OHSNAP. Atlas Shrugged Trailer -

[LTKoblinsky]

Typical Alternet ad hom.  My mother sent me a bunch of their bullshit about the "Evil" Koch Brothers.

Agreed, Alternet can have some shit articles.  The Koch Brothers are shit heads though; they're government welfare queens pretending they're free marketers.

Please elaborate and/or substantiate...not being combative; I really want to know.

Koch and Rothbard once worked together, but had a falling out. Now, the two camps (anarchy and minarchy) are feuding.

[Shadowtheweak]

Remember when I said this?

$1,775,800 for opening weekend, give or take, obviously.

From Box Office Mojo -

"Atlas Shrugged: Part I was the top-grossing limited release of the weekend, generating an estimated $1.7 million at 300 single-screen locations. "*

Now, let's everyone kiss my ass.

@Shadowtheweak - This means a near guarantee that they'll make a profit. You'll see the rest. Also, you are incorrect about the budget. Again.

How does it feel to be so. Wrong?


*Edit - The rest of the article was a hit piece, of course.

Na bro i'm actually right about the budget.  1.7 million is nothing for an opening weekend

[Shadowtheweak]

Typical Alternet ad hom.  My mother sent me a bunch of their bullshit about the "Evil" Koch Brothers.

Agreed, Alternet can have some shit articles.  The Koch Brothers are shit heads though; they're government welfare queens pretending they're free marketers.

Please elaborate and/or substantiate...not being combative; I really want to know.

Well there is a lot to go on here but for starters:

• They indoctrinate their own corporate lobbyist through George Mason University (which they highly fund)
  The Koch Industry' core business operations involve some of the most heavily subsidized industries in America, including oil, ethanol, agribusiness and logging
  Their family fortune was started through an oil subsidy under Stalin
  They lease federal land for free for their agribusiness operations, log public forests for private gain and have taxpayers cover the operating costs, and routinely use the government’s power of eminent domain to force landowners to sell land to Koch Industries’ various oil and gas pipeline subsidiaries for pennies on the dollar
  They've been given repeated record environmental fines and fund politicians to pass laws in their favor
  Walker has given them a no-bid contract on Wisconsin's state-owned power plants
  

[LTKoblinsky]

Much of that is unsubstantiated sensationalism. GMU is one of the premier economic schools in the world and private funding is never a bad thing. Also a funny thing to indict a company because they operate in a subsidized industry. The same things could have been said about Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Hill; all great men. I don't have any knowledge of eminent domain abuse or other nonsense, so I can't refute that, but I've already left your scathing diatribe much diminished.

[John Shaw]

Remember when I said this?

$1,775,800 for opening weekend, give or take, obviously.

From Box Office Mojo -

"Atlas Shrugged: Part I was the top-grossing limited release of the weekend, generating an estimated $1.7 million at 300 single-screen locations. "*

Now, let's everyone kiss my ass.

@Shadowtheweak - This means a near guarantee that they'll make a profit. You'll see the rest. Also, you are incorrect about the budget. Again.

How does it feel to be so. Wrong?


*Edit - The rest of the article was a hit piece, of course.

Na bro i'm actually right about the budget.  1.7 million is nothing for an opening weekend

Please STFU and read my whole post. You are starting to look like a fool.

Per theater ticket numbers were #3 for the weekend, and they are at 1000 theaters for next weekend.

That's a 700 theater gain in one week.

Please stop talking to the movie director and producer about how you know more about making and distributing movies than a movie director/producer. You are wrong.

Atlas Shrugged numbers for Friday - $683,000 with $2277 bux per theater showing.

The big opener was RIO at 10 million with $2666 per theater.

Scream 4 pulled $8,000,000 with $2,421 per theater.


On a per theater basis, AS opened at number three. Whether that would scale up for more theaters is unknowable, but that's a respectable pull.

By studio style projections (VERY ACCURATE) you drop twenty odd percent for your Saturday and Sunday, and you get:

$1,775,800 for opening weekend, give or take, obviously.

Not horrible.

Sustainable? Can't say. Usually second week is half of first week*, unless you get a wider release. Doing $2277 per theater with a 300 theater opening is pretty close to buying a bigger release. Can't say yet.

We'll see how close I am on Monday.

*That means that if nothing changes next week, theater wise, they'll make $887,900ish

<<<Doesn't talk movies from the business end very often because he knows it's boring to most people, but knows the fuckin' biz yo.

The producers are happy with their numbers calling B.O. preformance "The high range of our expectations."

They're gonna be just fine.

Now quit ya yappin'.

For the record, I'm guessing that you are... Under 25. That's about the right age to think you know everything about everything at the expense of educating yourself.

[Fred]

nuttin to say-

[John Shaw]

nuttin to say-

I'm just sayin' is all.

[Turd Ferguson]

Time will tell

Then Shaw can have last laugh.

Or not.

But probably, yeah.

[Turd Ferguson]

Was that kinda like Haiku?

[Cognitive Dissident]

Much of that is unsubstantiated sensationalism. GMU is one of the premier economic schools in the world and private funding is never a bad thing. Also a funny thing to indict a company because they operate in a subsidized industry. The same things could have been said about Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Hill; all great men. I don't have any knowledge of eminent domain abuse or other nonsense, so I can't refute that, but I've already left your scathing diatribe much diminished.

Yeah...It did sorta sound like the lefty claims, and with them, most of it is selective...stuff they like in solar and wind (subsidies) is evil in other industries (oil) whereas, I'll bet the Koch attitude is that they don't make the rules, they just compete in the current environment (something we all struggle with) and they'd prefer a truly free market.  That's the feeling I get anyway.  The eminent domain thing may be interesting, if there's actually anything to it.  Same goes for the environmental claims.

[LTKoblinsky]

Much of that is unsubstantiated sensationalism. GMU is one of the premier economic schools in the world and private funding is never a bad thing. Also a funny thing to indict a company because they operate in a subsidized industry. The same things could have been said about Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Hill; all great men. I don't have any knowledge of eminent domain abuse or other nonsense, so I can't refute that, but I've already left your scathing diatribe much diminished.

Yeah...It did sorta sound like the lefty claims, and with them, most of it is selective...stuff they like in solar and wind (subsidies) is evil in other industries (oil) whereas, I'll bet the Koch attitude is that they don't make the rules, they just compete in the current environment (something we all struggle with) and they'd prefer a truly free market.  That's the feeling I get anyway.  The eminent domain thing may be interesting, if there's actually anything to it.  Same goes for the environmental claims.

It's like saying I'm not a real libertarian because I'm married and the state gives me tax breaks for it. I can't help it the government wants to steal $600 or so less of my money.

[velojym]

Much of that is unsubstantiated sensationalism. GMU is one of the premier economic schools in the world and private funding is never a bad thing. Also a funny thing to indict a company because they operate in a subsidized industry. The same things could have been said about Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Hill; all great men. I don't have any knowledge of eminent domain abuse or other nonsense, so I can't refute that, but I've already left your scathing diatribe much diminished.

Yeah...It did sorta sound like the lefty claims, and with them, most of it is selective...stuff they like in solar and wind (subsidies) is evil in other industries (oil) whereas, I'll bet the Koch attitude is that they don't make the rules, they just compete in the current environment (something we all struggle with) and they'd prefer a truly free market.  That's the feeling I get anyway.  The eminent domain thing may be interesting, if there's actually anything to it.  Same goes for the environmental claims.

It's like saying I'm not a real libertarian because I'm married and the state gives me tax breaks for it. I can't help it the government wants to steal $600 or so less of my money.

You could go far with marriage as an argument. Some would claim marriage is a surrender of your 'self' in order to serve a small (and by giving the "institution" to the government to govern... a large) collective. I am married, too.
My "self" really wanted to stick with my wife, for my own reasons, and her condition for that to happen involved the marital contract. So, I entered into the arrangement with her knowing full well what it meant. Sure, I've suffered in some ways, but I've thrived in others. Whether the government decides to steal a little less due to this is not really in my control, and I'll readily take back even a small portion of what they took. To believe it's a form of welfare, you have to believe what they tell you about tax refunds being an "expense" that the government somehow is "paying" to you. No. It was mine in the first place.
Now... if I'd been getting the "earned" income credit or the like... yeah, that's welfare.

[LTKoblinsky]

Much of that is unsubstantiated sensationalism. GMU is one of the premier economic schools in the world and private funding is never a bad thing. Also a funny thing to indict a company because they operate in a subsidized industry. The same things could have been said about Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, and Hill; all great men. I don't have any knowledge of eminent domain abuse or other nonsense, so I can't refute that, but I've already left your scathing diatribe much diminished.

Yeah...It did sorta sound like the lefty claims, and with them, most of it is selective...stuff they like in solar and wind (subsidies) is evil in other industries (oil) whereas, I'll bet the Koch attitude is that they don't make the rules, they just compete in the current environment (something we all struggle with) and they'd prefer a truly free market.  That's the feeling I get anyway.  The eminent domain thing may be interesting, if there's actually anything to it.  Same goes for the environmental claims.

It's like saying I'm not a real libertarian because I'm married and the state gives me tax breaks for it. I can't help it the government wants to steal $600 or so less of my money.

You could go far with marriage as an argument. Some would claim marriage is a surrender of your 'self' in order to serve a small (and by giving the "institution" to the government to govern... a large) collective. I am married, too.
My "self" really wanted to stick with my wife, for my own reasons, and her condition for that to happen involved the marital contract. So, I entered into the arrangement with her knowing full well what it meant. Sure, I've suffered in some ways, but I've thrived in others. Whether the government decides to steal a little less due to this is not really in my control, and I'll readily take back even a small portion of what they took. To believe it's a form of welfare, you have to believe what they tell you about tax refunds being an "expense" that the government somehow is "paying" to you. No. It was mine in the first place.
Now... if I'd been getting the "earned" income credit or the like... yeah, that's welfare.

I haven't given up my "self." I have simply added a partner to my daily life. My wife and I tag-team everything with the efficiency of the socialist ideal, but only because we recognize each other's individuality and ability to think for ourselves.  Just wanted to put that out there.   The point  of all of this is, though: The government has its fingers in a lot of pies. Happening to be one of those pies is statistically likely, especially when you're largest privately owned company in the world.

[AbstractVagabond]

No, this isn't libertarian PotC. First, production value was way lower in this movie than PotC. Second, there are some good aspects of this movie. Third, all art has some kind of message, but I think you're referring to being beaten over the head with cliches, tired platitudes, and dogmatic assertion.

Well, beaten over the head with a soapbox. Any form of art that sacrifices art for message becomes a disgrace to art. Not to say that this movie is like that, but that's what my impression is given how the real rabid Rand fans praise the movie the same way real rabid Christians praised PotC. "Forget how well the movie really was, it's pushing our agenda. Over 9000 stars." I will concede that AS is unlike PotC in that AS isn't a snuff film. However, when the message is the only thing praised, quality be damned, the comparison is valid.

[LTKoblinsky]

No, this isn't libertarian PotC. First, production value was way lower in this movie than PotC. Second, there are some good aspects of this movie. Third, all art has some kind of message, but I think you're referring to being beaten over the head with cliches, tired platitudes, and dogmatic assertion.

Well, beaten over the head with a soapbox. Any form of art that sacrifices art for message becomes a disgrace to art. Not to say that this movie is like that, but that's what my impression is given how the real rabid Rand fans praise the movie the same way real rabid Christians praised PotC. "Forget how well the movie really was, it's pushing our agenda. Over 9000 stars." I will concede that AS is unlike PotC in that AS isn't a snuff film. However, when the message is the only thing praised, quality be damned, the comparison is valid.

OK, so the biggest fans will like it no matter what anybody says? Doesn't any form of art have that contingent? I've mainly seen, "good movie, but the (insert issue here) wasn't so good."