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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #180 on: November 02, 2011, 09:28:20 PM »

Sooooooooooo...
 
Good times. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take on two issues that seems pretty serious:

1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,

2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.

Am I understanding this situation correctly?   I'm truly amazed that these two items appear to be right out in the open and everybody (with precious few exceptions) seems OK with that.  If I missed a post which would have already cleared up my confusion over this seeming contradiction please let me know.
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« Reply #181 on: November 02, 2011, 09:30:29 PM »

Sooooooooooo...
 
Good times. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take on two issues that seems pretty serious:

1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,

2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.

Am I understanding this situation correctly?   I'm truly amazed that these two items appear to be right out in the open and everybody (with precious few exceptions) seems OK with that.  If I missed a post which would have already cleared up my confusion over this seeming contradiction please let me know.

I personally was hoping he was just being hyperbolic.
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« Reply #182 on: November 02, 2011, 09:46:53 PM »

1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,

Incriminating? I don't think he said that at all. I think he said he'd fuck with people's posts if they acted like assholes.

2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.

If they posted something that could effect the site owner (Ian) legally. I believe that that is what he said. I also believe he specifically mentioned information that could draw attacks by letter agencies (Explosive devices and means of altering firearms that would draw the ire of the ATF, an agency known to persecute and harass people.) and child pornography, which will have the FBI up people's asses in a split second.

Not even touching the high probability that a good half of that post was with an angry tongue in cheek at a situation that was getting progressively stupider by the minute.  

EDIT - Besides, all of this is moot now, as the TOS has changed and mods can just ban abusive people.
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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #183 on: November 02, 2011, 11:20:53 PM »



Am I understanding this situation correctly? 
yes
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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #184 on: November 03, 2011, 12:35:15 AM »

Thanks blackie.  I read Shaw's post as affirmative on both questions with unpersuasive justifications being offered.  About mootness: Brasky is still a mod, Shaw appears to think altering users posts (other than by simply removing objectionable content) is OK as well, and both think that sending user info to the police is sometimes a good idea.

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I looked, but I can't find the new terms of service.  Do they include the term that users' posts may be altered to appear "most damaging" in the event of some occurrence?  I bet they don't.  Do they say that the mods might send your info to the cops?  If so I guess I need to quit and I would ask that all of my posts be deleted.

EVERYONES A MOD

LOL BTW

The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned.  I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.

Will Ecolitan ban Brasky?  I would.  Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do.  I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.
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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #185 on: November 03, 2011, 06:19:04 AM »

The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned.  I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.

Dude, seriously, don't lose my respect.
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« Reply #186 on: November 03, 2011, 10:57:41 AM »

Weren't Brasky's comments just more or less a rant about some messages that didn't even make it to the board that started with Dragline going out of his way to insult John Shaw?
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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #187 on: November 03, 2011, 11:36:50 AM »

No
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« Reply #188 on: November 03, 2011, 12:13:07 PM »

I read Shaw's post as affirmative on both questions with unpersuasive justifications being offered.  

I tried to explain another person's point of view. I gave my perspective on it. It's what it looked like to me. I know the guy pretty well and I spent a harrowing week in the wilderness with him IRL. I can say with some authority that I may understand his sense of irony and humor and somewhat overall acerbic wit better than you may. I did not try to "justify" it. Brasky will justify his own actions or not.

I didn't write his posts for him. If he had quoted "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" maybe you would have gotten what he was trying to say.

In case you don't know-

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Santa Claus is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town



Brasky is still a mod, Shaw appears to think altering users posts (other than by simply removing objectionable content) is OK as well, and both think that sending user info to the police is sometimes a good idea.

I said no such fucking thing and that is not something I, personally, would do. I would, however, delete a post with kiddie porn and ban the user. I would also ban a user who posts threats of violence and I'd leave the post up. Kiddie porn can get Ian into trouble with the powers that be. Violent threats from someone who ain't Ian will not get Ian into trouble. But I certainly won't protect a violent asshole from his own words by removing them. If that draws the powers that be to that asshole's doorstep? Hey, it was his words, not mine, and I am not responsible for their actions or the subsequent response of statists.

Will Ecolitan ban Brasky?  I would.  Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do.  I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.

Ecolitan was banned, apparently by himself. He will not be banning anyone.

For the fucking record Ox, as far as I'm concerned the government is an idea in people's heads. I don't believe in it and I'd never speak in the language of statists or speak with a statist as if their ideas were in any way valid. That includes utilizing any of their resources for my benefit.

So you can take your accusations toward me and stuff 'em up your asshole.
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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #189 on: November 03, 2011, 03:47:50 PM »

Touche' 

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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #190 on: November 03, 2011, 06:50:40 PM »



The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned.  I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.

Will Ecolitan ban Brasky?  I would.  Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do.  I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.

Go read this, counselor.  

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/my-intent-to-abduct-rape-torture-and-kill-linda-t-s225nchez/


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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #191 on: November 03, 2011, 06:59:33 PM »



The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned.  I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.

Will Ecolitan ban Brasky?  I would.  Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do.  I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.

Go read this, counselor.  

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/my-intent-to-abduct-rape-torture-and-kill-linda-t-s225nchez/




Wow, Bill.  I had never seen that post.  I firmly stand behind you on banning and notifying the authorities on this type of crap.  I personally will call the FBI if I ever see something like that.  Someone doesn't think I am a principled libertarian for doing it?  Oh well, I don't give a flip about what people think who condone, cover up for, or ignore such uncivilized and threatening behavior.

That violent rhetoric initiates force in the first instance, Ox, so reporting it isn't unprincipled.

18 USC 351 - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000351----000-.html
18 USC 875 - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000875----000-.html


The only thing I had hoped you were kidding about was changing peoples words. Doing that kinda draws you into a situation where you could be held responsible for things YOU didn't say...  as someone on the forum could claim any time that you modified their post and were the one to add the incriminating words, not them.

My concern was for you.


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Re: Moderator Changes
« Reply #192 on: November 03, 2011, 08:17:19 PM »

The Libman is not the issue here, dude. 
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« Reply #193 on: November 03, 2011, 08:54:47 PM »

The Libman is not the issue here, dude. 

No, but he's a good example of you picking a shitty example of acceptability. 







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« Reply #194 on: November 03, 2011, 09:02:50 PM »

The Libman is not the issue here, dude.  

No, but he's a good example of you picking a shitty example of acceptability.  


It's also hilarious that he carefully chose not to respond to my post.

Every time he calls me a dirty fucking statist and speaks about me as if I'm not in the room he'll get a link to it.
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