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Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« on: December 17, 2010, 07:56:57 PM »

There was a caller about two weeks ago who said he had managed to obtain $200M funding for someone pursuing this concept.  Ian was rude to him, and wrote him off as a nut.  Sure, the guy sounded fairly nutty, but I wouldn't summarily write off any of Tesla's ideas.  I got more interested in it, and decided some simple research, in the internet era, couldn't hurt.  I was amazed.

If you do an internet search on these keywords, you'll find a plethora of interesting links.  On youtube, in particular, you'll find demonstrations that seem compelling.  There's a one-hour radio interview, in particular, where someone explains it.  Since my area of engineering was not electronics, it's currently beyond my understanding, but I can't help but think this is something that can be made practical.

Of course, the way to poopoo this idea is to call it a perpetual motion device, but it's no more a perpetual motion device than a hydroelectric dam, because it harnesses power that exists in nature, but is unfocused.  Here's a teaser video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMQqnaWUA98
[youtube]QMQqnaWUA98[/youtube]

This isn't exactly your 200mpg carburetor.  I'm convinced it's something real, that cannot be adequately explained (we don't even have a grand unified theory of science--relativity and quantum physics don't agree on everything, because they don't fully explain all science, and this could be something in the gaps.)  Imagine the impact of so-called "free energy," not to any group of people, but to every individual on the planet.  What we do know is that there is an iron core in the earth, which is spinning, and just about any amateur scientist can predict their are gaussian implications there (think right-hand-rule, between magnetism and electricity.)  I haven't read enough on the topic and don't understand all I've been exposed to, but it's no longer a topic worthy of laughs (if it ever was.)
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Re: Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 09:29:45 PM »

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smoke n' mirrors
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Re: Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 09:36:58 PM »

I think he was on to something by collecting electricity from the atmosphere.
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Re: Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 10:33:45 PM »

I think he was on to something by collecting electricity from the atmosphere.


It is possible to get some usable electric current from radio waves that are all around us. Problem is, to ever get any real benefit from it, the radio signal would have to be amplified to the point where the cost of amplification would be greater than the benefit on the other end. Its a good idea for transmitting electricity without lines, but its not very efficient.

The rest of this stuff, I have no idea about. Pretty cool ideas to think about though.
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Re: Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 11:43:11 PM »

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So you won't want any of the cheap electricity when it gets harnessed.  OK.  I, on the other hand, am looking forward to a free market solution to expensive electricity.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 09:27:46 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2010, 10:10:15 AM »

I haven't researched Tesla but I did watch a good documentary about him which was really fascinating.  There is definitely a lot of politics involved with the path of the electricity market that reeks of powerful people buying favors and crushing the competition (Tesla) with government help at the cost of the broader market.  Still, I got the impression his research was more about efficiently transmitting energy through the air; not harnessing energy that hadn't been produced somewhere.  The problem with that is controlling it.  The energy would be in an alternate form all over the Earth and you'd have to control every single device that could extract the energy.  It had implications of socialism over capitalism on its surface, though it may have just presented some challenges to capitalize on.  The Edison powers managed to propagandize it as being extremely dangerous absent any real evidence and there was a sort of VHS vs. Beta battle of electrical standards and the Edison team won it.

I was under the impression that it was actually competitively efficient with transmitting it through all the hardware we use now.  Then consider not having to build all that hardware and having the practical benefit of accessing power anywhere and it makes a pretty good case for taking it more seriously.  Just imagine how much work has gone into all that infrastructure over the many decades that might not have been necessary!   The resources that could have gone into other things!

Anyway, that's my almost-layman's take on it.  I say "almost-layman's" because I'm probably more familiar with the science than most people but It's not my area either and I've only grazed the history of Tesla.

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Re: Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2010, 11:50:45 AM »

I don't understand what this video is supposed to prove.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2010, 12:42:56 PM »

I don't understand what this video is supposed to prove.

If you watch it long enough, John Galt pops out.
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Re: Nicola Tesla's Free Energy
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2010, 12:52:02 PM »

I don't understand what this video is supposed to prove.

It proves that anyone with a 20 dollar camera and a cheezy dance music soundtrack in the background can peak peoples curiosity about free energy without giving any details about how it works.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2010, 02:16:42 PM »

If you watch it long enough, John Galt pops out.

Damn, I missed that.  I couldn't get more than about a minute into it before I was bored to tears.  Literally, I was balling my eyes out.  My roommates thought my rat had died.

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2010, 02:36:15 PM »

I haven't researched Tesla but I did watch a good documentary about him which was really fascinating.  There is definitely a lot of politics involved with the path of the electricity market that reeks of powerful people buying favors and crushing the competition (Tesla) with government help at the cost of the broader market.  Still, I got the impression his research was more about efficiently transmitting energy through the air; not harnessing energy that hadn't been produced somewhere.  The problem with that is controlling it.  The energy would be in an alternate form all over the Earth and you'd have to control every single device that could extract the energy.  It had implications of socialism over capitalism on its surface, though it may have just presented some challenges to capitalize on.  The Edison powers managed to propagandize it as being extremely dangerous absent any real evidence and there was a sort of VHS vs. Beta battle of electrical standards and the Edison team won it.

I was under the impression that it was actually competitively efficient with transmitting it through all the hardware we use now.  Then consider not having to build all that hardware and having the practical benefit of accessing power anywhere and it makes a pretty good case for taking it more seriously.  Just imagine how much work has gone into all that infrastructure over the many decades that might not have been necessary!   The resources that could have gone into other things!

Anyway, that's my almost-layman's take on it.  I say "almost-layman's" because I'm probably more familiar with the science than most people but It's not my area either and I've only grazed the history of Tesla.


Thank you for actually discussing the topic.  I probably saw the same thing (Discovery Channel, History Channel, something like that.)  Yes, Tesla was obsessed with the idea o transmitting the energy through the air.  Of course, you could still transmit the same energy through high-tension wires.  High-tension wires (using step-up transformers) are more efficient than moving it as-is through wires, but there are some inefficiencies anyway.  Fortunately, the energy could be captured fairly close to the destination, because it's not a hydro-electric dam or something you can't put close to where the power is used.

I agree that it's worth taking a look at again, for the reasons you mentioned, and especially because Tesla was summarily discounted by established people in politics and the electric industry.  There are probably applications which have not been applied.

Yes, from your time on the show, I'd suspect your general knowledge is actually very similar to mine (whereas our specialties have been different) and we probably both have the same attraction to the topic without that much in-depth knowledge to be able to "do" a lot about it.  Anyway, thanks again for discussing instead of the typical trolly response it's mostly otherwise gotten.

I don't understand what this video is supposed to prove.

It's supposed to be a demonstration of how you can build a device that will keep running indefinitely, without "plugging in to something," until a component fails.  This is not to be confused with a "perpetual motion machine" because it is getting energy from the environment around it.  

If you go to the web site listed in the comments, you will find that other people have build the same device in response, and that people have actually used the device to charge other electronic devices.  That is, they're capturing and using energy now.  Think of it as similar to a solar cell, only it doesn't need to be in the sun (nor does the sun doesn't need to be shining.)

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Don't work all the time.  This works all the time.  On the large scale, this is a big deal.  You can't have a grid that just turns off when the wind stops blowing, or doesn't work at night.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2010, 02:41:40 PM »

The most interesting aspect of this I can think of is a hydrogen fuel generation station in your home and/or on the highway, that makes electric cars as useful as gasoline cars.  Of course, this is possible without the aforementioned technology, but it is much more attractive without the need to pull the electricity from an existing grid, presumably at higher cost.  

Also, once again, it is available at night when the wind isn't blowing, so it's a great candidate as a source for a "car charger," regardless of whether the car uses batteries (yuck) or hydrogen fuel.  Presumably, it would be just as good to provide an electric load for your house--perhaps even to heat it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2010, 05:38:00 PM »

Tesla was an amazing inventor, but more nonsensical myths have been spun around him than just about anyone else. His real inventions, such as the entire infrastructure for our current electrical system, are great enough without attributing free energy, death rays, anti-gravity and other such silliness to him.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2010, 06:17:42 PM »

Don't work all the time.  This works all the time.  On the large scale, this is a big deal.  You can't have a grid that just turns off when the wind stops blowing, or doesn't work at night.

all fine & well.
maybe your great-great-great-great-great grandchildren will reap its benefits, on a practical/usable scale.
shit, solar has been put to practical use for far longer but, for pv (photovoltaic = electricity), the upfront investment still far outweighs the modicum of usable electricity you receive......even with the 30% govt. payback..shit is nowhere near efficient.....yet.
solar elec. is STILL in its infancy (altho, solar hot water is far more practical & cost friendly....i've been using it for 3 yrs now)
this tesla/star-trekkying mumbo-jumbo certainly won't be a feasible option for several generations, i surmise.
they'll prob. have the ''transporter'' available before you can do anything useful/cost-effective w/ this ''free energy'' thing.
oh, did i mention the potential cancer-causing effects of elevated electrical currents free-wheeling around high-tension transmission wires?
you'd have to ramp up the electrical field that surrounds us somehow, to generate the ''free'' energy, no?
what the fuck do i know.....dammit jim, i'm a plumber, not a physicist
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