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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: ahasp on December 27, 2010, 09:23:41 PM
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I consider FTL and the people that are involved in its orbit: Sam, Ridley, Dale, etc. to be the face of the liberty movement in NH to the rest of the country. As such, it should be more careful about which people and causes that it champions. Why? If I perceive the liberty movement as filled with people like Ed and Momma Ally, it's not a movement that I want to be associated with.
So what's wrong with Momma? To put it as nicely as I can, she's white trash. She should lay off the hair dye. Learn grammar and spelling. While I am a huge proponent of homeschooling (both of my children are homeschooled), it frightens me that her daughter is homeschooled. She needs to lay off the racial slurs and "tough girl" talk. Skipping out on bail that someone donated for you and putting yourself in positions to get arrested when you are a single mom are stupid moves.
Posting her mom's phone number all over the place and calling up a national radio show to get people to harass her is horrible. What other choices were there for her daughter? A foster home? We don't know anything about her mom, but Ian was more than willing to let Momma give out her phone number.
Ugh....
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You want a Liberty movement full of saints?
Ever had people take your kids? You take the gloves off and fight. Mama Ally was in character, her hair might not really be that light colored but she seems real enough to me. Real people are not saints. If you read between the lines few people are, including the faces you recommend.
Sam is a brilliant spokesman, but believes in a lot of weird stuff most don't care about.
Meg is pretty and thoughtful, but tends to exaggerate.
Ian is a liberty proponent machine, but his stubbornness tends to get him in trouble he doesn't need or really want.
Mark is awesome, but what a past.
Ridley is a brilliant documentarian, but can be a bit silly sometimes.
Mr. Goddard puts a nice temperate face on the FSP, but....well hell he probably just agrees with you but I don't.
Dalebert is the guy I want to explain to idiot conservatives why gays shouldn't be ostracised, but man he can be gross sometimes.
Judgementalism is something I left behind when I bought the NAP.
Besides if everybody was flawless and the same we wouldn't need or want liberty.
We would move to Mormon communities.
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I consider FTL and the people that are involved in its orbit: [...] to be the face of the liberty movement in NH to the rest of the country.
Yes, that makes it tough for me to continue my AMP sometimes.
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I consider FTL and the people that are involved in its orbit: [...] to be the face of the liberty movement in NH to the rest of the country.
Yes, that makes it tough for me to continue my AMP sometimes.
I think this came up before. :-)
You know, I often do agree with your exceptions to what goes on with Keene...and particularly the broadcasting of it...hence the infamous after-the-show reading of my no-longer-AMPing email...but the tone could stand improvement.
Watch this brilliant segue:
That's what bugs me about this thread. I've thought the same things about Momma Ally, to a large extent--especially with regard to jumping bail and going out of her way to antagonize the thugs (though I must have missed the bigotry.) Still, it's difficult for me to be too outspoken about how other people choose to be active, and it's really off-putting to dwell on how much smarter one is than the person one is discussing, as well. In the end, I come full circle to the show, and the impressions it creates.
On that topic, I'd say my complaints about the show have been addressed, whether inadvertently (because there's not much going on in Keene since summer) or deliberately (because maybe they've been a bit more conservative in what they talk about and how) or both. I'm not sure, but I'd probably be AMPing once again if I was working again (which just might be soon.)
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You want a Liberty movement full of saints?
Ever had people take your kids? You take the gloves off and fight. Mama Ally was in character, her hair might not really be that light colored but she seems real enough to me. Real people are not saints. If you read between the lines few people are, including the faces you recommend.
I'm not suggesting that we should have a liberty movement full of saints. But I don't consider Momma Ally as part of the liberty movement. Momma Ally's main objective is to take care of Momma Ally. As for her kids (does she have more than one?), how do we know that she didn't "take" them first? Are her children property? What was supposed to happen with them when Momma went to jail?
I think that FTL aggressed against her mom by allowing Ally to give out her phone number with instructions to harass mom. This is going to sound judgmental, but I was raised in an environment much like what I imagine Momma's household is like: chaotic, dirty, and narcissistic. It seems to be all about Momma. Could it be that Momma's mom is a really great person and had a daughter stuck in a rebellious adolescence and saw an opportunity to take the grandkids out of a bad situation? Maybe the reason that dad hasn't been a part of their lives for 6 years is because Momma wouldn't let him by using the force of the state. He seemed to be very interested in being involved in their lives at the first opportunity; and it's not like he's going to get money out of Momma.
Momma seems to run into a lot of trouble and wants to blame it on everyone else: her friends that abandon her, the state, her mom, the police, her ex-husband, and the public school system for not teaching her to not jump bail.
You mentioned several other people that I also mentioned in my original post. The common thread among all of those people is that they want to further the liberty movement. I listened to Dale's night on FTL that was really disgusting, I stopped listening after about 25 minutes because it got so bad. But after that night, Dale pretty much cut it out. Dale knows that the liberty movement is bigger than him. This is true for the rest of the people that you mentioned. Their quirkiness makes them interesting to listen to, but they have a goal of forwarding the movement.
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Momma's a side attraction though, not even close to being a contender. Other than her being outspoken enough to call in to the show, she's probably similar to many other people on the outer edges of the "movement". You're bound to get all sorts, so deal with it. Exclude the truly bad, but accepting the differences between the many is a good idea.
Would Momma be someone you feel like you could rely on in a pinch? She does to me. She also seems like someone who wouldn't take much shit from people who've tried to take advantage of her.
Is she so evil that she should be ostracized, even though her opinions (probably.. maybe) fall in place with yours in 90% of the issues?
Regarding the harassment.. that's ultra-low form to me. Definitely a bad move. But that doesn't cancel out her good qualities.
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Is she so evil that she should be ostracized, even though her opinions (probably.. maybe) fall in place with yours in 90% of the issues?
How come the 10% that I really only care about always has to be marginalized?
Also, 97.43% of statistics are made up on the spot. See Goddard.
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Momma's a side attraction though, not even close to being a contender. Other than her being outspoken enough to call in to the show, she's probably similar to many other people on the outer edges of the "movement". You're bound to get all sorts, so deal with it. Exclude the truly bad, but accepting the differences between the many is a good idea.
Would Momma be someone you feel like you could rely on in a pinch? She does to me. She also seems like someone who wouldn't take much shit from people who've tried to take advantage of her.
Is she so evil that she should be ostracized, even though her opinions (probably.. maybe) fall in place with yours in 90% of the issues?
Regarding the harassment.. that's ultra-low form to me. Definitely a bad move. But that doesn't cancel out her good qualities.
I really don't think you could rely on her in a pinch. She didn't even show up for her court date when someone else bailed her out. She doesn't seem to consider how her actions affect the others around her: her children, her employees, etc.
I'm not part of the Momma Ally movement, so her opinions don't fall in place with mine 90% of the time. But.....my issue really isn't with Momma Ally. My issue is with FTL for being such a proponent of her and supporting her harassment of another person. FTL and the liberty movement in NH will lose credibility if it makes too many mistakes on whom to support in their struggles against authority.
To use the civil rights movement as an example: Rosa Parks refusing to sit at the back of the bus was not some random event. She was specifically chosen to engage in that protest because of how it would look to people outside of the South. The actions of the civil rights movement were coordinated in advance with a plan based on how the authorities were expected to react. I see some of that in how the civil disobedience is handled in Keene. The City Council Drinking Game was near perfect...if only they could have found a kindly grandmother to take part.
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Looked to me like she was pretty much blindsided by the whole arrest. I don't think she realized what would happen.
Someones going to have to explain to me how bail bondsmen, with their symbiotic relationship with the state and absurdly high bails, and bounty hunters, helping the state hunt down law breakers who harmed no one, became the good guys. I don't get it.
I have stated it before, I personally like the diversity of the type of people in the liberty movement.
I want a liberty movement where a transvestite and a biker and a redneck and a gang banger, all have a cup of coffee and smoke in a agorist coffee shop built off the waiting room of the local brothel/car wash named "Wash and Blow" discussing the merits of gold vs. silver to be used as a currency to pay for the coffee, before they all go to the shooting range to blow up some water barrel because all but the biker like to use full auto, before they pick up their children off to the side of the gun range at the safest day care outside of a bear cave.
That sounds sweet.
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Looked to me like she was pretty much blindsided by the whole arrest. I don't think she realized what would happen.
Someones going to have to explain to me how bail bondsmen, with their symbiotic relationship with the state and absurdly high bails, and bounty hunters, helping the state hunt down law breakers who harmed no one, became the good guys. I don't get it.
I have stated it before, I personally like the diversity of the type of people in the liberty movement.
I want a liberty movement where a transvestite and a biker and a redneck and a gang banger, all have a cup of coffee and smoke in a agorist coffee shop built off the waiting room of the local brothel/car wash named "Wash and Blow" discussing the merits of gold vs. silver to be used as a currency to pay for the coffee, before they all go to the shooting range to blow up some water barrel because all but the biker like to use full auto, before they pick up their children off to the side of the gun range at the safest day care outside of a bear cave.
That sounds sweet.
Amen Tom, that place would be paradise, and one day it will exist.
As for Momma being upset, get your kid taken away from you and see how you feel ahasp.
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Looked to me like she was pretty much blindsided by the whole arrest. I don't think she realized what would happen.
Ummm... all of the "Agora" hipsters should expect to be imprisoned on any given day.
Just as with, say, drug dealers. Doesn't make the law moral or good; but it's a bit much to act surprised when the arrest finally happens.
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That's just it (Mama Ally a "hipster", come on) She was arrested over the camera thing. It's the oldest law enforcement trick in the book. You can't stop a activity you can't justifyably stop, you catch them at something else. Al Capone, Julian Assange, and so on they are never ready for that BS and it distracts from the real issue. The State uses these dirty tactics against someone and many in the liberty movement are trying to bury her. Pretty sad man.
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Momma Ally is a hero. Her strategy of underground restaurant delivery will spread I am sure and her actions already have already given the strength to many other businesses to start working in the agorist market.
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I am sure and her actions already have already given the strength to many other businesses
Name one.
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This has been a tough year for me. Between impractical (from my jobs POV) lay offs I have been trying to start a black market based company. At only a couple of week bursts and taking care of a toddler at the same time I haven't gotten to far but I am learning a lot through trial and error and I am frankly proud of what I learned so far. I used Tarrin Lupo's educational report on agorism as a point of reference to get me started (I can't find the podcast these days but it was on the liberty conspiracy). At the very least Mama Ally was used as a reference on that podcast.
So...me.
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She has inspired me to take what business I have learned and apply it underground.
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Who is this Momma Ally and is she really a hippy? Like bell bottom jeans and flowers in her 5 day unwashed hair?
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Who is this Momma Ally and is she really a hippy? Like bell bottom jeans and flowers in her 5 day unwashed hair?
Momma Alley of "The Last Biscuit" an underground restaurant delivery business formerly located in Savannah.
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I am sure and her actions already have already given the strength to many other businesses
Name one.
Ever the optomist you are. The Baklava guy, freedomcam.net, everyone at agorist alley during porcfest, me - in that I only try to do business with people/organizations that take cash - re: I know they ain't reporting it to anyone. Don't start on politics either, at least not until I as a Canadian can move to NH without filling out any paperwork for any government, ever. Until that time I don't want to hear about politics beacuse until that time politics has done and will do squat for me. Whereas with Mandrake his baklava gets sent to a postal address in Florida then up to me in Canukistan, bypassing all the politial bullshit that has been put into place so that it has to happen on the blackmarket.
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The Baklava guy, freedomcam.net, everyone at agorist alley during porcfest
... all got started before the current drama.
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So, lets chuck everybody under the bus that shows any character flaw. No matter what they achieved or tried to do. Or why they might have said or did something out of desperation. This sort of back stabbing disloyalty and excusing cowardice and unwarranted ostracism will kill the liberty movement quick.
I have admitted before my statist past. What got me into the liberty movement was betrayal, I am sure I am not alone.*
Please quite going after the people beside you. The ones coming at you have no mercy or reason.
*Undeserved cop beat down.
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So, lets chuck everybody under the bus that shows any character flaw. No matter what they achieved or tried to do. Or why they might have said or did something out of desperation. This sort of back stabbing disloyalty and excusing cowardice and unwarranted ostracism will kill the liberty movement quick.
I have admitted before my statist past. What got me into the liberty movement was betrayal, I am sure I am not alone.*
Please quite going after the people beside you. The ones coming at you have no mercy or reason.
*Undeserved cop beat down.
well said! backstabbing is just not cool!
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So, lets chuck everybody under the bus that shows any character flaw.
How many times does the destructive behavior have to repeat before it becomes more than a "flaw".
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So, lets chuck everybody under the bus that shows any character flaw.
How many times does the destructive behavior have to repeat before it becomes more than a "flaw".
How offensive does the behavior have to be before I'm permitted to sever and/or ostracize? Who determines the level, and who's offensiveness scale am I required to use?
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You can ostracise personally anyone you want.
Spreading rumors and causing people to prejudge and hurting someones livelyhood goes against the NAP.
Being offended is not a excuse to break the NAP. The Democrats are doing a great job taking freedoms in the name of stopping offensive behaviour.
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"Rumors".
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[youtube]6ul-cZyuYq4[/youtube]
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Whites being offended by perceived racism are not "victims".
People who have there own harmless actions taken out of context and used against them are.
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Were you spelling Nazi -ing me BJ? And Denis chiming in? ooh that's rich. lol.
Jeg snakker to språk, og kjønner fire.
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Spreading rumors and causing people to prejudge and hurting someones livelyhood goes against the NAP
Though a relatively common belief, this is not true.
A's concept of B belongs to A, not B and is formed solely by A as a result of sensory perception and reason. C's false negative statement, transmitted to A could only influence A's formation of the concept B, not actually form (and, thereby, enhance or harm) it.
C's statement, true or false, positive or negative, cannot be said to be aggression against the property of A (namely, the concept of B) any more than B's statements and actions (true or false, positive or negative).
Likewise, if A can choose to not patronize B's business, the possible transaction is not some property owned by B. So, even if C's false negative statement influenced A's concept of B to the extent that A chooses to forgo trading with B, it is again A who could only possibly be harmed (maybe A missed out on a good deal). But, while you're dealing in maybes, you also have to consider possible positive effects (maybe A found a better deal with someone other than B).
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Someone's drinking, and it's not Brock for a change.
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Spreading rumors and causing people to prejudge and hurting someones livelyhood goes against the NAP
Though a relatively common belief, this is not true.
A's concept of B belongs to A, not B and is formed solely by A as a result of sensory perception and reason. C's false negative statement, transmitted to A could only influence A's formation of the concept B, not actually form (and, thereby, enhance or harm) it.
C's statement, true or false, positive or negative, cannot be said to be aggression against the property of A (namely, the concept of B) any more than B's statements and actions (true or false, positive or negative).
Likewise, if A can choose to not patronize B's business, the possible transaction is not some property owned by B. So, even if C's false negative statement influenced A's concept of B to the extent that A chooses to forgo trading with B, it is again A who could only possibly be harmed (maybe A missed out on a good deal). But, while you're dealing in maybes, you also have to consider possible positive effects (maybe A found a better deal with someone other than B).
In a free society with a freely thinking and voluntaryist /merit based educated people, you would be right. We don't. We have to work with what we got. Bullshit and the truth have about the same value as things are. C's opinion has more value then it should, and A is very unlikely to make a opinion of his own if he hears a statement against B enough times.
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The Baklava guy, freedomcam.net, everyone at agorist alley during porcfest
... all got started before the current drama.
Those things may have started before the "current drama" but surely not before The Last Biscuit. George hasnt been selling his baklava more than a year, freedomcam.net has hardly been around a few months or so, and I believe the agorist alley has been done twice so far.
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Were you spelling Nazi -ing me BJ? And Denis chiming in? ooh that's rich. lol.
Jeg snakker to språk, og kjønner fire.
He didn't change the spelling. My interpretation was that he was pointing out that what are rumors to one person is the truth to another; hence putting it in quotes. The point is people are exercising speech and most of the time people repeat things because they believe it. Either it's their experience or they heard it from someone whom they trust. It's quite a stretch to call that a violation of the NAP. Knowingly lying to hurt someone or defraud them, perhaps, but I think generally people are expressing their real beliefs.
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...and I believe the agorist alley has been done twice so far.
Pretty sure it's just once, unless it was REALLY subtle the year before and I missed it.
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...and I believe the agorist alley has been done twice so far.
Pretty sure it's just once, unless it was REALLY subtle the year before and I missed it.
It was just a few (less than 5?) people selling stuff out of their campsites. Nothing at all like 2010's. 2010 was a business venture, for sure.
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Were you spelling Nazi -ing me BJ? And Denis chiming in? ooh that's rich. lol.
Jeg snakker to språk, og kjønner fire.
He didn't change the spelling. My interpretation was that he was pointing out that what are rumors to one person is the truth to another; hence putting it in quotes. The point is people are exercising speech and most of the time people repeat things because they believe it. Either it's their experience or they heard it from someone whom they trust. It's quite a stretch to call that a violation of the NAP. Knowingly lying to hurt someone or defraud them, perhaps, but I think generally people are expressing their real beliefs.
You can't honestly believe rumors never cause harm. Someone accuses someone of being a pedophile for example and they are scarred for life, evedense or no, even negative evidence won't completely erase the stigma. In the liberty movement racism is another effective way to cause someone to be ostracised.
Personally I dislike people who spread rumors more then a closeted racist. I talk about someone behind their back with same discretion I use to call the police- only in a life or death need to know situation.
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You can't honestly believe rumors never cause harm.
I never said that. I said it's a stretch to call it a violation of the NAP. It's a stretch to call speech, "aggression" and would set a very bad precedent. If you want to place blame, talk about the people who act with little to no evidence, e.g. rumors.
It's even a stretch to call the Momma Ally incident "rumors". It was just people expressing their opinions about statements she made publicly and which were recorded. The evidence was there for anyone who cared enough to look at it. Then they could express their opinion of it or come to her defense, which many did.
That said, ostracism is not aggression, whatever a person's motives for it.
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You are probably right. I have learned over the years to use weapons sparingly, I thought ostracism was a voluntaryist deterrent. Fine I'll try it your way.
The people in the NH liberty movement set Mama Ally up for a fall, she showed more faith and loyalty to the movement then it deserved, she thought they were more than talk, and when she counted on people they fell short.
When you have been fucked over as bad as she has you don't always talk or communicate "correctly" because your own defense mechanisms and friend testing radar is running at 200%, in other words you make controversial statements to figure out who you can trust when things get real. I have learned this from experience. I don't respect player haters. I hate self- righteous and judgemental people. And I won't ostracise or even openly dislike a person for anything short of a actual crime with a actual victim.
You catch more bees with honey then vinegar anyway. So why not just politely tell people you disagree with why they are mistaken? I had a beef with Ian's disrespect for fetuses and his attitude about it but I am not going to ostracise him about it. I called in and politely brought it up. I kind of sucked, but I think Mark (and M7 a couple days later) brought my point across quite well. I think Ian might be more careful next time, we will see.
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The people in the NH liberty movement set Mama Ally up for a fall, she showed more faith and loyalty to the movement then it deserved, she thought they were more than talk, and when she counted on people they fell short.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the people in NH helped her greatly but she messed up so badly that there is nothing that we could do to help her help herself.
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She was just doing just fine before she met the liberty movement. What did the liberty movement do for her?
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You are probably right. I have learned over the years to use weapons sparingly, I thought ostracism was a voluntaryist deterrent. Fine I'll try it your way.
The people in the NH liberty movement set Mama Ally up for a fall, she showed more faith and loyalty to the movement then it deserved, she thought they were more than talk, and when she counted on people they fell short.
When you have been fucked over as bad as she has you don't always talk or communicate "correctly" because your own defense mechanisms and friend testing radar is running at 200%, in other words you make controversial statements to figure out who you can trust when things get real. I have learned this from experience. I don't respect player haters. I hate self- righteous and judgemental people. And I won't ostracise or even openly dislike a person for anything short of a actual crime with a actual victim.
You catch more bees with honey then vinegar anyway. So why not just politely tell people you disagree with why they are mistaken? I had a beef with Ian's disrespect for fetuses and his attitude about it but I am not going to ostracise him about it. I called in and politely brought it up. I kind of sucked, but I think Mark (and M7 a couple days later) brought my point across quite well. I think Ian might be more careful next time, we will see.
Well said Al.
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She was just doing just fine before she met the liberty movement. What did the liberty movement do for her?
Running out on bail didn't help.
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She probably felt she had a safe place to run, and tried to hide among friends in what she perceived as a safe place when the world had gone mad. She was trying to rebel against the state by not obeying it.
I wonder where she picked up that idea.
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She probably felt she had a safe place to run, and tried to hide among friends in what she perceived as a safe place when the world had gone mad. She was trying to rebel against the state by not obeying it.
I wonder where she picked up that idea.
Running to NH from financial obligations?
(http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/kanningarrest.jpg)
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The people in the NH liberty movement set Mama Ally up for a fall, she showed more faith and loyalty to the movement then it deserved, she thought they were more than talk, and when she counted on people they fell short.
What exactly do you think people should have done that they failed to do?
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Voodoo:
Didn't that guy ow his family support or something like that?
Obligations to kids is something we are morally supposed to do.
Obligations to the state and its enablers are what we should try to escape paying.
Dalebert:
I don't know. I just feel we should admit we should have done more, and learn from it. If another one of us gets set up we should be better prepaired. I didn't help Mama Ally either, but I am not going to justify myself by player hating her after the fact. One of the points of getting the liberty people together is to help each other out if they get in trouble from our mutual enemy, the state.
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Oh my god you are annoying.
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She was just doing just fine before she met the liberty movement. What did the liberty movement do for her?
Several people signed up to work for her. She was given lots of decent legal advice. People spend $1000s or something buying her food day after day. She was given free places to stay. She was given free use of kitchens. She was promoted again and again. She was given free food to sell.
Are you talking about her getting arrested in GA for filming cops even though it was recommended that she not do it by herself in GA? She went against the typical advice from the NH liberty movement folks to do that and got into a lot of trouble. But folks up here spend a lot of time helping her with that. She just kept screwing it up more and more. There is only so much you can do for someone.
Though, I'm proud that I helped and and may she have a better life because of my help.
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She probably felt she had a safe place to run, and tried to hide among friends in what she perceived as a safe place when the world had gone mad. She was trying to rebel against the state by not obeying it.
I wonder where she picked up that idea.
I have no idea but it is the opposite of what liberty folks do in NH. Maybe she went insane for a short time because of all the stress. Some people have a hard time following a good example.
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I didn't help Mama Ally either, but I am not going to justify myself by player hating her after the fact. One of the points of getting the liberty people together is to help each other out if they get in trouble from our mutual enemy, the state.
Why not? You didn't buy her food and spread the message for her? You didn't come to her when she was arrested? Maybe you can help her in the future.
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Voodoo:
Didn't that guy ow his family support or something like that?
Obligations to kids is something we are morally supposed to do.
Obligations to the state and its enablers are what we should try to escape paying.
She ran out on a contract she made with a third party, AFTER blowing her obligation to her family! She should not have taken the bondsman's money if she couldn't keep the contract.
I can't believe you're being so ridiculous.
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BJ you have no idea.
A free exchange is helping now? I understand the food was a good value.
I didn't know she had a message, why would I spread it? I have my own, it's right there at the bottom of this post.
I never said Mama Ally didn't fuck up. She obviously is someone who does things though, you might call her a fighter, and I think meeting people from the liberty movement was not good for her at all, because she picked up some ideas that were really bad for her. I think a lot of "doers" are looking at the entire story with great interest. Not everybody is interested in just smiling while tazed and spending several useless months in prison for no particular reason, some are fighters, these are people I like to be around.
I addressed the bail bondsmen and the bounty hunter thing earlier on the thread and the board.
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Every scandanavian is as annoying as you.
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Every scandanavian is as annoying as you.
and every pic like yours is annoying as hell!
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Every scandanavian is as annoying as you.
and every pic like yours is annoying as hell!
I'm glad it's annoying you, you annoying shit.
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Every scandanavian is as annoying as you.
and every pic like yours is annoying as hell!
I'm glad it's annoying you, you annoying shit.
and I'm an annoying shit because of my music posts? I wish you would post some music that you like. If its something else that makes you think I'm annoying what is it?
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stfu you guys clogged a perfectly good thread up with this bickering.
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Can someone address my point on bounty hunters and bail bondsmen? Many think I am being a smartass when I make that point, but I really feel that when they are used against people without a victim they are part of the problem.
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They provide you a harm-reducing service and come get you when you try to rip them off.
Wouldn't say they are part of the solution either, but until the solution comes, they are helping keep people from rotting in rape cages while they wait for their "speedy" trials.
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... so if somebody will have stopped the bounty hunters of someone who ran to NH for protection it would have had adverse effects on others in the liberty movement that needed bail help later.
Thank you Mr. Osborne.
Everybody else: Was that so hard?
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The whole thing's so obvious the confusion baffles me.
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Isn't a bail bondsman just someone who essentially loans money, probably for a fairly high fee, on the promise that you'll show up to your court date so they get paid back? If you don't like their fees or their service or the fact that they will enforce your promise to show up, you can try to borrow the money from elsewhere at a moment's notice. The bounty hunters are just enforcing the promise you made in order to be loaned the money. They're not the "bad guys". They're not the ones holding you for ransom. They're just providing a service to help people deal with the bad guys.
I would have a serious moral problem with accepting their service, making a promise to them in order to receive it, and then breaking that promise at great cost to them.
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Its clear to me. I was confused at the time when she said she was in Keene, since I knew she needed to be in the south at that time. When she got picked up, well what did she think was going to happen?
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Isn't a bail bondsman just someone who essentially loans money, probably for a fairly high fee, on the promise that you'll show up to your court date so they get paid back? If you don't like their fees or their service or the fact that they will enforce your promise to show up, you can try to borrow the money from elsewhere at a moment's notice. The bounty hunters are just enforcing the promise you made in order to be loaned the money. They're not the "bad guys". They're not the ones holding you for ransom. They're just providing a service to help people deal with the bad guys.
I would have a serious moral problem with accepting their service, making a promise to them in order to receive it, and then breaking that promise at great cost to them.
A bounty hunter is a hired gun. They are not good or bad. They just seem one way or the other depending on who pays them, like any other hired gun.
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The whole thing's so obvious the confusion baffles me.
I felt like a coward.
I have issues of letting thugs aggression, justified or not, slide.
I needed a reason, that no defensive action was taken, I could get my head around.
That it would have harmed the movement at this time will work just fine.
I feel better.
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Isn't a bail bondsman just someone who essentially loans money, probably for a fairly high fee, on the promise that you'll show up to your court date so they get paid back? If you don't like their fees or their service or the fact that they will enforce your promise to show up, you can try to borrow the money from elsewhere at a moment's notice. The bounty hunters are just enforcing the promise you made in order to be loaned the money. They're not the "bad guys". They're not the ones holding you for ransom. They're just providing a service to help people deal with the bad guys.
I would have a serious moral problem with accepting their service, making a promise to them in order to receive it, and then breaking that promise at great cost to them.
Yeah, a bail bondsman basically says to the person "Ok, im gonna get you out of jail, but the court is gonna hold me responsible for you showing up to your court date. If you agree to show up I need some money for insurance that you will hold up your end of the bargain" If the person doesnt show up, the bail bondsman is responsible for paying the court the full amount of bail, usually some huge amount of money and the bail the person pays the bondsman is usually around 10% of the full bail amount. So if the bail is set to 100,000 bucks and the person skips town, the bondsman is out 90,000 bucks if he cant get the person back into custody.
Sometimes a bail bondsman is also the bounty hunter himself. Its a good way to cut out some overhead. I was gonna do this line of work years ago, but didnt like the prospect of possibly getting my nuts shot off by someone who REALLY didnt want to be brought back into custody. Not to mention the fact that I've always despised law enforcement and that position smelled a little too much like being a cop.
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Any updates on Momma Ally? Does she have her kid? Is she in jail? Will her great food be back at Porcfest? I'm eating grits right now.
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Any updates on Momma Ally? Does she have her kid? Is she in jail? Will her great food be back at Porcfest? I'm eating grits right now.
the_last_biscuit@yahoo.com
The Biscuit Baby who was supposed to be 'safe' according to the state until things were 'figured out' in the runaway house, after being taken from her mother at Fort Freedom, was threatened with handcuffs and forced by police into her fathers car after being torn from her mothers arms in screaming, crying, beggng tears and dragged back to Oklahoma again. Momma Ally is again devastated and finding it very hard to gather her strength to get back up and fight again. Her soul has been stolen by the state :( So please forgive this groups lack of in the street activism for a little bit. When Momma regroups we will be back at it again. Thanks for your understanding PEACE and SOLIDARITY
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Momma Ally has allowed me to use her mobile Last Biscuit equipment while she is unable to do so. This action will help me get my festival vending business back off the ground. This means so much to me after being "abandoned" by people I thought were "friends" who dropped off the face of the planet when shit got real.
Her heart is in the right place, she is not someone I would easily give up on. Momma is a fighter and all of my interactions with her have given me the impression that her daughter is her life and she will fight to the very end to make sure that girl is taken care of.
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She wouldn't easily give up on you either.