More Heeby-Jeeby Jew Talk-----I'll add to the fray-----the arrogance of the jew

[Riddler]

If you really want to know what happened, you should visit credible sources of information such as Wikipedia:

...WRITTEN BY A JEW, NO DOUBT

[avshae]

...so, i guess eyewitness statements, contrary to your ''facts'',  made by survivors are fabrications?

Witnesses were accounted for in both the American and Israeli investigations.

An eye-witness can only testify to what he saw, and nobody is denying that the IAF attacked the USS Liberty. No eye-witness can claim he knows of any deliberate intention on part of Israel. The attack is widely recognized to have been an error.

Add to that the fact that often eye-witnesses are biased due to their emotional involvement in events. A woman who was mugged may sometimes point out an innocent guy in a lineup because she is trying to help catch the mugger who attacked her. Likewise I suppose a sailor injured by the attack might not like the Israelis very much. Why even the Israeli ground-troops have sediments at the armored core for having erroneously killed soldiers in friendly-fire incidents.

[blackie]

An eye-witness can only testify to what he saw, and nobody is denying that the IAF attacked the USS Liberty. No eye-witness can claim he knows of any deliberate intention on part of Israel. The attack is widely recognized to have been an error.

What about the claim about the use of unmarked jets?

Add to that the fact that often eye-witnesses are biased due to their emotional involvement in events.

Does that hold true for holocaust surviors as well?

[blackie]

If you really want to know what happened, you should visit credible sources of information such as Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Wikipedia isn't a credible source of information.

And "if-Americans-knew" is?

No, that is one of the worst places to use as a source.

[blackie]

Anyway, I don't think Israel would have done it without the OK of the US.

[Bill Brasky]

Anyway, I don't think Israel would have done it without the OK of the US.

[TimeLady Victorious]

[avshae]

If you really want to know what happened, you should visit credible sources of information such as Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Wikipedia isn't a credible source of information.

And "if-Americans-knew" is?

No, that is one of the worst places to use as a source.

So which source/s should we use? Surely you would agree with me that the structured neutral review process involving multiple participants in Wikipedia makes it a credible source, especially in comparison to propaganda sites such as "if-americans-knew-NOT". Although there were complaints on abuse of Wikipedia in its beginning, it seems the act is straight now.

[avshae]

Anyway, I don't think Israel would have done it without the OK of the US.

Ooh. Double conspiracy theory. But the US would have to get OK from the Elders of Zion wouldn't they? Triple CT. And what about Bin-Laden was he also behind the scenes? Perhaps Queen could contribute a CT flowchart of the Liberty incident too to clear things up?

[avshae]

An eye-witness can only testify to what he saw, and nobody is denying that the IAF attacked the USS Liberty. No eye-witness can claim he knows of any deliberate intention on part of Israel. The attack is widely recognized to have been an error.

What about the claim about the use of unmarked jets?

Perhaps they really saw unmarked jets, perhaps they just didn't see the marks that were there. Perhaps the planes were in front of the sun, who knows. Anyway nobody has ever denied that the planes were Israeli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Some American survivors of the attack assert that the Israeli aircraft were unmarked. However, aircraft markings are not required by the laws of war and two of the attacking aircraft were highly distinctive Dassault Mirage III aircraft, flown only by Israel in that region.

Add to that the fact that often eye-witnesses are biased due to their emotional involvement in events.

Does that hold true for holocaust surviors as well?

Lets not go off-topic here, but I agree that eye-witness testimonials, in the holocaust as well, should be considered among additional evidence due to this vulnerability. That is why holocaust testimonials should, and indeed are, supported and verified by other methods such as documentation, media, findings on the ground, and additional unrelated witnesses. I wouldn't ask a holocaust survivor how many Jews were killed or whether the Nazis really intended to exterminate the Jewish people, since he/she is not individually qualified to testify on such matters. But I would ask him what camp he was in, what happened to him, how many people can he confirm gassed or mass-machine-gunned and how he escaped a similar fate. And once verified using additional sources, I would consider it a credible testimony.

[blackie]

Anyway, I don't think Israel would have done it without the OK of the US.

Ooh. Double conspiracy theory. But the US would have to get OK from the Elders of Zion wouldn't they? Triple CT. And what about Bin-Laden was he also behind the scenes? Perhaps Queen could contribute a CT flowchart of the Liberty incident too to clear things up?

I just don't see Israel making that big of a mistake, for that long.

[Bill Brasky]

Anyway, I don't think Israel would have done it without the OK of the US.

Ooh. Double conspiracy theory. But the US would have to get OK from the Elders of Zion wouldn't they? Triple CT. And what about Bin-Laden was he also behind the scenes? Perhaps Queen could contribute a CT flowchart of the Liberty incident too to clear things up?

Don't show your ignorance, you were doing pretty well up 'til now. 

If you want to have any credibility, you have to look at the whole thing without being a cheerleader.  I'm not defending the Liberty because it's an American ship, but because it was a neutral vessel in open water.  Macnamara and Israel had a plan to involve the US in their skirmish, and the plan was to - probably - blame Egypt for sinking it, which would explain Israel getting hawkish and flying around, blowing shit up.  US comes in, deploys troops, invades the Med with a few dozen battleships, and Israel successfully fights whatever fight they were trying to instigate.  I'm assuming it was an Egypt/Gaza border thing.  I honestly don't know or care enough to look.

Problem was, they were unsuccessful in sinking the Liberty, and the maydays went out on channels, too many people got involved.  They fucked it up.  If that ship woulda been sunk, history would be completely different in that region.  We probably woulda cleaned house in Gaza for them, saying they were insurgents, rebels, whatever, like we're doing in Iraq right now.  So-called stabilizing the region. 

An eye-witness can only testify to what he saw, and nobody is denying that the IAF attacked the USS Liberty. No eye-witness can claim he knows of any deliberate intention on part of Israel. The attack is widely recognized to have been an error.

What about the claim about the use of unmarked jets?

Perhaps they really saw unmarked jets, perhaps they just didn't see the marks that were there. Perhaps the planes were in front of the sun, who knows. Anyway nobody has ever denied that the planes were Israeli.

If the shipmen say they were unmarked, they were unmarked.  They pound that stuff into their brain, planes are ships foes.  Those guys can identify a ship or plane at ridiculous distances. 

War jets are clearly marked to prevent friendly-fire accidents, and have a similar policy to markings that uniforms have on a battlefield.  Removing the markings is a no-no towards international policy, and usually means they are doing something dirty.  Kinda like how commandos remove all their army shit including dogtags if they're doing black-ops. 

[nefarious plot]

The men that were there have spoken. You can give us all the bullshit you want. Call it a boat full of anti Semites LMFAO. Wont work. There is no debate about the reality. It was a deliberate attack, period.

Oh yeah ,As far as the Library. I live in that community was around for the issues. The article doesn't tell half the story. Active duty Naval personnel were forbidden by Bush Sr admin from Attending the ceremony 150 did anyway along with 100 independent some prior service and 4 American Legion Posts 1 Veteran of Foreign wars posts worth of other Veterans attended. All of varying political outlooks all disgusted and bitter by the orders of the Navy not to attend. Guys in my VFW post that make Limbaugh sound tame were pissed. They are far from "Anti-Isreal" they are much less supportive now.

[Riddler]

also, ashvae hasn't answered the bullshit israeli lie, that the liberty wasn't flying her colors.
triple bullshit.
the orig flag/mast got destroyed, so they put up a BIGGER replacement..
jew lies, all of it, w/ complicity of the u.s. govt.

[nefarious plot]

The Liberty was 1/3rd the size of the ship the Israelis claim they mistook her for. There is no possible way they can make that mistake for the length of time of the attack.

As to money paid. Ive heard nothing of that. And Even if true, so fucking what. People don't have a price.

There has never been an inquiry. Thats a flat out lie.

And theres nothing credible about wikipedia in the slightest. The men who were there and there Field CO's are the truth of this matter all know it was deliberate