MST3K

[Riddler]

Oh really?

Ramhorn Thunderpunch.

Thats right.

You'll never beat that.  Never.

Dick Army (left the ''e'' out for cool factor)
(real-life politician dude)

[The Green Bastard]

BIG MCLARGEHUGE

You win

[Riddler]

i dunno......
HUGH G. RECTION???
anyone?
bueller?
anyone?

[The Green Bastard]

This will help


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[John Shaw]

Here, now non fans can know what we're talking about -

MST-3k - Space Mutiny - The many names of David Ryder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY

[cavalier973]

The first episode recorded by a fan (it's the 4th episode in the series)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ1RqiLkF1Q


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[cavalier973]

My wife's favorite:

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[YixilTesiphon]

(Kirk 4 Lyfe Also)

Really? I'm not even done with the first season of TNG, but Picard already seems way more enjoyable than Kirk.

[Riddler]

(Kirk 4 Lyfe Also)

Really? I'm not even done with the first season of TNG, but Picard already seems way more enjoyable than Kirk.

you heathen, you
nobody can hold a candle to wm. shatners acting chops...
you......are.......absolutely..........mad

[YixilTesiphon]

Kirk just seemed like such a douche, even when he was the hero. Picard's just awkward, which I empathize with.

[Riddler]

Kirk just seemed like such a douche, even when he was the hero. Picard's just awkward, which I empathize with.

he WAS a douchebag, on & off the set, apparently.
they have geo. takei on howard stern show quite a bit & he's talked at length about what a primadonna, shatner was.
the cast that has written books mentions this as well.

[YixilTesiphon]

Kirk just seemed like such a douche, even when he was the hero. Picard's just awkward, which I empathize with.

he WAS a douchebag, on & off the set, apparently.
they have geo. takei on howard stern show quite a bit & he's talked at length about what a primadonna, shatner was.
the cast that has written books mentions this as well.

Yeah, my wife and I are such huge nerds that we bought all the casts' books.

Also, Bill Shatner now serves as a spokesman for some plaintiff's attorney firm in Houston.

[cavalier973]

I can't believe that you are hijacking an mst3k thread to have a meaningless discussion about the relative worth of two fictional starship captains.  But since I'm on the subject, it seems to me that Kirk is "the lover and the fighter" type captain (the jock), while Picard is "the thinker/strategist" type captain (the nerd).  Kirk, I suspect, represents the type of guy "The Great Bird" probably wanted to be, while Picard represents the type of guy that could actually become a starfleet captain in the first place.  Probably TNG is more enjoyable because it's more recent and therefore the culture represented is more accessible.

Which reminds me of a complaint I had about Star Trek: First Contact, which I watched recently on hulu.com.  One of the characters "in the past" queries Capt. Picard about money, and he responds that they don't use money in the future, that "the economics has changed" and people only seek to better themselves and mankind generally (or something like that).  Beginning with the axiomatic principles that resources are limited but human wants are unlimited, I would like to hear which principle was "solved"; did they find a way to acquire unlimited resources, or did they find some way to change human nature whereby people limited their own wants.  It's no good saying "they did a little of both", because if resources are even just a little bit limited, then there must be an allocation process, and even if people were reconditioned to be of the "no, you take the last piece of pie" mentality, the slightly limited resources must still be allocated in some way that makes sense.

Star Trek is a farce, anyway; the idea that "noble scientists" zip through the galaxy on a quest of pure scientific data gathering is not reflective of human nature.  What will most likely happen is that "trilithium" will be discovered, and Capt. Kirk will be a merchant captain, rushing around on space trading missions.  Firefly is more realistic when it comes to human motivations for space travel.

[John Shaw]

My logic -

Kirk - Individualist, rugged, cowboy type who takes no shit and wins the day by being right when everyone else thinks that he's wrong. If something needs to be done, he just goes down and does it, and drags his favorite friends with him. Tends toward arrogant indifference. He fucking likes poon and has no problem tapping some while he's on bidness. Sits with knees apart like a real man. Gets to tap Joan Collins and green bitches.



Picard - Team player, diplomat, cautious type who waits until all opinions are heard before making a decision, which usually happens to be the right one. If something needs to be done, he delegates an away team and doesn't participate because it violates some stupid rule. Tends toward paternalism. He accepts that poon is necessary but is quite choosy about his dalliances. Sits with legs crossed like a ladyboy. Maybe tapped Gates McFadden and some other single mothers.



The personalities of the respective actors don't color my view of the characters.

I don't hate Picard, and he's surely a classier dude, but Kirk is definitely the dude I could go fucking chill with and wouldn't resent being my boss. And if you count the new movie, the dude listens to the fuckin' Beastie Boys. Picard prolly listened to The Smiths or some shit.


As for the STTNG bullshit logic of scarcity and lack of money, they are a bunch of dirty socialists and because we're in make believe land, socialism works. There's some half assed justification about replicators getting rid of scarcity, but whatever.

[voodoo]

FYI, google video has a large selection of full MST3K episodes from all seasons.  I've been enjoying them (and thanking whoever uploaded them) for some time now.

Shorts rule.