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Title: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: avshae on April 28, 2009, 02:07:25 AM
Since I am quite sure you will delete this too I have posted it in a new thread:

[The subject of my post is] "What every Palestinian child wants for Christmas..." and I have added a picture of a mean looking anti-aircraft machine gun.

Next: lots of other guys post their unsympathetic opinion about it.

I deleted most of the posts here because they didn't serve the purpose of this thread...which is solely and wholly to advocate for the Palestinians to be armed with each and every tool that Americans have sent to Israel along with the foreign aid...

I will continue to delete any and all posts which do not advocate for "trade with all and entangling alliances with none...

I wish you good luck with your "only anti-Israeli posts allowed" thread. You have deleted about 10 posts here and left only your own and maybe 2-3 others. Next time please respect peoples time and efforts by indicating in advance your intentions with regard to wholesale censorship of any views you don't agree with, specifically if you can't deal with them on a concrete level.

Deleting the occasional over-the-top delirious rant, personal insult or entirely irrelevant post is one thing, but mass censorship us just cowardly.

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on April 28, 2009, 02:20:01 AM
Yeah he sucks.  No surprise.  No reason to bitch about it either.  Fuck him.  He's a nutter.

No reason to make a big deal about it.  I have a thread called "Rob" all about him, there's a few pages of people who think he's a dumbass/nutjob, so I wouldn't cry censorship or wolf on this topic anyways.

He deleted one of my posts too, but you don't see me crying about it.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 28, 2009, 08:39:10 AM

I deleted some of my own as well

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 28, 2009, 08:46:55 AM

btw...

thanks for drawing attention to my threads and posts!

enjoy!

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 28, 2009, 10:28:15 AM
(1)  How is this news?

(2)  You sleep with pigs, you wake up with flees.  Or something like that.



Oh, and ...

... here's what you append to all your forum posts if you want every person viewing them to hammer maqs.com for ~8MB of bandwidth: 

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Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: rabidfurby on April 28, 2009, 06:50:13 PM
Why'd you start this in the Hijack-Free Zone, if not to delete posts you disagree with?
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 28, 2009, 06:55:10 PM
As I am sure you are aware, I've had threads on this BBS that some kiddies attempted to spam / hijack ad nauseam.  Moving them to this "zone" and implementing a cleanup script was very useful. 

NHArticleTen, on the other hand, is just being an asshole.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: blackie on April 28, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
I have decided not to post in NHAT threads any more.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on April 28, 2009, 07:21:11 PM
In Rob world, there is no dissent. Only freedom. Dissent is violently crushed to make way for censorship, and complete freedom.

It does not have to make sense, only Rob sense.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 29, 2009, 11:28:48 AM
In Rob world, there is no dissent. Only freedom. Dissent is violently crushed to make way for censorship, and complete freedom.

It does not have to make sense, only Rob sense.

you write your book...I'll write mine...

(feel free to buy up all my books so no one reads them :twisted:)

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on April 29, 2009, 11:46:37 AM
In Rob world, there is no dissent. Only freedom. Dissent is violently crushed to make way for censorship, and complete freedom.

It does not have to make sense, only Rob sense.

you write your book...I'll write mine...

(feel free to buy up all my books so no one reads them :twisted:)


Nobody would be able to understand them unless they learned triangle-ese
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: avshae on April 29, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
avshae is a pansy who actually gives a shit what other people do with there no life free time on internet forums. who cares

Here is an example of a post that I consider appropriate for deletion. Criteria:
1) Personal insult (boo hoo hoo almost cried there)
2) Zero contribution to the subject
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: avshae on April 29, 2009, 01:01:40 PM
thanks for drawing attention to my threads and posts!

Not all publicity is good publicity.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 29, 2009, 01:30:31 PM
thanks for drawing attention to my threads and posts!
Not all publicity is good publicity.

... as someone with a fascist flag for an avatar would know ...
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 29, 2009, 04:45:17 PM
thanks for drawing attention to my threads and posts!
Not all publicity is good publicity.

... as someone with a fascist flag for an avatar would know ...


just another flag to burn...
and another state to disassemble...

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ecolitan on April 29, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
How can you be a pro-israeli anarcho anything?

By definition if you are pro-israeli you must be statist-something.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: rabidfurby on April 29, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
How can you be a pro-israeli anarcho anything?

By definition if you are pro-israeli you must be statist-something.

Don't confuse the troll with logic.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on April 29, 2009, 10:43:35 PM
How can you be a pro-israeli anarcho anything?

By definition if you are pro-israeli you must be statist-something.

Don't confuse the troll with logic.

So says the illogical racist troll himself.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 29, 2009, 11:20:31 PM
I'm no fan of rabidfurby, but he speaketh the truth here.

How can anyone claim Israel is not statist?! They are a military base disguised as a country!  The only reason they didn't go 100% Communist in 1948 was because Truman outbid Stalin by a little bit.  Their Tax Freedom Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_freedom_day#Tax_Freedom_Day_around_the_world) is July 15th!  That's worse than most of Europe, including France!  And that doesn't include how much of their government spending is financed through coercion by other governments around the world!
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: rabidfurby on April 29, 2009, 11:24:41 PM
How can you be a pro-israeli anarcho anything?

By definition if you are pro-israeli you must be statist-something.

Don't confuse the troll with logic.

So says the illogical racist troll himself.

lol.

I'm no fan of rabidfurby

Don't lie. You fuckin' love me.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on April 30, 2009, 03:46:52 AM
I'm no fan of rabidfurby, but he speaketh the truth here.

How can anyone claim Israel is not statist?! They are a military base disguised as a country!  The only reason they didn't go 100% Communist in 1948 was because Truman outbid Stalin by a little bit.  Their Tax Freedom Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_freedom_day#Tax_Freedom_Day_around_the_world) is July 15th!  That's worse than most of Europe, including France!  And that doesn't include how much of their government spending is financed through coercion by other governments around the world!

But at least Israel's headed in the right direction with economic reforms.  Unlike the USA :(
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 30, 2009, 12:20:20 PM
Israel is headed nowhere good.  Religious fanatics don't want to work.  Smarter Jews want to move out.  The land the "country" is built on isn't getting any less stolen.  IT innovations make it ever-easier to bypass the Zionist-controlled MSM propaganda machine.  Etc.

Geographically they were supposed to be a bigger center of finance and trade than Singapore, but look at their exports-per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita) numbers... And that's in spite of all the religious and government bullshit, and rich Americans (including billionaires) sinking dollars there for ideological reasons.  Israeli oranges are of inferior quality and cost more, but the fanatics still buy them!  Billions are thrown in government / military / security contracts, diamond monopolies, a government-backed "black market" in synthetic drugs, tourism, etc, etc, etc.  Etc.  But when it comes to fair competition, Israel can't produce jack shit!
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 30, 2009, 01:49:48 PM
Israel is headed nowhere good.  Religious fanatics don't want to work.  Smarter Jews want to move out.  The land the "country" is built on isn't getting any less stolen.  IT innovations make it ever-easier to bypass the Zionist-controlled MSM propaganda machine.  Etc.

Geographically they were supposed to be a bigger center of finance and trade than Singapore, but look at their exports-per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita) numbers... And that's in spite of all the religious and government bullshit, and rich Americans (including billionaires) sinking dollars there for ideological reasons.  Israeli oranges are of inferior quality and cost more, but the fanatics still buy them!  Billions are thrown in government / military / security contracts, diamond monopolies, a government-backed "black market" in synthetic drugs, tourism, etc, etc, etc.  Etc.  But when it comes to fair competition, Israel can't produce jack shit!


this

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on April 30, 2009, 01:55:28 PM
Israel is headed nowhere good.  Religious fanatics don't want to work.  Smarter Jews want to move out.  The land the "country" is built on isn't getting any less stolen.  IT innovations make it ever-easier to bypass the Zionist-controlled MSM propaganda machine.  Etc.

Geographically they were supposed to be a bigger center of finance and trade than Singapore, but look at their exports-per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita) numbers... And that's in spite of all the religious and government bullshit, and rich Americans (including billionaires) sinking dollars there for ideological reasons.  Israeli oranges are of inferior quality and cost more, but the fanatics still buy them!  Billions are thrown in government / military / security contracts, diamond monopolies, a government-backed "black market" in synthetic drugs, tourism, etc, etc, etc.  Etc.  But when it comes to fair competition, Israel can't produce jack shit!


Israel probably has some tests ahead of it, but things will work out eventually.
The only fanatics in relation to religion all live in Tel Aviv, and the haredim are doing things more important then working.
Retaking your property isnt stealing, its repossessition.
Israel is the only source of many bug free vegetables.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 30, 2009, 02:27:29 PM
The concept of property rights hasn't been perfect in the past (i.e. the Roman Empire), but it has gotten better, and violent repossession of land in the 20th century can only be described as theft.

And, yes, only in the Holy Land(TM) do bugs not dare do what they do anywhere else...  :roll:
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: ziggy_encaoua on April 30, 2009, 03:00:56 PM
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the Palestinians to be armed with each and every tool that Americans have sent to Israel along with the foreign aid

1) Iran do a good job arming the Palestinians
2) Typically Israel only use their weapons in self defence
3) If the Palestinians donm't want Israel to bomb thenm here's a suggestion...stop carrying out rocket attacks & suicide bombings!
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 30, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
How about someone steals your house and when you try to pursue justice everyone calls you a terrorist?
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: avshae on May 01, 2009, 06:55:17 AM
Stop. Enough. You post is so full of holes I'm getting a hole in my head. Lets just take it one by one.

Israel is headed nowhere good.
OK, you're entitled to you opinion.
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Religious fanatics don't want to work.
Agree. Thats why we need the state to change it so they can't freeload anymore. They can study Torah on there own free time, just like any other recreational activity.
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Smarter Jews want to move out.
Again, that is you opinion.
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The land the "country" is built on isn't getting any less stolen.
It is no more stolen than England, the US, Peru, or practically any other modern country. What claim did the Irish immigrants have to come in on boats and seize Indian land? What justification did the Normans/Saxons have to invade England? At least the Jews have irrefutable Historic ties to the land of Israel that are just as strong as, if not stonger, than those of the "Palestinians", which btw is a concept invented no earlier than 1964.

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Geographically they were supposed to be a bigger center of finance and trade than Singapore
Have you heard of the political situation in the Middle East?
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but look at their exports-per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita) numbers...
I'd say 28 in the world is not that bad, considering you know the little security inconveniences that arise from time to time. 28th is better than the US, better than Japan. Don't you have any more convincing data to base you anti-Israeli sentiments on?
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Israeli oranges are of inferior quality
just the opposite
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and cost more
depends on transport costs and customs agreements between countries. In Australia I suppose it costs more, but there is still demand.
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but the fanatics still buy them!
I think Israeli wine (http://www.golanwines.co.il/Prise_eng.asp) is just as good as French wine yet I still occasionally buy a bottle of expensive French. Does that make me a fanatic?
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Billions are thrown in government / military / security contracts
Guess you've heard about the conflict situation here by now
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diamond monopolies, a government-backed "black market" in synthetic drugs
WHAT???!!!
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, tourism,
Is toursim bad? Is it somehow opposed to the principles of libertarianism?

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But when it comes to fair competition, Israel can't produce jack shit!
Sorry man, I've had it up to here. It is your knowledge that amounts to jack-shit. Intel leading development and manufacturing sites are in Israel. Intel is basically an Israeli company. Have you heard of Teva Pharmaceuticals? Checkpoint? ECI Telecom? Delta-Galil? Alvarion? Verisity? Vocaltec?
Leading companies like Microsoft and Cisco thought it was a good idea to open primary development sites in Israel. Here's a link (http://www.transnationale.org/countries/isrs.php) so you can start catching up on all those prejudices you have regarding Israel.


Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on May 01, 2009, 07:23:10 AM
Cool link, I loved this quote:
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According to a 2006 report by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, 92 per cent of employers breach the labour law.
That's the way a country should be, fuck labor laws.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 01, 2009, 11:15:06 AM
Stop. Enough. You post is so full of holes I'm getting a hole in my head. Lets just take it one by one.

Israel is headed nowhere good.
OK, you're entitled to you opinion.
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Religious fanatics don't want to work.
Agree. Thats why we need the state to change it so they can't freeload anymore. They can study Torah on there own free time, just like any other recreational activity.
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Smarter Jews want to move out.
Again, that is you opinion.
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The land the "country" is built on isn't getting any less stolen.
It is no more stolen than England, the US, Peru, or practically any other modern country. What claim did the Irish immigrants have to come in on boats and seize Indian land? What justification did the Normans/Saxons have to invade England? At least the Jews have irrefutable Historic ties to the land of Israel that are just as strong as, if not stonger, than those of the "Palestinians", which btw is a concept invented no earlier than 1964.

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Geographically they were supposed to be a bigger center of finance and trade than Singapore
Have you heard of the political situation in the Middle East?
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but look at their exports-per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita) numbers...
I'd say 28 in the world is not that bad, considering you know the little security inconveniences that arise from time to time. 28th is better than the US, better than Japan. Don't you have any more convincing data to base you anti-Israeli sentiments on?
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Israeli oranges are of inferior quality
just the opposite
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and cost more
depends on transport costs and customs agreements between countries. In Australia I suppose it costs more, but there is still demand.
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but the fanatics still buy them!
I think Israeli wine (http://www.golanwines.co.il/Prise_eng.asp) is just as good as French wine yet I still occasionally buy a bottle of expensive French. Does that make me a fanatic?
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Billions are thrown in government / military / security contracts
Guess you've heard about the conflict situation here by now
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diamond monopolies, a government-backed "black market" in synthetic drugs
WHAT???!!!
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, tourism,
Is toursim bad? Is it somehow opposed to the principles of libertarianism?

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But when it comes to fair competition, Israel can't produce jack shit!
Sorry man, I've had it up to here. It is your knowledge that amounts to jack-shit. Intel leading development and manufacturing sites are in Israel. Intel is basically an Israeli company. Have you heard of Teva Pharmaceuticals? Checkpoint? ECI Telecom? Delta-Galil? Alvarion? Verisity? Vocaltec?
Leading companies like Microsoft and Cisco thought it was a good idea to open primary development sites in Israel. Here's a link (http://www.transnationale.org/countries/isrs.php) so you can start catching up on all those prejudices you have regarding Israel.


this post alone is enough to warrant glassing the "Hole Land"...{{runs from keyboard screaming}}

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: avshae on May 04, 2009, 06:23:49 AM
Cool link, I loved this quote:
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According to a 2006 report by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, 92 per cent of employers breach the labour law.
That's the way a country should be, fuck labor laws.

Yeah, withholding social benefits from waiters by writing down as if they only worked one hour each day, firing women when they become pregnant, hiring through a temp agency where the agency cuts a 50% coupon, an in return the employer can calmly deny basic rights from the employee.

Is that what libertarianism is about?
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 04, 2009, 08:25:23 AM
Cool link, I loved this quote:
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According to a 2006 report by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, 92 per cent of employers breach the labour law.
That's the way a country should be, fuck labor laws.

Yeah, withholding social benefits from waiters by writing down as if they only worked one hour each day, firing women when they become pregnant, hiring through a temp agency where the agency cuts a 50% coupon, an in return the employer can calmly deny basic rights from the employee.

Is that what libertarianism is about?

"social benefits"!?!?!
(oh...you mean gunpoint wealth redistribution)

"firing women when they become pregnant"!?!?!
(oh...you mean gunpoint interference between contractual parties...wtf...just WHERE would you draw the line there...hmmm...)

"hiring through a temp agency"!?!?!
(oh...you mean gunpoint interference in the free market of labor...hmmm....)

WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU COME FROM!?!?!

gunpoint gooberment=fail

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on May 05, 2009, 03:12:00 AM
You post is so full of holes I'm getting a hole in my head.

Are you sure you didn't have one to begin with?


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Religious fanatics don't want to work.
Agree. Thats why we need the state to change it so they can't freeload anymore. They can study Torah on there own free time, just like any other recreational activity.

Calling something my opinion (which I later back with facts) or claiming that something can be changed does not constitute identifying a hole in my argument.


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Smarter Jews want to move out.
Again, that is you opinion.

Backed by statistics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence) as well as a lot of personal observation.  Natural selection is gradually taking place with the smartest Jews moving out of Israel (which takes determination) and mostly just the fanatics moving in (which is the path of least resistance for many).  Why would anyone choose Israel over America except irrational religious bull?


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The land the "country" is built on isn't getting any less stolen.
It is no more stolen than England, the US, Peru, or practically any other modern country.

Those countries were not passed from one collective group to an other by a government that is still in power today.  The violation of property rights (i.e. whether the natives really did agree to give up land for trinkets) in those early cases is not documented, it is in the case of Israel.  There is a big difference between 1066 / 1492 and the twentieth century!


the "Palestinians", which btw is a concept invented no earlier than 1964.

So you don't get to have rights unless you self-identify as a part of a civilization that goes back at least 2500 years?  The Palestinians, as I see them, are not united by anything but circumstance.  If the United Nations had decided to give away Rockingham County, NH to the Native Americans or the Rwandan Tutsis, the people whose property would be stolen to facilitate that could be called the Rockinghamians.


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Geographically they were supposed to be a bigger center of finance and trade than Singapore
Have you heard of the political situation in the Middle East?

Which Israel has created?


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but look at their exports-per-capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita) numbers...
I'd say 28 in the world is not that bad, considering you know the little security inconveniences that arise from time to time.

Israel's "security inconveniences" are a net positive for its trade balance, which allows them to develop the most tyrannical Big Brother tech first and then sell it to other governments.  In light of all the unfair advantages Israel has, #28 is damn awful.  No other country of comparable size and per-capita GDP does worse!


28th is better than the US, better than Japan.

Of course it's better than the US, most of our trade is internal (i.e. between the states).  And Japan makes money from foreign investments (i.e. car manufacturing plants in other countries).  And little countries have an advantage in this statistic, especially those located at the cross-roads of multiple continents.  The comparison with Singapore is most valid.


Don't you have any more convincing data to base you anti-Israeli sentiments on?

I've already mentioned plenty to back up my original point, which was in defense of the following statement: "by definition if you are pro-israeli you must be statist-something".  In fact, Israel's percentage of far-left cretins (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_pol_ori_far_lef-lifestyle-political-orientation-far-left) is so high there might be a communist revolution in store once it begins to collapse!

And only a hand-full of first-world countries rank below Israel in terms of quality-of-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-Life_Index), or economic (http://www.heritage.org/Index/Ranking.aspx) / press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders#Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index) freedom.  None rank worse in the Failed States Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index).  And we all know what the Global Peace Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index) has to say...


(out of time, will finish later)
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: avshae on May 07, 2009, 03:28:50 AM
You're very selective with your choice of yardsticks, holding Israel to the highest standards by comparing it economically to Singapore (as if in the 21st century geographical location has any major effect on economy), while cutting slack for Japan with it's huge auto industry, just as an example.

Comparing states as if they were 100m sprinters does not show the whole picture, since in the case of states not every state started at the same start-line. Israel only exists for 61 years, and at the beginning of the century there was nothing but sand and swamps here, thanks in large to the so-called "Palestinian" nation. Israel has 20% Israeli Arabs, which are generally an economic burden. Israel has 25% orthodox Jews, which are also generally a burden, although there are many exceptions. Not to mention order of 3 millions Palestinians who for the most part live off of Israel's hand (PS I don't know what the meaning of a "Failed States Index" is if it is done on Israel together with the West-Bank and Gaza).

Furthermore, although it is clear to any realist that Israel is here to stay, still it took most of the Arabs states (order of 100mil ppl) half a century to realize that they are the chief losers from investing so much effort to destroy Israel (600K to a few million Jews). Therefore, Israel was and still is forced to spend between 35-55% of its annual budget on security (35% in recent years if my memory is correct). Compare that to 1-3% aid received from the US (which started only after 1967). Men do 3 years obligatory service, women 2. Most men also do around 20 days reserve duty a year. All these things have a ne negative effect on the economy. Think about a runner that came in fourth but did 150m instead of 100m, you'd still admit it is an extraordinary achievement.

And even if you still insist on sticking to artificial indices, Israel tops the region in most of them. Comparing to Singapore is meaningless, you should compare to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan. The fact that Israel, despite being located in a very harsh region, and despite its immensely inferior start both economically and militarily, is at least in the same league with comparable peaceful states in Europe such as Belgium, Ireland, The Netherlands, just shows how the greatness of Israel.

It sounds to me like you may have some personal grudge against Israel, like maybe you couldn't make it here and did make it in the US. Or maybe your conscience is bothering you for not making Aliya. I wish you success and prosperity wherever you may choose to live, and I suppose it's relatively safe for Jews to live in the US these days, but remember that Jews in other places around the world don't enjoy the same privileges. Israel is the only place they can count on when the shit hits the fan.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 07, 2009, 11:37:13 AM

yes

Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Dylboz on May 07, 2009, 04:35:16 PM
Jews in other places around the world don't enjoy the same privileges. Israel is the only place they can count on when the shit hits the fan.

Yeah, Jews in Israel have all the privileges, while their Palestinian victims have no rights. That's why there's a constant stream of fecal matter blowing back at you guys from your own metaphorical air circulating device.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on May 07, 2009, 05:55:38 PM
Jews in other places around the world don't enjoy the same privileges. Israel is the only place they can count on when the shit hits the fan.

Yeah, Jews in Israel have all the privileges, while their Palestinian victims have no rights. That's why there's a constant stream of fecal matter blowing back at you guys from your own metaphorical air circulating device.
Fail.
Title: Re: NHArticleTen cowardly deletes most posts in his thread he doesn't agree with
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on May 07, 2009, 11:17:19 PM
Jews in other places around the world don't enjoy the same privileges. Israel is the only place they can count on when the shit hits the fan.

Yeah, Jews in Israel have all the privileges, while their Palestinian victims have no rights. That's why there's a constant stream of fecal matter blowing back at you guys from your own metaphorical air circulating device.

Ok, numbnuts, Palistenians are people in a FOREIGN FUCKING COUNTRY for all intents and purposes. They have rights in Israel the same way Mexicans have rights in the USA. If you want to say that its terrible that Palistenians cant vote in Israel, remember that no nation lets foreigners to vote in their elections, or drive on their roads without licensing, or come into their country without border checks.