaccine manufactures and doctors are immune from prosecution or civil lawsuits concerning the manufacture of administration of vaccines.  So when doctors and nurses start refusing to take a vaccine it is because they are aware if they or a family member are one of the unlucky few who are permanently damaged or killed there is virtually no legal recourse.

But it seems that level immunity wasn't enough the health department granted another level of immunity.
http://southeastern-massachusetts.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-get-immunity-.aspx?googleid=267416
Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, signed a document last month that gives vaccine makers and federal officials immunity from lawsuits that might arise surrounding any new swine flu vaccine. The Boston Globe reported last week that the immunity sought by drug manufacturers was spurred on by vaccines created for the last swine flu outbreak and the resulting thousands of lawsuits filed against those vaccine makers for side effects suffered from the shots.

The document signed by Secretary Sebelius allows for a compensation fund, if needed, for claims made against the drug manufacturers. The government has taken these steps in order to encourage drug companies to actually make the vaccine and so far, five manufacturers have contracted with federal officials to make a swine flu vaccine.


Lets make this very clear for the thick headed people who worship the government.  If you or a family member has an adverse reaction to the swine flu vaccine which by the way includes mercury.  It will be too bad too sad for you because the argument is the greater good.  To receive any sort of compensation for your injured child you will have to go before the federal vaccine court who will have to rule against their own interest to give you compensation.  You will have to use federal experts to agree that your child was injured and that too will be against the governments interest to do so.  And using that information your medical insurance will refuse to pay for your child's medical bills that they will claim have been proven to be unsubstantiated by the vaccine court.  Your final line of any sort of assistance for a vaccine injured child will be social security disability but if your family owns more than 4 thousand dollars in assets other than a family home too bad too sad for you cause you won't qualify for that either.  If you are against socialized medicine why don't you apply that same logic to the federal vaccine court and injury/disability compensation programs set up by the government.   
 


.....yes....& ''they'' implant microchips in your brain, when ''they'' give you the vaccine.....
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2009, 09:33:03 AM »

And BTW:

My son got his first vaccinations on Monday, the evil autism fairy has not yet come by.

And no, I will not take the swine flu vaccine. It's not dangerous, but it's not necessary. It's the damn flu.

Why not don't you want him to be protected?  Doesn't your son need a dose of thimerosal.  Won't you be so angry if he catches the flu and dies.  You must run out and get him that vaccine right now.  The fact that you are not getting him this vaccine proves you don't believe what you write.  You do not see the vaccine as safe.   And any bullshit argument about it is just the flu is just that bullshit.  If you thought that the vaccine was safe you would get your son vaccinated. 
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2009, 10:44:50 AM »

And BTW:

My son got his first vaccinations on Monday, the evil autism fairy has not yet come by.

And no, I will not take the swine flu vaccine. It's not dangerous, but it's not necessary. It's the damn flu.

Why not don't you want him to be protected?  Doesn't your son need a dose of thimerosal.  Won't you be so angry if he catches the flu and dies.  You must run out and get him that vaccine right now.  The fact that you are not getting him this vaccine proves you don't believe what you write.  You do not see the vaccine as safe.   And any bullshit argument about it is just the flu is just that bullshit.  If you thought that the vaccine was safe you would get your son vaccinated. 

I know that what's real and what's not does not matter too much to kooks like you, but I'll answer you anyway for the benefit of other people reading this.

I would not be able to have my kid vaccinated if I had wanted to, because the vaccine is not given to infants younger than six months. The reason for that is that they are more at risk of flu complications, and flu vaccines actually cause the flu or flulike symptoms in some cases. It has nothing to do with thiomersal, autism or any other kooky conspiracy theories.
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2009, 01:58:46 PM »

Waa waa waa followed by some name calling.

NEW FLASH never said all vaccines are bad.  I am saying that some vaccines need some serious study in their possible contributor nature to autism.  And that of the studies done to date.  They are seriously flawed and show major signs of statistical manipulation to achieve desired results. (IE: The four drafts of the CDC 2000 report, each draft changing the subject population variable until the rate of autism diminished to insignificance.)  

No study to date has been done on the effects of fetal mercury exposure and weakened immune response.  Mercury exposure which could cause babies to be more at risk for vaccine injury.   And vaccines are only one of many sources of mercury and in all likelihood the mercury connection is due to cumulative exposure to both mother and baby.  

For the moron who is going to say but they removed thimerosal from vaccines in 1999.  Please refer to the FDA website for a list of ingredients in current vaccines.  Not all vaccines are thimerosal free.  Realize it was a recommendation not a mandate from the CDC to remove thimerosal and inventories of existing vaccine were never recalled.   Again my point is vaccines aren't the only source.

Products containing ethyl mercury thiosalicylic acid as a preservative:
Antitoxins
Cosmetics, including makeup removers, mascara, and eye moisturizers
Desensitizing solutions
Ear, eye, and nose drops
Eye ointments
Mercurochrome
Merthiolate topical antiseptic
soap free cleaners
Some contact lens solutions
topical medicated sprays
Tuberculin tests
Vaccines
RH neg factor injections

Other sources or environmental mercury:
Adhesives
Air conditioner filters
Amalgams (will leach more mercury with the use of teeth whitening products)
Auto exhaust
Batteries
Bleached flour
Calomel (talc, body powders)
Cinnabar
Drinking water either pollution contamination or from plumbing and piping
Fabric softeners
Felt
Floor waxes and polishes
florescent light bulbs if broken
Laxatives
Paint pigments and solvents
Pesticides (Major source of water contamination due to runoff)
Processed foods
Thermostats in older homes if broken during removal
Vegetables and fruits exposed to pesticides
Wood preservatives

I suppose some of you will look on packaging and say the package doesn't list ethylmercury.  
It usually won't there are other names for etylmercury:
Sodium ethymercurithiosalicylate
Mercurothiolate
Merzonin
Mertorgan
Merfamin
Ethyl (2-mercaptobenzoato-S) mercury sodium salt
Thiomersalate
Thiomersalan
[(o-carboxyphenyl)thio] Ethylmercury sodium salt

This is a list of several states' laws concerning mercury content in products.  
http://www.newmoa.org/prevention/mercury/imerc/plnotification.cfm

Stop lying an trying to say that I am buying into some conspiracy.  I contend it is an accumulation of various mercury contaminates effecting some babies during early development that makes them more likely to have an adverse vaccine reactions to some vaccines.  Not all women have equal exposure rates and not all women have equal rates of metabolizing or detoxifying their bodies and this is why fetuses are effected differently.  The one size fits all approach doesn't work for vaccines anymore than government schools.





 
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2009, 02:35:00 PM »

And BTW:

My son got his first vaccinations on Monday, the evil autism fairy has not yet come by.

And no, I will not take the swine flu vaccine. It's not dangerous, but it's not necessary. It's the damn flu.
This is pretty much it.  Glad to hear people taking responsibility for protecting their children.
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2009, 06:26:39 PM »

obviously you ain't gonna live in no plastic bubble but you can consider the things you ingest or do to your own body and figure out what you are or aren't comfortable with doing. It's always worth considering. How would the free market react if people were opting for healthier products?
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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2009, 07:35:32 PM »

obviously you ain't gonna live in no plastic bubble but you can consider the things you ingest or do to your own body and figure out what you are or aren't comfortable with doing. It's always worth considering. How would the free market react if people were opting for healthier products?

People just don't seem to be aware of how much mercury is in the environment.  It isn't a conspiracy.  It is a bunch of different manufactures looking for the cheapest way to preserve their products so they can be competitive in the market place.   All an individual consumer can do is search for ways to minimize their own personal exposure.  This goes doubly for a pregnant woman or a woman looking to get pregnant.   

There are many things which can limit your exposure.  I doubt anyone could totally avoid mercury.  I would think Libertarians understand that it is an issue of personal responsibility. 

Don't live in a home next to a hwy.  And try to not get caught in heavy traffic as much as possible.
If you have dental amalgams and can't get them removed consider getting a grindguard for sleeping and avoid whitening toothpaste and products.  Also if you are an ice cruncher stop it. 
Don't eat fish choose flax oil or hemp oil for omega 3 source
Purchase organic fruits and veg
Don't handle broken florescent bulbs (that is what men are for.) 
Get spring water for drinking, least contaminated.  Scientist are working on ways to eliminate mercury from water supplies http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090517143341.htm Currently there is no economical home water filtration which will eliminate mercury. 
Select products which don't have mercury listed as an ingredient opt for the non-mercury version or substitute.  Usually there is another choice available. 
Batteries get non-mercury ones.  Manufactures have voluntarily started removing mercury.  They hope all batteries will be mercury free by 2011. 
Don't take or inject medical products to include some vaccines which contain Thimerosal especially if you are pregnant. 

The alternative is to have Government handle it, like they did with lead and ddt pollution, by banning the use of mercury in most products if not all products.   

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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2009, 07:37:20 PM »

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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2009, 07:48:22 PM »

no that i do, but is listening to freddy mercury bad for you?
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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2009, 07:55:34 PM »

Uh yea I like my seafood every now and then. Maybe one day they can figure out how to extract mercury from them but it's a rare dish for me anyway.
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2009, 09:34:35 AM »

It's not dangerous, but it's not necessary. It's the damn flu.

All live virus vaccines are a little dangerous.  Last time there was a push for swine flu vaccinations more died from the vaccination than the flu.  Sure only a dozen out of millions that got vaccination died and that is pretty good odds but only one person died from the swine flu.
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Re: One third of doctors do not want swine flu vaccination
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2009, 12:45:17 AM »

It's not dangerous, but it's not necessary. It's the damn flu.

All live virus vaccines are a little dangerous.  Last time there was a push for swine flu vaccinations more died from the vaccination than the flu.  Sure only a dozen out of millions that got vaccination died and that is pretty good odds but only one person died from the swine flu.


flu is a dead virus vaccine in shot form.  the intranasal form is a live attenuated virus.  there are no proposed adjuvants (sqaulene, etc) in the vaccine.  if thimerosol scares you, you can opt for thimerosol-free varieties (single doses instead of multidose vials).  there have already been more than 500 deaths from swine flu, about the same number of cases of guillian barre (not deaths) possibly attributed to the original vaccination.  this flu is no more deadly than seasonal flu, and the vaccine is going to be done the same way as the regular flu vaccine.  really should not be a big deal, but govt and conspiracy folks love a crisis. 
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