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Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« on: December 27, 2010, 09:23:41 PM »

I consider FTL and the people that are involved in its orbit:  Sam, Ridley, Dale, etc. to be the face of the liberty movement in NH to the rest of the country.  As such, it should be more careful about which people and causes that it champions.  Why?  If I perceive the liberty movement as filled with people like Ed and Momma Ally, it's not a movement that I want to be associated with.

So what's wrong with Momma?  To put it as nicely as I can, she's white trash.  She should lay off the hair dye.  Learn grammar and spelling.  While I am a huge proponent of homeschooling (both of my children are homeschooled), it frightens me that her daughter is homeschooled.  She needs to lay off the racial slurs and "tough girl" talk.  Skipping out on bail that someone donated for you and putting yourself in positions to get arrested when you are a single mom are stupid moves.  

Posting her mom's phone number all over the place and calling up a national radio show to get people to harass her is horrible.  What other choices were there for her daughter? A foster home?  We don't know anything about her mom, but Ian was more than willing to let Momma give out her phone number.  

Ugh....
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2010, 06:40:11 AM »

You want a Liberty movement full of saints?
Ever had people take your kids? You take the gloves off and fight. Mama Ally was in character, her hair might not really be that light colored but she seems real enough to me. Real people are not saints. If you read between the lines few people are, including the faces you recommend.
Sam is a brilliant spokesman, but believes in a lot of weird stuff most don't care about.
Meg is pretty and thoughtful, but tends to exaggerate.
Ian is a liberty proponent machine, but his stubbornness tends to get him in trouble he doesn't need or really want.
Mark is awesome, but what a past.
Ridley is a brilliant documentarian, but can be a bit silly sometimes.
Mr. Goddard puts a nice temperate face on the FSP, but....well hell he probably just agrees with you but I don't.
Dalebert is the guy I want to explain to idiot conservatives why gays shouldn't be ostracised, but man he can be gross sometimes.
Judgementalism is something I left behind when I bought the NAP.
Besides if everybody was flawless and the same we wouldn't need or want liberty.
We would move to Mormon communities.

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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2010, 09:50:24 AM »

I consider FTL and the people that are involved in its orbit: [...] to be the face of the liberty movement in NH to the rest of the country.
Yes, that makes it tough for me to continue my AMP sometimes.

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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2010, 03:14:53 PM »

I consider FTL and the people that are involved in its orbit: [...] to be the face of the liberty movement in NH to the rest of the country.
Yes, that makes it tough for me to continue my AMP sometimes.


I think this came up before. :-)

You know, I often do agree with your exceptions to what goes on with Keene...and particularly the broadcasting of it...hence the infamous after-the-show reading of my no-longer-AMPing email...but the tone could stand improvement.

Watch this brilliant segue:

That's what bugs me about this thread.  I've thought the same things about Momma Ally, to a large extent--especially with regard to jumping bail and going out of her way to antagonize the thugs (though I must have missed the bigotry.)  Still, it's difficult for me to be too outspoken about how other people choose to be active, and it's really off-putting to dwell on how much smarter one is than the person one is discussing, as well.  In the end, I come full circle to the show, and the impressions it creates.

On that topic, I'd say my complaints about the show have been addressed, whether inadvertently (because there's not much going on in Keene since summer) or deliberately (because maybe they've been a bit more conservative in what they talk about and how) or both.  I'm not sure, but I'd probably be AMPing once again if I was working again (which just might be soon.)
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 09:05:01 PM »

You want a Liberty movement full of saints?
Ever had people take your kids? You take the gloves off and fight. Mama Ally was in character, her hair might not really be that light colored but she seems real enough to me. Real people are not saints. If you read between the lines few people are, including the faces you recommend.

I'm not suggesting that we should have a liberty movement full of saints.  But I don't consider Momma Ally as part of the liberty movement.  Momma Ally's main objective is to take care of Momma Ally.  As for her kids (does she have more than one?), how do we know that she didn't "take" them first?  Are her children property?  What was supposed to happen with them when Momma went to jail?

I think that FTL aggressed against her mom by allowing Ally to give out her phone number with instructions to harass mom.  This is going to sound judgmental, but I was raised in an environment much like what I imagine Momma's household is like: chaotic, dirty, and narcissistic.  It seems to be all about Momma.  Could it be that Momma's mom is a really great person and had a daughter stuck in a rebellious adolescence and saw an opportunity to take the grandkids out of a bad situation?  Maybe the reason that dad hasn't been a part of their lives for 6 years is because Momma wouldn't let him by using the force of the state.  He seemed to be very interested in being involved in their lives at the first opportunity; and it's not like he's going to get money out of Momma.

Momma seems to run into a lot of trouble and wants to blame it on everyone else:  her friends that abandon her, the state, her mom, the police, her ex-husband, and the public school system for not teaching her to not jump bail.  

You mentioned several other people that I also mentioned in my original post.  The common thread among all of those people is that they want to further the liberty movement.  I listened to Dale's night on FTL that was really disgusting, I stopped listening after about 25 minutes because it got so bad.  But after that night, Dale pretty much cut it out.  Dale knows that the liberty movement is bigger than him.  This is true for the rest of the people that you mentioned.  Their quirkiness makes them interesting to listen to, but they have a goal of forwarding the movement.  
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2010, 10:40:57 PM »

Momma's a side attraction though, not even close to being a contender. Other than her being outspoken enough to call in to the show, she's probably similar to many other people on the outer edges of the "movement". You're bound to get all sorts, so deal with it. Exclude the truly bad, but accepting the differences between the many is a good idea.

Would Momma be someone you feel like you could rely on in a pinch? She does to me. She also seems like someone who wouldn't take much shit from people who've tried to take advantage of her.

Is she so evil that she should be ostracized, even though her opinions (probably.. maybe) fall in place with yours in 90% of the issues?

Regarding the harassment.. that's ultra-low form to me. Definitely a bad move. But that doesn't cancel out her good qualities.
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 11:21:47 PM »

Is she so evil that she should be ostracized, even though her opinions (probably.. maybe) fall in place with yours in 90% of the issues?

How come the 10% that I really only care about always has to be marginalized?

Also, 97.43% of statistics are made up on the spot.  See Goddard.
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2010, 11:58:12 PM »

Momma's a side attraction though, not even close to being a contender. Other than her being outspoken enough to call in to the show, she's probably similar to many other people on the outer edges of the "movement". You're bound to get all sorts, so deal with it. Exclude the truly bad, but accepting the differences between the many is a good idea.

Would Momma be someone you feel like you could rely on in a pinch? She does to me. She also seems like someone who wouldn't take much shit from people who've tried to take advantage of her.

Is she so evil that she should be ostracized, even though her opinions (probably.. maybe) fall in place with yours in 90% of the issues?

Regarding the harassment.. that's ultra-low form to me. Definitely a bad move. But that doesn't cancel out her good qualities.

I really don't think you could rely on her in a pinch.  She didn't even show up for her court date when someone else bailed her out.  She doesn't seem to consider how her actions affect the others around her: her children, her employees, etc.   

I'm not part of the Momma Ally movement, so her opinions don't fall in place with mine 90% of the time.  But.....my issue really isn't with Momma Ally.  My issue is with FTL for being such a proponent of her and supporting her harassment of another person.  FTL and the liberty movement in NH will lose credibility if it makes too many mistakes on whom to support in their struggles against authority.

To use the civil rights movement as an example:  Rosa Parks refusing to sit at the back of the bus was not some random event.  She was specifically chosen to engage in that protest because of how it would look to people outside of the South.  The actions of the civil rights movement were coordinated in advance with a plan based on how the authorities were expected to react.  I see some of that in how the civil disobedience is handled in Keene.  The City Council Drinking Game was near perfect...if only they could have found a kindly grandmother to take part. 
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2010, 03:42:24 AM »

Looked to me like she was pretty much blindsided by the whole arrest. I don't think she realized what would happen.
Someones going to have to explain to me how bail bondsmen, with their symbiotic relationship with the state and absurdly high bails, and bounty hunters, helping the state hunt down law breakers who harmed no one, became the good guys. I don't get it.
I have stated it before, I personally like the diversity of the type of people in the liberty movement.
I want a liberty movement where a transvestite and a biker and a redneck and a gang banger, all have a cup of coffee and smoke in a agorist coffee shop built off the waiting room of the local brothel/car wash named "Wash and Blow" discussing the merits of gold vs. silver to be used as a currency to pay for the coffee, before they all go to the shooting range to blow up some water barrel because all but the biker like to use full auto, before they pick up their children off to the side of the gun range at the safest day care outside of a bear cave.
That sounds sweet.

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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 05:08:26 AM »

Looked to me like she was pretty much blindsided by the whole arrest. I don't think she realized what would happen.
Someones going to have to explain to me how bail bondsmen, with their symbiotic relationship with the state and absurdly high bails, and bounty hunters, helping the state hunt down law breakers who harmed no one, became the good guys. I don't get it.
I have stated it before, I personally like the diversity of the type of people in the liberty movement.
I want a liberty movement where a transvestite and a biker and a redneck and a gang banger, all have a cup of coffee and smoke in a agorist coffee shop built off the waiting room of the local brothel/car wash named "Wash and Blow" discussing the merits of gold vs. silver to be used as a currency to pay for the coffee, before they all go to the shooting range to blow up some water barrel because all but the biker like to use full auto, before they pick up their children off to the side of the gun range at the safest day care outside of a bear cave.
That sounds sweet.

Amen Tom,  that place would be paradise, and one day it will exist.

As for Momma being upset, get your kid taken away from you and see how you feel ahasp.
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2010, 08:04:54 AM »

Looked to me like she was pretty much blindsided by the whole arrest. I don't think she realized what would happen.
Ummm... all of the "Agora" hipsters should expect to be imprisoned on any given day.
Just as with, say, drug dealers. Doesn't make the law moral or good; but it's a bit much to act surprised when the arrest finally happens.

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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2010, 08:24:11 AM »

That's just it (Mama Ally a "hipster", come on) She was arrested over the camera thing. It's the oldest law enforcement trick in the book. You can't stop a activity you can't justifyably stop, you catch them at something else. Al Capone, Julian Assange, and so on they are never ready for that BS and it distracts from the real issue. The State uses these dirty tactics against someone and many in the liberty movement are trying to bury her. Pretty sad man.

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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2010, 10:47:54 PM »

Momma Ally is a hero. Her strategy of underground restaurant delivery will spread I am sure and her actions already have already given the strength to many other businesses to start working in the agorist market.
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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 10:06:53 AM »

I am sure and her actions already have already given the strength to many other businesses
Name one.

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Re: Momma Ally is the new Ed Brown
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 11:32:55 AM »

This has been a tough year for me. Between impractical (from my jobs POV) lay offs I have been trying to start a black market based company. At only a couple of week bursts and taking care of a toddler at the same time I haven't gotten to far but I am learning a lot through trial and error and I am frankly proud of what I learned so far. I used Tarrin Lupo's educational report on agorism as a point of reference to get me started (I can't find the podcast these days but it was on the liberty conspiracy). At the very least Mama Ally was used as a reference on that podcast.
So...me.
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