Muslims slaughter a bunch of christians (mostly women & children)What a Shocker

[Riddler]

Here again it is not all who are using the Muslim religion this way for perceived insults.   Unless you have some way of proving that every single one of the 1.57 billion Muslims in the world contributed money to fund the hit you still only have some radicals to blame. 

A black man in the south could have found himself hung for the perceived insult of looking at a white woman the wrong way.  Yeah that is so much more rational than a hit on a cartoonist.  And these murders were perpetrated by people who considered themselves to be Christians. 

Or how about this case:

Paul "Big Paulie" Castellano's daughter told him that her boyfriend had insulted him royally. Big Paulie recruited a couple of young toughs to eliminate the problem permanently. John Gotti and Joseph Massino got together to kill Vito Borelli, the offending boyfriend.

What did Vito Borelli do wrong? According to Bonanno turncoat Goodlooking Sal Vitale, Borelli said out loud what Castellano's pals were afraid to: that Big Paulie looked a lot like Frank Perdue. the chicken magnate. Vitale was called on to help Massino and Gotti and several others dispose of Borelli's body in 1975 after these men killed him at a Manhattan cookie business operated by Bonanno soldier Anthony Rabito.

Someone saying you look like Frank Perdue is a killing offense.  And that is so much more rational.

All your cartoonist hit proves is there is some radicals out there are insane enough to order a hit for a crazy reason.  And that there are some people willing to carry it out for the price offered.  People have killed others for as little as $2.  No joke an Asian woman was killed by a mugger when she only had $2.  The mugger killed her because she only had $2 and that make him angry.   I don't know what ethnic group or religion that mugger considered himself to belong to but his quilt is not the guilt of the group for which he belongs.  Just as Italians are not all made men in the mafia who will order hits for a perceived insult.

aaannndddd...we have a winnah.....
(hint: you're NOT it)
when you start bringing up old-south lynchings & the mafia, as examples of...''it happens everywhere'', you've clearly run out of steam, my friend.

and, we're NOT talking about some ''fringe'' radical group within this religion, as you've obviously & conveniently forgotten the MASS RIOTS in europe the erupted over this cartoon debacle. (again....over a fucking CARTOON of mohammed):

''.....This led to protests across the Muslim world, some of which escalated into violence with police firing on the crowds (resulting in more than 100 deaths, all together),........
......Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen described the controversy as Denmark's worst international crisis since World War II..........''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

PROTIP: that wiki has a listing for this cartoon bullshit, is quite telling....in fact, i googled ''religious protests over insults'''.....guess-fucking-what....

it's over , johnny

[libertylover]

I don't think so. *facepalm*  You are still identifying a group of radicals and attempting to tie all Muslims to the actions of those radicals.   The radicals in this case using the cartoon as an excuse to incite anger.  

I noticed from the same article you ignored this: "The majority of Muslim leaders and scholars called for protesters to remain peaceful."  The word it seems you fail to comprehend is Majority.  Majority means the largest portion of a group.   And if they have freedom of speech they are well within their rights to protest peacefully.  Just as much as those crazy Christian fundamentalist who protest at Iraq military deads' funerals.  They claim it is God's judgment because abortion is legal and America is too gay friendly.  These Christian radicals are not representative of all Christians.

Many of the critics saw the drawings as being racist.  How about you go to the middle of Harlem Public Housing and shout out at the N word at that top of your lungs and let's just see if you remain unharmed.  

There are other examples of crazy protests by religious groups and murders carried out in the name of religious beliefs.  "The Life of Brian," was massively protested by Christian groups.   Anti-abortion groups are mostly a Christian and some of them fire bomb clinics and kill doctors.  

[Diogenes The Cynic]

This is the song that never ennnnnnnnnnnnnds..........
It just goes on and on my friends...............
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
And they'll keep singing it forever just because.............

This is the song that never ennnnnnnnnnnnnds..........
It just goes on and on my friends...............
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
And they'll keep singing it forever just because.............

This is the song that never ennnnnnnnnnnnnds..........
It just goes on and on my friends...............
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
And they'll keep singing it forever just because.............

This is the song that never ennnnnnnnnnnnnds..........
It just goes on and on my friends...............
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
And they'll keep singing it forever just because.............

[Riddler]

You are still identifying a group of radicals and attempting to tie all Muslims to the actions of those radicals.     

 "The majority of Muslim leaders and scholars called for protesters to remain peaceful."  The word it seems you fail to comprehend is Majority.  Majority means the largest portion of a group. 

Many of the critics saw the drawings as being racist.  How about you go to the middle of Harlem Public Housing and shout out at the N word at that top of your lungs and let's just see if you remain unharmed.   

There are other examples of crazy protests by religious groups and murders carried out in the name of religious beliefs.  "The Life of Brian," was massively protested by Christian groups.   Anti-abortion groups are mostly a Christian and some of them fire bomb clinics and kill doctors. 

again, you fail miserably:

1:''a group of radicals''?????
the majority of clerics & scholars>>>>>>does NOT = the MAJORITY of MUSLIMS...
the clerics & scholars are but a small fraction of the worlds muslim population, and in the case of the rioting, the MAJORITY of the muslim populace spoke loud & clear. NOT a ''group of radicals''.....don't fucking preach to me the meaning of majority

2:if i did go to harlem & yell nigger, i wouldn't have a $100,000 contract on  my life years later, dumbass....can you say salman rushdie????? shit, wasn't that 30 YEARS AGO??!!
you're comparisons are embarrassing.

3: life of brian protests? is that all you've got????
    again, see my response above.....christians never hunted down the movie makers or actors

4: face it, you've got nowhere to go with this, but down.
   muslim responses to insults are unmatched by ANY OTHER religious group on the planet.
I've got hard facts to back that statement....you've got specious claims & non-sensical comparisons.

[davann]

I have no proposals for solution, other than to remain grounded in reality. Everyone knows that there are perfectly loving and harmless people of all religions, goes without saying. Not all Catholic priests bugger the little fellas in the congregation, not all Christian Identity folks are scouting the wilderness for black folks to hang, not all Muslims have dynamite taped near their scrotums, not all Buddhists refrain from jerkin' one out now and again.
 

Remaining grounded in reality is something I agree with. It is good to point out our similarities. You, Lucca, Libertylover and I have much in common. My part of this discussion was not to imply anyone is a bigot. I was trying to show that believing the clear governmental lies about Muslims might be a tad ignorant. We all have a lot in common with the average Muslim person and it would be cool if we all could see that. There is no need to hate an entire group for the actions of a few radicals.

I make it a point to do the exact opposite of what the forces of government are steering me towards. They want me to hate Muslims, well I will embrace them as brothers. We kind of are, as we both share a common enemy.  For me, it has nothing to do with rooting for the underdog.

[hellbilly]

I have no proposals for solution, other than to remain grounded in reality. Everyone knows that there are perfectly loving and harmless people of all religions, goes without saying. Not all Catholic priests bugger the little fellas in the congregation, not all Christian Identity folks are scouting the wilderness for black folks to hang, not all Muslims have dynamite taped near their scrotums, not all Buddhists refrain from jerkin' one out now and again.
 

Remaining grounded in reality is something I agree with. It is good to point out our similarities. You, Lucca, Libertylover and I have much in common. My part of this discussion was not to imply anyone is a bigot. I was trying to show that believing the clear governmental lies about Muslims might be a tad ignorant. We all have a lot in common with the average Muslim person and it would be cool if we all could see that. There is no need to hate an entire group for the actions of a few radicals.

I make it a point to do the exact opposite of what the forces of government are steering me towards. They want me to hate Muslims, well I will embrace them as brothers. We kind of are, as we both share a common enemy.  For me, it has nothing to do with rooting for the underdog.

Cool.

I hear a lot about tolerance, acceptance, etc. from the gov. The gov. uses "Terrerissts" and "Extremissts" to stoke up the fear needed to keep that support coming for the wars. Sometimes you'll read "Muslim Extremists" or something, but the overall picture presented is that Muslims in general are good peeps. I think that's probably true, but I also think that their religion is the huge, unstable core of their existence, which makes for unstable mentalities, which leads to people who are easily brainwashed.. blah blah you know what I mean.

In the headlines today I read stories of 2 Americans on trial for doing their part to defend Islam (...and what exactly does Islam need defending from anyway?). I read the stories and thought I should mention here, that even though lately there seems to be a few Americans active in their personal little privileged jihads- that doesn't mean I think all Americans are prone to taking part in that nonsense. Lucca probably thinks the same way (correct me here dude) but he's being even more blunt that I am.

[blackie]

the overall picture presented is that Muslims in general are good peeps. I think that's probably true

Whatever, they are sleepers. Those people are just waiting to chimp out.

[Riddler]

In the headlines today I read stories of 2 Americans on trial for doing their part to defend Islam 

a few Americans active in their personal little privileged jihads- that doesn't mean I think all Americans are prone to taking part in that nonsense.

yes hb.
thanks, as always, for the level-headed input (at a premium around here, i'm afraid)
i think you speak of, for one, ''jihad jane'' larose from pennsylvania....
she was one of the wackos conspring to kill the swedish cartoonist..
so, even tho a white, blond-haired american, the underlying catalyst would be?.......
wait for it.................................................
islam.

[hellbilly]

In the headlines today I read stories of 2 Americans on trial for doing their part to defend Islam 

a few Americans active in their personal little privileged jihads- that doesn't mean I think all Americans are prone to taking part in that nonsense.

yes hb.
thanks, as always, for the level-headed input (at a premium around here, i'm afraid)
i think you speak of, for one, ''jihad jane'' larose from pennsylvania....
she was one of the wackos conspring to kill the swedish cartoonist..
so, even tho a white, blond-haired american, the underlying catalyst would be?.......
wait for it.................................................
islam.

Thanks hombre.

I'm beginning to wonder though.. is it really about Islam?

In her case I think it may be another instance where a white person is desperate to join up with a cause. Some people become impassioned to Save the Whales, protect the Earth from Climate Change, etc. Civil Rights is soo 1990's that it doesn't bring quite the emotional reward that is once did for this sort of person.

It gets back to the "underdog" thing. Black folks can't really claim that title any longer. They're still a minority of the population, but they seem to make up about 80% of pop culture, 90% of pro sports, etc. So now it's Muslims who are perceived as having the underdog status.

It must be quite a dizzying quandary that white bleeding-hearts find themselves in these days.. how to decide which group to crusade for. On that note.. here's a puzzler for ya..

If black men (I chose this group only because they have been considered underdogs, who these white folks have crusaded for, for so long) were to begin treating their women the way Muslim treat theirs, OH HELL NAW.. that would be WRONG! But somehow a lot of folks are charmed by the idea of carving out a niche for that sort of culture right here in the Global Heartland, USofA. A society simply cannot maintain two groups who are considered equally underdogged.

As a bleeding-heart melanin deprived individual intent on joining the most trendy cause of the generation, how would one chose to extract themselves from such a imbroglio?

[Harry Tuttle]

Look. I don't think much of Islam. It seems like they are wound tight like the hardcore fundamentalist christians. In fact, last night I stumbled across a show on HBO, I think, about Afghan Idol - or some crap. They were going on about how this contestant who danced when she was eliminated from the show was in mortal danger if she returned to her home town. I saw this twisted dude preaching to his congregation - or whatever - talking about her dishonor, etc. I would like nothing better than to see this guy and his ilk go play with a toaster in the bathtub. Still, we could exchange stories about evil in the world all day, every day. I agree that muslims give the impression that they don't like teh human beinz.

My point is, I don't care what percentage of world evil is done by muslims or by people who pray every day or by people who don't eat pork, or by people who are offended by the bottom of a show shoe or whatever the fetish. Can we just let it go and do something about the one group of people who is actually a threat to liberty and prosperity in North America?

[libertylover]

Again zero proof that all of the 157 billion Muslims in the world or even the majority of them have been involved in any of the stories you are passing around.  You don't even question the reasons why you are being manipulated to hate an entire group of people.

Rushdie's book was garbage and would have gotten him zero attention if he had not said something incite controversy.  And just like the fundies that protest movies which are supposedly unChristian all it ever does is publicize the object of their protest.  And now that the one (1) who put out the hit is dead no one has re-instated it.  So where are throngs of irrational radical Muslims who would kill Rushdie?  If Rushdie thought his life was in serious danger why is out and about now?  Wouldn't he still be in hiding?  And again it was one person who put out the hit who was using his religion as the reason and not all the Muslims in the world.  Logically if 157 billion people want you dead you are not going to enjoy 30 years of life regardless of your security. 

I agree with Harry Tuttle the radical Muslims do seem wound to tight just like fundamentalist Christians.  And you are going to find examples of crazy behavior from radicals in any group.  However, I think that the media makes it seem like Muslims don't like people.  I have Muslim neighbors and friends and they are not evil people who are just looking for excuses to feel insulted.  But I also have neighbors and friends who represent several different religions and ethnic groups.   I try to look at the individual and not the group to which they belong.

[Riddler]

hey , guess who's behind this?


Subway Blasts Kill Dozens in Moscow

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/world/europe/30moscow.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw

[Riddler]

 And now that the one (1) who put out the hit is dead no one has re-instated it.  So where are throngs of irrational radical Muslims who would kill Rushdie?  

I agree with Harry Tuttle the radical Muslims do seem wound to tight just like fundamentalist Christians.  

i love how you sugarcoat muslim extremism, as though its on par with ''other religious extremists''.
not even close.
btw, even your downplay of the rushdie thing shows your true colors:

''The publication of the book and the fatwā sparked violence around the world, with bookstores firebombed. Muslim communities in several nations in the West held public rallies in which copies of the book were burned. Several people associated with translating or publishing the book were attacked, seriously injured, and even killed.[23] Many more people died in riots in Third World countries.

On 24 September 1998, as a precondition to the restoration of diplomatic relations with Britain, the Iranian government, then headed by Mohammad Khatami, gave a public commitment that it would "neither support nor hinder assassination operations on Rushdie."[24][25]

Hardliners in Iran have continued to reaffirm the death sentence.[26] In early 2005, Khomeini's fatwā was reaffirmed by Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a message to Muslim pilgrims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca.[27] Additionally, the Revolutionary Guards have declared that the death sentence on him is still valid.....''

[davann]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

I've decided that I might try to post an example of the side's lunatic fringe every time you post one from the lunatic Muslim side.

Of course, I will get bored quickly and might not be very fast in responding.

[ForumTroll]

The WBC doesn't go around blowing people up.