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Nukes in NC -- this is scary
« on: December 07, 2009, 10:09:53 PM »

Here's something I never knew..  in 1961, a bomber broke up over the town of Faro, NC, and it dropped two nukes.  One was found only 18 inches in the ground, thanks to its parachute, but the other..  Parachute failed to open, and after digging 50 feet down in a bean field, was still not recovered.  The US military thinks that is 150feet underground, and it is still there to this day!

Apparently the accident activated all but one of the activation "switches".  Southeast NC was extremely close to being liquidated by a 2.4 - 24 megaton nuke (Accounts differ to the actual size... like it matters.)

http://www.ibiblio.org/bomb/index.html

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Re: Nukes in NC -- this is scary
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 11:13:05 PM »

There are a bunch of nukes, and some chemical weapons lying around.

Between us and the Russians, there are what I would estimate to be at least 40 nuclear missiles at the bottom of the oceans from sunken nuclear submarines.
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Re: Nukes in NC -- this is scary
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 11:54:22 PM »

Its pretty funny that a retired Air Force Colonel doesn't know the terminal velocity of falling ordinance. 
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Re: Nukes in NC -- this is scary
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 01:47:48 AM »

this makes me feel good about going home to NC when we leave here..........
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Re: Nukes in NC -- this is scary
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 04:18:13 AM »

Nuclear weapons is something that only a government would want to build and maintain.  What free market entity would spend so many billions of dollars on something so useless and that would cause it to be so universally feared, hated, and ostracised?
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 08:11:57 AM »

... and it will be blamed on terrorists (like us) ...

... and it will be used as an excuse to grow the strength of government (again) ...

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 09:21:08 AM »

... and it will be blamed on terrorists (like us Klinton, Shrub, and the Obamanator) ...

FTFY...

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 09:31:30 AM »

Apparently the accident activated all but one of the activation "switches".  Southeast NC was extremely close to being liquidated by a 2.4 - 24 megaton nuke (Accounts differ to the actual size... like it matters.)

Not really. Nuclear bombs don't work that way. They don't go off by impact, like a conventional bomb. In fact, if anything unexpected happens, the thing probably won't fire at all. Oh, the triggering explosive might have gone off, scattering radioactive material around (although, being buried, even this is improbably.) But, it's extremely unlikely that a nuclear explosion would result. It would be as though you dropped a refrigerator from high up and then expected it to still work.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 09:33:03 AM »

Apparently the accident activated all but one of the activation "switches".  Southeast NC was extremely close to being liquidated by a 2.4 - 24 megaton nuke (Accounts differ to the actual size... like it matters.)

Not really. Nuclear bombs don't work that way. They don't go off by impact, like a conventional bomb. In fact, if anything unexpected happens, the thing probably won't fire at all. Oh, the triggering explosive might have gone off, scattering radioactive material around (although, being buried, even this is improbably.) But, it's extremely unlikely that a nuclear explosion would result. It would be as though you dropped a refrigerator from high up and then expected it to still work.


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Re: Nukes in NC -- this is scary
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 12:11:40 PM »

Apparently the accident activated all but one of the activation "switches".  Southeast NC was extremely close to being liquidated by a 2.4 - 24 megaton nuke (Accounts differ to the actual size... like it matters.)

Not really. Nuclear bombs don't work that way. They don't go off by impact, like a conventional bomb. In fact, if anything unexpected happens, the thing probably won't fire at all. Oh, the triggering explosive might have gone off, scattering radioactive material around (although, being buried, even this is improbably.) But, it's extremely unlikely that a nuclear explosion would result. It would be as though you dropped a refrigerator from high up and then expected it to still work.



It might work on the way down until just before impact.  I would think it could, at least in part, be salvaged once it landed.  Is there no way a nuke might be set off without the will of a regional warlord who is supposedly in possession/control of one?  I would assume that it could be hijacked, or malfunction in some other way, causing it to go off.  I'd hope there are safety measures for arming one that are extensive, and redundant, but saying it couldn't happen sounds incorrect to me.  I assume there are many who had faith in the aircrafts ability to not drop it unintentionally.  I realize it's likely a lot more complicated then that, but shit happens.  I can see how one might not laugh off concern over the state mishandling devastating weapons, such as a nuke, no matter how improbable.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 12:29:25 PM »

Apparently the accident activated all but one of the activation "switches".  Southeast NC was extremely close to being liquidated by a 2.4 - 24 megaton nuke (Accounts differ to the actual size... like it matters.)

Not really. Nuclear bombs don't work that way. They don't go off by impact, like a conventional bomb. In fact, if anything unexpected happens, the thing probably won't fire at all. Oh, the triggering explosive might have gone off, scattering radioactive material around (although, being buried, even this is improbably.) But, it's extremely unlikely that a nuclear explosion would result. It would be as though you dropped a refrigerator from high up and then expected it to still work.



It might work on the way down until just before impact.  I would think it could, at least in part, be salvaged once it landed.  Is there no way a nuke might be set off without the will of a regional warlord who is supposedly in possession/control of one?  I would assume that it could be hijacked, or malfunction in some other way, causing it to go off.  I'd hope there are safety measures for arming one that are extensive, and redundant, but saying it couldn't happen sounds incorrect to me.  I assume there are many who had faith in the aircrafts ability to not drop it unintentionally.  I realize it's likely a lot more complicated then that, but shit happens.  I can see how one might not laugh off concern over the state mishandling devastating weapons, such as a nuke, no matter how improbable.

Nukes, especially fusion weapons (particularly those made prior to the Eighties or so) required constant maintenance. They went "sour" after awhile. The fissionable material might still be viable (although any fusion-able material would go bad with time), but the device almost certainly wouldn't work "as built."

In any case, the Air Force maintains that these were test weapons, intended for drill only, and contained no nuclear material. Of course, that could be a lie. But, it's unlikely that they would have been using real bombs on a test run, as this is not SOP.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 12:35:30 PM »

Apparently the accident activated all but one of the activation "switches".  Southeast NC was extremely close to being liquidated by a 2.4 - 24 megaton nuke (Accounts differ to the actual size... like it matters.)

Not really. Nuclear bombs don't work that way. They don't go off by impact, like a conventional bomb. In fact, if anything unexpected happens, the thing probably won't fire at all. Oh, the triggering explosive might have gone off, scattering radioactive material around (although, being buried, even this is improbably.) But, it's extremely unlikely that a nuclear explosion would result. It would be as though you dropped a refrigerator from high up and then expected it to still work.



It might work on the way down until just before impact.  I would think it could, at least in part, be salvaged once it landed.  Is there no way a nuke might be set off without the will of a regional warlord who is supposedly in possession/control of one?  I would assume that it could be hijacked, or malfunction in some other way, causing it to go off.  I'd hope there are safety measures for arming one that are extensive, and redundant, but saying it couldn't happen sounds incorrect to me.  I assume there are many who had faith in the aircrafts ability to not drop it unintentionally.  I realize it's likely a lot more complicated then that, but shit happens.  I can see how one might not laugh off concern over the state mishandling devastating weapons, such as a nuke, no matter how improbable.


Human beings should be MUCH MUCH MUCH more worried/concerned regarding bio-weapons which exist TODAY and...once unleashed...are unstoppable...


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The Potential For The Usage Of The Flu As A Worldwide Population Reduction Genocidal Bio-Weapon

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi133.html

And since you probably didn't check out any of the reference links at the above article, here is the one referring to
the lab-created virus that actually CAN/COULD kill virtually everyone on the planet
(except those who have access to the super-duper-top-secret antidote/vaccine for that particular super-virus)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi45.html
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 06:50:34 PM »

The idea that there are usable nuclear bombs on the ocean floor unmonitored and ready to be picked up is still very frightening.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 07:46:02 PM »

The idea that there are usable nuclear bombs on the ocean floor unmonitored and ready to be picked up is still very frightening.

Would not the casing and the entire bomb itself be crushed by pressure?
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2009, 08:48:31 PM »

The idea that there are usable nuclear bombs on the ocean floor unmonitored and ready to be picked up is still very frightening.

Would not the casing and the entire bomb itself be crushed by pressure?

That might depend-I'd think so if you are talking about ICBM's, but if you are talking about tactical nukes, as in torpedoes, they would need to be able to withstand as much pressure-or more-than the sub. Besides, uranium/plutonium are elemental...what are you going to crush them into?

Anyone who wanted fissionable material likely purchased it from eastern Europe when the USSR fell apart-as far as making the bomb, that's 70 year old technology...with enough money I'd suspect anyone could pull off a nuke. A delivery device might be harder to pull off clandestinely.

That said, I can't think of anyone I would be more fearful of having nukes than the lunatics that I KNOW have them now...
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