The Free Talk Live BBS
Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: FTL_Ian on October 19, 2011, 06:02:22 PM
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Thanks to Shaw and Brasky for moderating the BBS for so long.
It is time to change things up a bit and Aunt Bee and Laetitia have been selected by a consultant. Of course, they did not ask for it, so guys, if you don't want it, please let me know and feel free to nominate additional mods.
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I think I'm gonna miss John and Brasky, but I guess change is the only constant in life...
Hope you guys stay around and make posts!
Is this connected to bitcoins?
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Oh, come now. Everyone knows Brasky is the One True God.
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
Who is that?
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
Who is that?
A friend of mine :)
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Thanks to Shaw and Brasky for moderating the BBS for so long.
It is time to change things up a bit and Aunt Bee and Laetitia have been selected by a consultant. Of course, they did not ask for it, so guys, if you don't want it, please let me know and feel free to nominate additional mods.
What exactly would my moderator duties be?
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Thanks to Shaw and Brasky for moderating the BBS for so long.
It is time to change things up a bit and Aunt Bee and Laetitia have been selected by a consultant. Of course, they did not ask for it, so guys, if you don't want it, please let me know and feel free to nominate additional mods.
I would say "You're welcome", but you're actually not. I reserve that sentiment for people who appreciate my efforts, it's not something I just say automatically.
You were welcome, up until the moment you "consulted" some magpies who reiterate whatever you wanted to hear in a closed-door situation rather than having a discussion with the actual involved participants.
So, you go ahead and install some new blood, which is actually irrelevant to my commentary, I wanted to be out of this nonsense about a year ago, but since I like John I didn't want to see him have to deal with idiots all by himself.
Inevitably, your new "mods" will have to make the same decisions I had to. Which is to protect your property from illegal data, and discourage hate speech. The people who you've selected to perform those duties are incapable of that, as they have resolutely and adamantly defended the so-called "rights" of people to post those statements. They fail to understand the ultimate outcome of defending those actions endangers the owner (you) at the whims and follies of defacing private property (yours), as they push the envelope with zero risk to themselves.
So, good luck with the assholes. If anything it'll be interesting to watch.
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
Who is that?
Admiral Gunn I think.
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Thanks to Shaw and Brasky for moderating the BBS for so long.
It is time to change things up a bit and Aunt Bee and Laetitia have been selected by a consultant. Of course, they did not ask for it, so guys, if you don't want it, please let me know and feel free to nominate additional mods.
What exactly would my moderator duties be?
You will have to ban people who like to say bad things to arouse conflict, determine the legality things posted, and be on the lookout for illegal images of several kinds.
People like to post that stuff specifically for the purposes of fighting with you, as they see it as a soapbox and/or extension of their "rights to free speech".
You'll also have to beware of sockpuppet trolling, (IE, two or more accounts to arouse conflict from numerous positions and/or stalking and baiting).
You'll notice there has been a decline of that behavior, which I attribute directly to a policy of unpredictable behavior on my part. Most people behave normally, a few people don't. It is the few that will challenge you on the "boilerplate" of the TOS for enjoyment on their part. That gets old fast, and which is why I eventually morphed into a more distant policy-maker who doesn't engage in the detail-heavy discussions of what's acceptable.
Most people inherently know what's acceptable. The few also know, and prefer to stray to the unacceptable and then twist around in the gray area for the sake of argument.
Inevitably the politeness will erode, and you'll have to spend hours arguing with assholes who insist on being assholes, since you, personally, are unlikely to embrace the full range of mod's abilities.
Good luck.
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
Who is that?
Admiral Gunn I think.
No. Royce is Ecolitan.
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Thanks to Shaw and Brasky for moderating the BBS for so long.
It is time to change things up a bit and Aunt Bee and Laetitia have been selected by a consultant. Of course, they did not ask for it, so guys, if you don't want it, please let me know and feel free to nominate additional mods.
What exactly would my moderator duties be?
Have I mentioned lately how much I admire and revere women?
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I would say "You're welcome", but you're actually not. I reserve that sentiment for people who appreciate my efforts, it's not something I just say automatically.
I appreciate the efforts of the mods, for what it's worth. I'm not sure exactly what all it is you did, but I'm pretty sure I'd have been seeing a hell of a lot more spam without you. Plus, I don't think I've had to hit the Ignore button on anyone in quite some time.
So, you go ahead and install some new blood, which is actually irrelevant to my commentary, I wanted to be out of this nonsense about a year ago, but since I like John I didn't want to see him have to deal with idiots all by himself.
Inevitably, your new "mods" will have to make the same decisions I had to. Which is to protect your property from illegal data, and discourage hate speech. The people who you've selected to perform those duties are incapable of that, as they have resolutely and adamantly defended the so-called "rights" of people to post those statements. They fail to understand the ultimate outcome of defending those actions endangers the owner (you) at the whims and follies of defacing private property (yours), as they push the envelope with zero risk to themselves.
So, good luck with the assholes. If anything it'll be interesting to watch.
It's possible you weren't referring to me, BUT...
I will defend the right of an asshole to voice his opinion on any topic, even if I strongly disagree and it's something I find offensive, but that doesn't mean I'd let somebody plaster the boards with it. There's a huge difference between making an unpopular statement on a topic and running around the bbs, throwing shit on everyone's conversations just for the sake of throwing shit.
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Just saw your list of mod duties, Brasky. More appreciation for the new 'former mods', as it sounds like you do have to deal with a lot of shit thrown just for the sake of throwing shit.
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
Who is that?
Admiral Gunn I think.
No. Royce is Ecolitan.
Really? LOL. This will be interesting.
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Yeah, hi Joy.
The first message was to Mr. Freeman.
The later statement was to you. I wasn't calling you an asshole.
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Not to sound like a luddite, but is there a "how to" somebody can send me?
Last time I moderated a board, it was an actual bulletin board, where I was responsible for removing outdated flyers and painting over epithets and well endowed stick figures.
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No, theres not. You have to make it up as you go along. Either choice will always be unacceptable. This is the paradox of moderating a virtually unmoderated BBS.
If you want to stay "friends" with everyone, I would take a page out of Lindsey's book, and do nothing. (no offense to Linds)
Also, make a new redirect for BBS email. You don't want the horseshit in your regular mail. You'll get "report to mods" mails about once a day on various things. Possibly much more when theres a 'fight' occurring.
You could review the TOS, but it doesn't say anything you don't already know.
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Ian? Why you gotta be an ass?
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Roycerson is also now a mod.
Seriously?
Who is that?
Admiral Gunn I think.
No.
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Ian? Why you gotta be an ass?
Haven't you figured out he enjoys fucking with the people on this BBS? I was good with the moderators, but it was clear they didn't really want it--as I wouldn't. I have to be careful, though, because last time I made a similar comment, it was taken as a personal attack, which it was not meant to be.
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Yea, not personal. But, no discussion with john and brassy? That's chickenshit.
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So, good luck with the assholes. If anything it'll be interesting to watch.
Reminds me of what my mother used to say, all the while I was growing up:
"People are assholes!"
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So, good luck with the assholes. If anything it'll be interesting to watch.
Reminds me of what my mother used to say, all the while I was growing up:
"People are assholes!"
My dad used to say "Son, never forget: There are more horses asses than there are horses."
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Royce PM'd me. Here it is unedited:
You were welcome, up until the moment you "consulted" some magpies who reiterate whatever you wanted to hear in a closed-door situation rather than having a discussion with the actual involved participants.
I'll tell you what happened far as I know if you like. I have no hard feelings. That's not very cool to talk to Ian like that. He said thank you and I expect he meant it.
What did you want him to do? Make an announcement that some of the things you have said are entirely unacceptable?
I am the consultant far as I know and he didn't come to me. I sent him an email 2 months ago and forgot about it. Couple days ago I get a "thanks for thoughts" and "who would be better?" response. I gave him 5 names, none mine. That's what I know. The facts are available for the whole internet to see, if he consulted at length I expect it was with the BBS.
Don't PM me. Ever. And don't start telling me what to say and whom to say it. Everything you PM to me is going straight to the boards, every single time.
Personally, I'm glad he relieved me of the responsibility, so I don't have to deal with people like you any more - unless I feel like it.
What I expected him to do was send me an email or a PM, rather than leave it in some place where I might find it. That is how you treat people if you have any interpersonal skills, or respect for the thousands of hours you've VOLUNTEERED to their property.
No surprise, there. He thinks everybody wants to do him favors. I just wanted to make sure nobody posted anything insanely stupid that would get him put back in jail, or kept there if it violated early release conditions - you know, an actual contribution to actual freedom. Maybe that's too complicated for the narrow-minded. So fuck him. Zero class, low-thinking egomaniac. I will never, ever do him a single favor, ever again. Not because of the change, I don't care about that. It's HOW, which is the big insult.
Forgive the fuck outta me for wanting to do my part in keeping the arrested or incarcerated from getting Rodney King'd. You think the fucking Keene or Manch cops don't read these webs? I guarantee, within the near future, Ailcaire (?) will be back in here calling to crash a cop funeral somewhere and shoot the attendees. I can't wait.
(Hey - that guy who volunteered six thousand hours to my website? I'm just gonna give him the Italian high-sign because I'm much too important and busy to give him a personal fistbump. - What a goddamn asshole. Seriously.)
And no surprise that you're a run-behind bitch. Knew ya were, know ya are. I stopped crying to daddy when I was knee-high. Every single one of you pussy fucks are exactly alike. You, Libman, that Riddler moron, Hellbilly, and that fucking retarded cunt Parcgreen/Widespread Panic. You want to shit everywhere, and don't respond to anything but being kicked the fuck out.
Now you'll have to be a hypocrite, when push comes to shove. And I'm gonna laugh my fucking balls off and throw every damn moment in your face. I can't wait to ridicule that stuff.
In fact, I think I might see what it takes to get banned. Maybe I'll post my own bomb thread, in Chinese or Arabic. Then you fuckin' assholes can spend all day deciphering it.
Welcome to hell, Nark. Hope you got nuthin' to do.
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+1
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Can you guys hold on a sec, I'm making popcorn.
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:( Trillian said you would do that.
And no surprise that you're a run-behind bitch. Knew ya were, know ya are
This: "I know where you go, what you review. If you typically review your
posts to page three, I'll start fucking with your posts on page four.
And you will be ultimately be dragging a wagon-load of the most damaging shit you've ever imagined." - bill brasky
is the only thing I've felt like reporting to anyone in over 5 years here. That was absolutely unacceptable with no explanation required. I will not have it on the FTL BBS if I can help it.
and no please.... forgive ME for trying to make peace and let bygones be bygones. I hope this frees you and Shaw up to be the highly entertaining and insightful posters you once were.
I really didn't want to gloat publicly. I really didn't expect you to make my PMs public, but since you did..... ahh fuck it. I love you Bill Brasky. I want nothing but the best for you and yours.
Now you'll have to be a hypocrite, when push comes to shove. And I'm gonna laugh my fucking balls off and throw every damn moment in your face. I can't wait to ridicule that stuff
Here's my plan for that. unceremonious moderating. If you wanna complain about a banning, I'll post the quote, the ToS it violates and admit that you might be right and I hated doing it. It's the grandstanding that always brought you heat from me before. I'm not trying to give my life to the FTL BBS (SWTOR is released Dec. 20th) if someone is inciting violence I might try to edit and warn but if they require too much time away from Coruscant I'll ban, and I'll hate it, and I'll go back to killing Jedis.
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perceive glimpses of the highest reality, which lies beyond mind and thought.
You will finally be home. But this is nothing permanent. So you will want to
return home daily. Little by little you will be more and more in your home,
which is heaven. Where love is God, and not the other way around!
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:( Trillian said you would do that.
And no surprise that you're a run-behind bitch. Knew ya were, know ya are
This: "I know where you go, what you review. If you typically review your
posts to page three, I'll start fucking with your posts on page four.
And you will be ultimately be dragging a wagon-load of the most damaging shit you've ever imagined." - bill brasky
is the only thing I've felt like reporting to anyone in over 5 years here. That was absolutely unacceptable with no explanation required. I will not have it on the FTL BBS if I can help it.
and no please.... forgive ME for trying to make peace and let bygones be bygones. I hope this frees you and Shaw up to be the highly entertaining and insightful posters you once were.
I really didn't want to gloat publicly. I really didn't expect you to make my PMs public, but since you did..... ahh fuck it. I love you Bill Brasky. I want nothing but the best for you and yours.
Who's gloating? That'd be you, right out of the gate.
...and who made some hollow threats to keep your moronic nonsense in line? That'd be me. Nobody got hurt, no harm no foul.
Orson Welles did it in 1938. Bitches can't stand a little heat, oh no, Brasky made a post!
You still can't get it through your head, words are powerful. Everybody can use them and say whatever they want, except me? Thats bullshit pal.
Show me where I actually fucked with anyone.
I'll give you a hint - Hellbilly, when he changed his name to every offensive word he could muster in his drunken foggy brain. Which was a direct call-out, so I threw him in the cellar until he wised up. Then he changed his name to Aunt Bee, and I let him back out again.
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Janitor didn't fuck up Eco - you just had a hissy fit cuz they banned dragline. deal with it.
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http://130.94.182.150/lifelaws.htm
LIFE'S LAWS
There are laws in life that don't make sense regarding how they could
possibly work, but they do. You will discover these laws one way or the other,
but the sooner in your life you know and act on them, the better it will be
for you.
You will eventually find out that life is both perfect and neutral. Which
means that if anything is not going great in your life, it is not life's
fault. And being neutral, you will reap what you sow.
Awesome. Will this bullshit apply to you when someone makes a bomb from the data you post?
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Janitor didn't fuck up Eco - you just had a hissy fit cuz they banned dragline. deal with it.
Yes I did. And I did.
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I'll give you a hint - Hellbilly, when he changed his name to every offensive word he could muster in his drunken foggy brain.
I remember that. He's a mod now? Ahahahah this is going to be absolutely crazy.
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Janitor didn't fuck up Eco - you just had a hissy fit cuz they banned dragline. deal with it.
Yes I did. And I did.
Yeah, dealt with an issue that didn't pertain to you by going on several drunken marathons, resulting in a four-day freak-out, e-mailing Ian like a whiny cunt, and harassing everybody with mod buttons.
You're a fuckin weirdo, dude. If I put half that much effort into bugging you, you're gonna want to hang yourself.
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I want to apologize for acting so rashly. I think my problem is that the BBS is such a dramatic place that I feed into that by doing things without really thinking about them, just to stir up more drama. Maybe it's at some level an attempt to find myself interested in what goes on here.
I really should be, as it's my BBS, but I don't really recall the last time I was.
I've re-promoted Brasky and Shaw, but it wouldn't surprise me if they've had enough of my bullshit and refused to accept.
Hellbilly has been demoted and Blackie promoted.
I'm open to suggestions as to how to change things around here. Shaw apparently suggested rebooting the whole thing.
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YOU SHOULD PROBABLY READ MY RANT FIRST.
Royce PM'd me. Here it is unedited:
You were welcome, up until the moment you "consulted" some magpies who reiterate whatever you wanted to hear in a closed-door situation rather than having a discussion with the actual involved participants.
I'll tell you what happened far as I know if you like. I have no hard feelings. That's not very cool to talk to Ian like that. He said thank you and I expect he meant it.
What did you want him to do? Make an announcement that some of the things you have said are entirely unacceptable?
I am the consultant far as I know and he didn't come to me. I sent him an email 2 months ago and forgot about it. Couple days ago I get a "thanks for thoughts" and "who would be better?" response. I gave him 5 names, none mine. That's what I know. The facts are available for the whole internet to see, if he consulted at length I expect it was with the BBS.
Don't PM me. Ever. And don't start telling me what to say and whom to say it. Everything you PM to me is going straight to the boards, every single time.
Personally, I'm glad he relieved me of the responsibility, so I don't have to deal with people like you any more - unless I feel like it.
What I expected him to do was send me an email or a PM, rather than leave it in some place where I might find it. That is how you treat people if you have any interpersonal skills, or respect for the thousands of hours you've VOLUNTEERED to their property.
No surprise, there. He thinks everybody wants to do him favors. I just wanted to make sure nobody posted anything insanely stupid that would get him put back in jail, or kept there if it violated early release conditions - you know, an actual contribution to actual freedom. Maybe that's too complicated for the narrow-minded. So fuck him. Zero class, low-thinking egomaniac. I will never, ever do him a single favor, ever again. Not because of the change, I don't care about that. It's HOW, which is the big insult.
Forgive the fuck outta me for wanting to do my part in keeping the arrested or incarcerated from getting Rodney King'd. You think the fucking Keene or Manch cops don't read these webs? I guarantee, within the near future, Ailcaire (?) will be back in here calling to crash a cop funeral somewhere and shoot the attendees. I can't wait.
(Hey - that guy who volunteered six thousand hours to my website? I'm just gonna give him the Italian high-sign because I'm much too important and busy to give him a personal fistbump. - What a goddamn asshole. Seriously.)
And no surprise that you're a run-behind bitch. Knew ya were, know ya are. I stopped crying to daddy when I was knee-high. Every single one of you pussy fucks are exactly alike. You, Libman, that Riddler moron, Hellbilly, and that fucking retarded cunt Parcgreen/Widespread Panic. You want to shit everywhere, and don't respond to anything but being kicked the fuck out.
Now you'll have to be a hypocrite, when push comes to shove. And I'm gonna laugh my fucking balls off and throw every damn moment in your face. I can't wait to ridicule that stuff.
In fact, I think I might see what it takes to get banned. Maybe I'll post my own bomb thread, in Chinese or Arabic. Then you fuckin' assholes can spend all day deciphering it.
Welcome to hell, Nark. Hope you got nuthin' to do.
I'll keep the modz tools because I prefer the online experience with them, but you should be forewarned of my opinion.
I won't be using them unless I wander into savages.
Of course, you can keep them - its your call. I'm not real happy with you right now.
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I'll check back later to see what the fuck I am. I don't care.
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Ian must not realize how much work actually was put into this place by people who actually bother to take their job somewhat seriously. I spent hours trimming spam accounts and messages out of this system. And so what, I fucking deleted Gene's thread that he mothballed anyway. He doesn't care, but as soon as it's gone he does? Whatever.
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And Ian was totally trolling for drama with this one.
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And Ian was totally trolling for drama with this one.
Totally. I've re-modded you - and also upped Gene.
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Goodness! I leave for a simple morning bike ride, and come home to all sorts of fun new shit.
Shaw apparently suggested rebooting the whole thing.
Does this mean starting over with a blank forum? All new topics and discussions, instead of having to sort through 35+ pages to read the 20-30 posts which make up the actual conversation?
Ian must not realize how much work actually was put into this place by people who actually bother to take their job somewhat seriously. I spent hours trimming spam accounts and messages out of this system. And so what, I fucking deleted Gene's thread that he mothballed anyway. He doesn't care, but as soon as it's gone he does? Whatever.
Like I said earlier, BJ - I didn't know exactly what all you GMs were up to, but I hadn't needed to use the ignore in a while, which is a good thing. Also, any threads I avoided were because I knew they weren't 'safe' to have open around the kidlets or because they didn't interest, not because they'd be spammy links to spam.
And, I'm glad Brasky is sticking around and not trying to get himself banned.
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My email is still valid and correct:
John Shaw uses this forum to satisfy his own delusions of grandeur. It was all fun and games until he got a ban button. He pisses people off, eggs them on and then complains about
how they've hurt his feelings and bans them. His behavior is entirely unacceptable (For a Moderator). It is my opinion that his labeling of dissenters as trolls and running them off stifles discussion. It's a completely fucked up way to behave either way, yes I know who's talking and I'm not a mod.
Brasky doesn't keep him in check but compounds the problem. When complaints (just forum posts, as if that harms anything) about the latest Shaw banning came: Brasky said this. "I know where you go, what you review. If you typically review your
posts to page three, I'll start fucking with your posts on page four.
And you will be ultimately be dragging a wagon-load of the most damaging shit you've ever imagined." What is that about?
Ian... That was some seriously douchebaggy shit to do. Trolling (fucking with real people's real life emotions) totally on par with what dragline was banned for. Good thing that's not against the ToS I s'pose.
I left this place for two months and came back cuz you sent me an email. That was some sick fucking shit dude. That's the kind of shit that I expect of Rillion or other decietful manipulative fucks that don't care what bad effects they have on other people's lives. Here my goal was to NOT let this become drama when you were playing me for the exact opposite. Sorry to dissapoint, I'll just slink over here with the rest of the puppets to be manipulated and exploited for your pleasure. You have the right people in place already and don't need me.
I'm not gonna hold it against you, but I'm gonna say it... I mean, I did say it. It's said.
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EVERYONES A MOD
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EVERYONES A MOD
So, I'm not joining a special club of the elite? :(
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EVERYONES A MOD
MODERATOR WAR! :P
Seriously, I don't really know what to believe about who did what to whom and who is a petty tyrant. I'd guess it's probably true that power went to some people's heads but that overall they did a good job.
I certainly didn't know how much time you all were putting into this. I never end up taking this place as seriously as anyone here and end up paying the price for it by making hasty decisions. Of course, it could be argued that even more drama would have been stirred up had I done some kind of moderator election, but who knows.
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Does this mean starting over with a blank forum? All new topics and discussions, instead of having to sort through 35+ pages to read the 20-30 posts which make up the actual conversation?
Probably? Not certain.
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Thread for suggestions on how to fix this place:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/bbs-fail/
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Brasky doesn't keep him in check but compounds the problem. When complaints (just forum posts, as if that harms anything) about the latest Shaw banning came: Brasky said this. "I know where you go, what you review. If you typically review your
posts to page three, I'll start fucking with your posts on page four.
And you will be ultimately be dragging a wagon-load of the most damaging shit you've ever imagined." What is that about?
Ian... That was some seriously douchebaggy shit to do. Trolling (fucking with real people's real life emotions) totally on par with what dragline was banned for. Good thing that's not against the ToS I s'pose.
I left this place for two months and came back cuz you sent me an email. That was some sick fucking shit dude. That's the kind of shit that I expect of Rillion or other decietful manipulative fucks that don't care what bad effects they have on other people's lives. Here my goal was to NOT let this become drama when you were playing me for the exact opposite. Sorry to dissapoint, I'll just slink over here with the rest of the puppets to be manipulated and exploited for your pleasure. You have the right people in place already and don't need me.
I'm not gonna hold it against you, but I'm gonna say it... I mean, I did say it. It's said.
WHY THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP JOHN SHAW "IN CHECK"?
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP JOHN SHAW IN CHECK?
WHAT EXACTLY IS "IN CHECK"?
This is like the fifth time I've seen this nonsense, and I still don't understand it. I'm not gonna get into a verbal confrontation with a person I respect over a thing I don't actually GIVE A SHIT ABOUT.
That fucking dickhead spent two years baiting John. He's lucky he lasted as long as he did.
Why are you not bitching that I shitcanned Widespread Panic?
Why are you not bitching that IAN re-shitcanned Libman?
When people are continually, unnaturally hostile THEY GOTTA GO.
We paid Ian like seventy bucks to get rid of John Hansen.
Man, do I have a fucking headache.
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I want to apologize for acting so rashly. I think my problem is that the BBS is such a dramatic place that I feed into that by doing things without really thinking about them, just to stir up more drama. Maybe it's at some level an attempt to find myself interested in what goes on here.
I really should be, as it's my BBS, but I don't really recall the last time I was.
I've re-promoted Brasky and Shaw, but it wouldn't surprise me if they've had enough of my bullshit and refused to accept.
Hellbilly has been demoted and Blackie promoted.
I'm open to suggestions as to how to change things around here. Shaw apparently suggested rebooting the whole thing.
Ian, you're starting to sound like a stand up guy again....
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcTetS_FLQ&feature=related[/youtube]
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Brasky doesn't keep him in check but compounds the problem. When complaints (just forum posts, as if that harms anything) about the latest Shaw banning came: Brasky said this. "I know where you go, what you review. If you typically review your
posts to page three, I'll start fucking with your posts on page four.
And you will be ultimately be dragging a wagon-load of the most damaging shit you've ever imagined." What is that about?
Ian... That was some seriously douchebaggy shit to do. Trolling (fucking with real people's real life emotions) totally on par with what dragline was banned for. Good thing that's not against the ToS I s'pose.
I left this place for two months and came back cuz you sent me an email. That was some sick fucking shit dude. That's the kind of shit that I expect of Rillion or other decietful manipulative fucks that don't care what bad effects they have on other people's lives. Here my goal was to NOT let this become drama when you were playing me for the exact opposite. Sorry to dissapoint, I'll just slink over here with the rest of the puppets to be manipulated and exploited for your pleasure. You have the right people in place already and don't need me.
I'm not gonna hold it against you, but I'm gonna say it... I mean, I did say it. It's said.
WHY THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP JOHN SHAW "IN CHECK"?
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP JOHN SHAW IN CHECK?
WHAT EXACTLY IS "IN CHECK"?
This is like the fifth time I've seen this nonsense, and I still don't understand it. I'm not gonna get into a verbal confrontation with a person I respect over a thing I don't actually GIVE A SHIT ABOUT.
That fucking dickhead spent two years baiting John. He's lucky he lasted as long as he did.
Why are you not bitching that I shitcanned Widespread Panic?
Why are you not bitching that IAN re-shitcanned Libman?
When people are continually, unnaturally hostile THEY GOTTA GO.
We paid Ian like seventy bucks to get rid of John Hansen.
Man, do I have a fucking headache.
Hansen? Hansen? Was that the guy that used to do talk soup and now does wipeout with the skunk stripe in his hair?
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5554.msg55385#msg55385
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Well said, Dale.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5554.msg55385#msg55385
FK is not unmoderated - there's an introduction policy which dramatically cuts out the problem users. Clearly though, the unmoderated thing does not work.
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Clearly though, the unmoderated thing does not work.
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As the #LRN lead-mod-dude, I have appointed BJ a +h in #LRN. BJ is always in the room and has been a loyal chatter for years.
We now have a full compliment of good people to keep the peace there. For some reason our trolling factor has increased ten-fold, as of late.
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BJ is a quality dude. Nice choice.
I seen you here once or twice, and you always seem like you have your head straight. I don't know who you are, but you don't piss me off. Congrats on that.
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BJ is a quality dude. Nice choice.
I seen you here once or twice, and you always seem like you have your head straight. I don't know who you are, but you don't piss me off. Congrats on that.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5554.msg55385#msg55385
FK is not unmoderated - there's an introduction policy which dramatically cuts out the problem users. Clearly though, the unmoderated thing does not work.
Sad, isn't it?
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No, I wouldn't have taken the Mod spot. Not for free anyway... hope the mods are at least getting a t-shirt or something ( <--psst Ian, it's a hint).
Since Brasky finally has grown a pair and is naming names (saying who the assholes are, and includes me amongst them) instead of bashfully hiding behind way too many words.. I don't think Brasky and I had any real disagreements here until the word filter came into play. I don't think anyone can come up with a good argument for why it's wrong to type nigger but OK to type faggot, kyke.. etc. etc. - but no, I wasn't trying to dwell in a gray area, I was making a specific point. One that still hasn't been answered, and can't be in any meaningful way as long as the double standard exists here.
No idea, Brasky, why you're so emotional about this. Dig in the archives, you'll find a post or two from yourself where you rag on ragheads and have typed nigger a few times. No one got hurt, as far as I know. I wasn't offended. Most big boys aren't.
...even I'm tired of this argument by now..
A tip for ya- instead of talking about writing a book, write one. Instead of following the footsteps of drunken (by the way, I haven't been drunk in years - something you alluded to in your post regarding me) beat poets, do something original. You draw inspiration from characters on TV and movies? ("The Dude" was your handle on here for awhile, it's how I've pictured you since) - how about being the guy who creates characters that other people are inspired by? Cryptic sentences in your comments are frequently quotes from movies.. wasted talent. You try too hard to be "deep", "edgy" and "brooding" - it's readily apparent to those of us for whom it comes naturally.
I rarely engage in any sort of flame war on a personal level, you opened the book though. I'm just still kinda surprised by how righteous you're coming off, as if you're somehow a victim of Ian's BBS Mod policies and you were just forced to be noble as a response to such effrontery coming from such a casual browser of the BBS.
You shitheaded me
I expected as much and didn't care
I asked you about the double standard
You change that text to include such a mature response as "cocks"
I asked again about the double standard and honestly don't remember what your reply was but it's still here I think..
test: faggot kyke spic chink nigger redneck honky cracker
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Word filter broken? Change of policy? What gives?
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From my point of view (someone who considers Ian to be a friend and wants to help him spread the messages of liberty) I believe that moderation should be done in a manner that reflects professionally upon Ian's business.
Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana. Now, I cannot say with certainty that the new listener was black, but I think it is safe to assume so. Dragline doing this is what caused me to ban him. (I've since unbanned him... a week later.) If nothing had been done and I was that fellow from Ghana, I would probably be thinking that LRN.fm is a group of racist a-holes from the USA. I privately messaged this guy and told him that I was sorry another chatter was behaving that way and that it was something that we certainly do not tolerate. Hopefully, that caused him to eliminate the fact that LRN.fm has anything to do with that type of behavior.
To LRN's new listener, in the chat listening to a LRN broadcast, I believe allowing this type of racist remarking comes off very unprofessional for LRN.fm. We are only as good as the bad conduct we allow others amongst us to get away with... and I for one believe strongly in the message of liberty, peace, and equality.
That's my take 8)
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Word filter broken? Change of policy? What gives?
Banned.
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Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
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No, I wouldn't have taken the Mod spot. Not for free anyway... hope the mods are at least getting a t-shirt or something ( <--psst Ian, it's a hint).
Since Brasky finally has grown a pair and is naming names (saying who the assholes are, and includes me amongst them) instead of bashfully hiding behind way too many words.. I don't think Brasky and I had any real disagreements here until the word filter came into play. I don't think anyone can come up with a good argument for why it's wrong to type nigger but OK to type faggot, kyke.. etc. etc. - but no, I wasn't trying to dwell in a gray area, I was making a specific point. One that still hasn't been answered, and can't be in any meaningful way as long as the double standard exists here.
No idea, Brasky, why you're so emotional about this. Dig in the archives, you'll find a post or two from yourself where you rag on ragheads and have typed nigger a few times. No one got hurt, as far as I know. I wasn't offended. Most big boys aren't.
...even I'm tired of this argument by now..
A tip for ya- instead of talking about writing a book, write one. Instead of following the footsteps of drunken (by the way, I haven't been drunk in years - something you alluded to in your post regarding me) beat poets, do something original. You draw inspiration from characters on TV and movies? ("The Dude" was your handle on here for awhile, it's how I've pictured you since) - how about being the guy who creates characters that other people are inspired by? Cryptic sentences in your comments are frequently quotes from movies.. wasted talent. You try too hard to be "deep", "edgy" and "brooding" - it's readily apparent to those of us for whom it comes naturally.
I rarely engage in any sort of flame war on a personal level, you opened the book though. I'm just still kinda surprised by how righteous you're coming off, as if you're somehow a victim of Ian's BBS Mod policies and you were just forced to be noble as a response to such effrontery coming from such a casual browser of the BBS.
You shitheaded me
I expected as much and didn't care
I asked you about the double standard
You change that text to include such a mature response as "cocks"
I asked again about the double standard and honestly don't remember what your reply was but it's still here I think..
test: faggot kyke spic chink nigger redneck honky cracker
The reason is because it went past bullshit. The owner asked that it stop.
CAN YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND PRIVATE PROPERTY?
Can you fucking understand people trying to make a living?
Can you understand a request asked a hundred fucking times?
Yes, you can dig up any number of things I've said, I'm as rude as they come.
But you cannot dig up one fucking thing where someone asked me to stop because it was their property and they requested I wouldn't do that.
You're a fucking asshole, man. You can argue it as much as you want.
I don't care how much you try to justify it under the guise of free speech or any nonsense.
I asked you nicely about a dozen times to knock it the fuck off, as a friend. And you spit in my face. And for that, I lost whatever respect I had.
So go fuck yourself. You can't rebuild that.
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Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
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Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
Here we get a lot of "guests", they can be seen browsing the forum. Very few join. And lots of people have left.
Personally, I believe it's because the most current posts are often heavily argumentative.
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I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners...
All true apart from the fact that the BBS could be used for the same purpose and with similar levels of success if not for the fact of its current reputation, you know?
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Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
Here we get a lot of "guests", they can be seen browsing the forum. Very few join. And lots of people have left.
Personally, I believe it's because the most current posts are often heavily argumentative.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners...
All true apart from the fact that the BBS could be used for the same purpose and with similar levels of success if not for the fact of its current reputation, you know?
Very good points.
I just think that racist rhetoric is like violent rhetoric... something that we who believe in liberty and peace shouldn't want anywhere near us. Just my .02.
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No, Brasky, you didn't as me. Not once.
The policy was about a day old. I tested it and was Rubber-Roomed by my next visit. It wasn't a big deal then, it isn't now.
And yes, I do understand. Do you recall me saying that I run a BBS myself? I'm the 2nd owner, it's been up since the 90's. It's had seasons of success. It is a model community of like minded people with similar goals. Everyone is polite, there are occasional flare-ups that are dealt with as well as the usual problem of spam and whatnot.
Even considering all of those positives- traffic has dropped drastically. That sucks. But it's more of a personal loss as opposed to a financial one for me, as that BBS has never accepted advertising (I get offers weekly) - not even a loss really as many members have simply rejoined on facebook.
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Very good points.
I just think that racist rhetoric is like violent rhetoric... something that we who believe in liberty and peace shouldn't want anywhere near us. Just my .02.
Agreed.
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Whoa!!!
I come back after a few days absence and the whole place and everyone in it has gone apeshit.
Way to shit-stir, Ian!! :lol:
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Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
Here we get a lot of "guests", they can be seen browsing the forum. Very few join. And lots of people have left.
Personally, I believe it's because the most current posts are often heavily argumentative.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners...
All true apart from the fact that the BBS could be used for the same purpose and with similar levels of success if not for the fact of its current reputation, you know?
Very good points.
I just think that racist rhetoric is like violent rhetoric... something that we who believe in liberty and peace shouldn't want anywhere near us. Just my .02.
Highline - how is reverse racism handled at your forum?
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Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
Here we get a lot of "guests", they can be seen browsing the forum. Very few join. And lots of people have left.
Personally, I believe it's because the most current posts are often heavily argumentative.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners...
All true apart from the fact that the BBS could be used for the same purpose and with similar levels of success if not for the fact of its current reputation, you know?
Very good points.
I just think that racist rhetoric is like violent rhetoric... something that we who believe in liberty and peace shouldn't want anywhere near us. Just my .02.
Highline - how is reverse racism handled at your forum?
Well, it isn't my forum, it is Ian's. I just volunteer my time to help him.
What do you mean by reverse racism? Like someone calling a white person a cracker? I would say that qualifies as bigotry.
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Highline is now a moderator. 8)
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No, Brasky, you didn't as me. Not once.
The policy was about a day old. I tested it and was Rubber-Roomed by my next visit. It wasn't a big deal then, it isn't now.
And yes, I do understand. Do you recall me saying that I run a BBS myself? I'm the 2nd owner, it's been up since the 90's. It's had seasons of success. It is a model community of like minded people with similar goals. Everyone is polite, there are occasional flare-ups that are dealt with as well as the usual problem of spam and whatnot.
Even considering all of those positives- traffic has dropped drastically. That sucks. But it's more of a personal loss as opposed to a financial one for me, as that BBS has never accepted advertising (I get offers weekly) - not even a loss really as many members have simply rejoined on facebook.
Bullshit. The "policy" has been in effect for years. Its just that we were all on tenderhooks because every asshole with two fingers spent their time worming around it, and bitching to Ian every time someone got banned.
If you admit you were labeled as "racist", and obviously Dragline was spending every day skirting the edge, how is it even a fucking question?
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Highline is now a moderator. 8)
Good.
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Highline is now a moderator. 8)
Good.
Well thanks guys. 8)
Perhaps we could all bring our heads together in a private forum where we could discuss how we could improve the community as a whole?
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Perhaps we could all bring our heads together in a private forum where we could discuss how we could improve the community as a whole?
FTL CREW yo. You should be able to see it now.
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No, Brasky, you didn't as me. Not once.
The policy was about a day old. I tested it and was Rubber-Roomed by my next visit. It wasn't a big deal then, it isn't now.
And yes, I do understand. Do you recall me saying that I run a BBS myself? I'm the 2nd owner, it's been up since the 90's. It's had seasons of success. It is a model community of like minded people with similar goals. Everyone is polite, there are occasional flare-ups that are dealt with as well as the usual problem of spam and whatnot.
Even considering all of those positives- traffic has dropped drastically. That sucks. But it's more of a personal loss as opposed to a financial one for me, as that BBS has never accepted advertising (I get offers weekly) - not even a loss really as many members have simply rejoined on facebook.
Bullshit. The "policy" has been in effect for years. Its just that we were all on tenderhooks because every asshole with two fingers spent their time worming around it, and bitching to Ian every time someone got banned.
If you admit you were labeled as "racist", and obviously Dragline was spending every day skirting the edge, how is it even a fucking question?
The policy, the one that was about a day old, that I was referring to is the word filter.
I don't even remember why I was labeled racist, but it certainly wasn't because I'd used a naughty word.
Well, it isn't my forum, it is Ian's. I just volunteer my time to help him.
What do you mean by reverse racism? Like someone calling a white person a cracker? I would say that qualifies as bigotry.
I think that qualifies as well. It's central to this whole ruckus going on right now, unfortunately.
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No, Brasky, you didn't as me. Not once.
The policy was about a day old. I tested it and was Rubber-Roomed by my next visit. It wasn't a big deal then, it isn't now.
And yes, I do understand. Do you recall me saying that I run a BBS myself? I'm the 2nd owner, it's been up since the 90's. It's had seasons of success. It is a model community of like minded people with similar goals. Everyone is polite, there are occasional flare-ups that are dealt with as well as the usual problem of spam and whatnot.
Even considering all of those positives- traffic has dropped drastically. That sucks. But it's more of a personal loss as opposed to a financial one for me, as that BBS has never accepted advertising (I get offers weekly) - not even a loss really as many members have simply rejoined on facebook.
Bullshit. The "policy" has been in effect for years. Its just that we were all on tenderhooks because every asshole with two fingers spent their time worming around it, and bitching to Ian every time someone got banned.
If you admit you were labeled as "racist", and obviously Dragline was spending every day skirting the edge, how is it even a fucking question?
The policy, the one that was about a day old, that I was referring to is the word filter.
I don't even remember why I was labeled racist, but it certainly wasn't because I'd used a naughty word.
Well, it isn't my forum, it is Ian's. I just volunteer my time to help him.
What do you mean by reverse racism? Like someone calling a white person a cracker? I would say that qualifies as bigotry.
I think that qualifies as well. It's central to this whole ruckus going on right now, unfortunately.
As a person who speaks fluent legaleeze, I think Ian worded the new policy particularly well:
F. Chronic expressions of direct abuse toward a collective ethnic group of people will not be tolerated. If you collectivize a group of people by their genotype and make directly negative comments about said group you are treading thin ice. The determination of the words “Ethnic group” and “Chronic” shall be left to the discretion of the moderators.
This allows for discussion of pretty much anything but prohibits the "dragline" pandering that is distasteful, disrespectful, and detracts from the professionalism of the business/community.
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F. Chronic expressions of direct abuse toward a collective ethnic group of people will not be tolerated. If you collectivize a group of people by their genotype and make directly negative comments about said group you are treading thin ice. The determination of the words “Ethnic group” and “Chronic” shall be left to the discretion of the moderators.
This allows for discussion of pretty much anything but prohibits the "dragline" pandering.
By golly I tried my best to hammer it down.
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I'm starting to think this is Ian's version of the Stanford Prison experiment.
I have a hunch.
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I'm starting to think this is Ian's version of the Stanford Prison experiment.
I have a hunch.
Ha!
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If you're gonna have a policy, it may as well apply to everyone - that is what I always say.
Shaw wrote that though, not Ian, right?
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Shaw wrote that though, not Ian, right?
Yes.
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Shaw wrote that though, not Ian, right?
Yes.
Well done, sir. I think you modeled it quite well.
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No, I just meant his fickleness in modding, unmodding, re-modding........... all that stuff.
Seems like he's just doing it as some social experiment.
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Well done, sir. I think you modeled it quite well.
Thanks, I'd have made a good lawyer had I not hated the law.
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The policy, the one that was about a day old, that I was referring to is the word filter.
The "one that was about a day old" was several years old, the rule itself. No racism. Ask the fucking guy, he's here.
The filter was implemented when I found it, and is irrelevant to the debate. Its just a tool that I happened to find. It magically appeared when the new build happened. A few months prior.
Heres how that happened, if you care at all.
I, and John both, were sick and weary of debating with assholes about bigotry and general mayhem, directed specifically at us.
I decided to no longer play this game. I made a decision, after finding said filter: Fuck Youse. I will go away, but prevent shitty behavior.
I alerted the general populace.. Say what you want, but if I deem it racist or potentially illegal in a very bad way that could get Ian in problems, I will change it, and make you look alarmingly stupid. (meaning, anyone)
That would require you to forever look backwards, never knowing for certain what your posts said - if they said one thing: Nigger. And Nigga.
I went on to further explain, similar usage to other ethnicities, religions, or sexual preferences might also be treated equally.
But you all know, I'm pretty tolerant. I mean, come on.
I have a pretty filthy way, myself. And you all know that.
So if I was gonna wreck your shit, it'd have to be pretty goddamn nasty on your part.
I don't see what the problem is.
You had approximately 99.99% of the whole fucking universe to discuss. But you were hunkered down like a fucking scumbag over that .01%
So, heres what you do... You make your goddamn USERNAME the filthiest shit in the book.
Dude, I am very keenly aware of exactly what you did. You looked square the fuck at me, and dared me to make some sort of adjustment of your goddamn attitude.
So I threw your shitty fuckin ass in a hole.
And I'll do it again.
So fuck you.
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I'm starting to think this is Ian's version of the Stanford Prison experiment.
I have a hunch.
I'm pretty mild-mannered, so the theory is that I'll be terribly corrupted by power and start roaming the board in sharpened stiletto heels, cracking a whip and delivering severe punishments for minor and/or imaginary infractions?
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I'm starting to think this is Ian's version of the Stanford Prison experiment.
I have a hunch.
I'm pretty mild-mannered, so the theory is that I'll be terribly corrupted by power and start roaming the board in sharpened stiletto heels, cracking a whip and delivering severe punishments for minor and/or imaginary infractions?
You saw that Photoshop I made right?
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I'm starting to think this is Ian's version of the Stanford Prison experiment.
I have a hunch.
I'm pretty mild-mannered, so the theory is that I'll be terribly corrupted by power and start roaming the board in sharpened stiletto heels, cracking a whip and delivering severe punishments for minor and/or imaginary infractions?
You saw that Photoshop I made right?
:lol: I did. Mr. Joy thought it was awesome. Said it's a shame I can't work it into a costume for this year's halloween party theme.
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.....so ian....
i respectfully & humbly decline your offer to moderize me.
thanks anyways.
maybe another time.
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.....so ian....
i respectfully & humbly decline your offer to moderize me.
thanks anyways.
maybe another time.
Now that we know for certain it wasn't Ian who unbanned you...
Ecolitan sour grapes obviously.
Gee, what to do?
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
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I'm starting to think this is Ian's version of the Stanford Prison experiment.
I have a hunch.
I'm pretty mild-mannered, so the theory is that I'll be terribly corrupted by power and start roaming the board in sharpened stiletto heels, cracking a whip and delivering severe punishments for minor and/or imaginary infractions?
Oh I dont know about all that. :lol: The stiletto heels I can handle............. the whip........not so much.
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
Don't fucking talk to me.
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
Don't fucking talk to me.
Bill Brasky, you have an ignore list (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/profile/?u=3833;sa=ignprefs), it appears you need to use it and/or calm the eff down and discuss things rationally. As someone looking in you're not doing yourself any favors by flying off the handle when someone brings up what appear to be valid and truthful critiques of your moderation.
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Highline is now a moderator. 8)
Good.
+1
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfeXbJ07qoM&feature=related[/youtube]
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
Don't fucking talk to me.
Bill Brasky, you have an ignore list (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/profile/?u=3833;sa=ignprefs), it appears you need to use it and/or calm the eff down and discuss things rationally. As someone looking in you're not doing yourself any favors by flying off the handle when someone brings up what appear to be valid and truthful critiques of your moderation.
Mind your own business.
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
Don't fucking talk to me.
You win dude. Don't have it in me to continue shitty macho middle school drama.
Not to imply that you've chosen sides or anything - but thanks assawyer for the words.
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Time,
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHhpzFSKOg[/youtube]
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
Don't fucking talk to me.
Bill Brasky, you have an ignore list (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/profile/?u=3833;sa=ignprefs), it appears you need to use it and/or calm the eff down and discuss things rationally. As someone looking in you're not doing yourself any favors by flying off the handle when someone brings up what appear to be valid and truthful critiques of your moderation.
Mind your own business.
You again make my point for me Bill Brasky.
Not to imply that you've chosen sides or anything - but thanks assawyer for the words.
You're welcome Aunt Bee. I haven't taken sides because I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes. Bill Brasky is making it easier for me to think that he's difficult to deal with and what people have said about him in this thread have more credibility.
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Bill Brasky is making it easier for me to think that he's difficult to deal with and what people have said about him in this thread have more credibility.
Your interactions with him must have been limited so far. This stuff is a culmination of a couple years of back and forth between quite a few users.
Brasky is one of the mellower people around here and an all around good guy.
People aren't allowed to post racist crap on the BBS.
Hellbilly/Aunt Bee has, in the past, taken, shall we say, ambiguous stances on the issue of race, and definitely has a... significant interest in the subject and pushing the boundaries, if not relentlessly and offensively then at least consistently.
Consistently to the point where I and other people on the BBS, mods or not, have called him a racist. He chooses to deny this by saying that he is ""Not a bigot."
Fine.
But at the center of every single topic about race and racism and ethnicity and all of that wrapped up with genetics you will find no one on the BBS more active than "Aunt Bee"
I've had angry and annoyed outbursts about it, other people have as well. Brasky deserves a turn.
The fact that Aunt Bee/Hellbilly continues to be tolerated in regards to this subject is that he never pokes more than a couple toes over the line, and we are, in fact tolerant, contrary to what some people may tell you.
But lemme tell you this - There's a threshold for dancing on the line. Toes in, wiggling fingers over it, pissing over it, that sort of thing has eventual limits.
Brasky is a mod. He hasn't banned Aunt Bee. He has told him to knock it off, and now to fuck off.
Aunt Bee will probably gladly admit that he's trying to push buttons. Well he pushed 'em and now he got yelled at. Aw shucks.
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Every other mod at least gives people way too many chances.
I'm not that nice.
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For fuck's sakes. More than a year ago you, Shaw, reminded me that we had "buried the hatchet" on this shit. Why are you singling me out again? Especially considering this nonsense is between Brasky and myself and has nothing to do with you.
My stances on race are ambiguous? Ask me what you're unsure of about my point of view. I've been nothing but clear.
"Fine." ? If you think I'm a bigot, once again, you're invited to back the claim up.
And if you can't, doesn't this fall under the BBS rule of flamebait? Years of it now.
I'm also consistent in being critical of mindless consumerism, pop culture, and stupid people of all colors, not just blacks.
As for "the line" - it's the ambiguity of the line that's central to this shit. Is the rule "No Bigotry" or is it "No N-Word"? I don't think me pointing out that silly detail has lead to all this drama, so what's the agenda?
More people would speak out, probably, if they didn't want to offend any of the old schoolers here. Or maybe they don't want all their personal information shared by a moderator as a form of punishment for being naughty on the board... like it was in the old days.
Since you're now speaking on Brasky's behalf, this is another example of the mods closing rank and insulating one another from fair criticism from just a casual browser. Kinda reminds me of how Brasky spoke up for you when your feelings got all hurt over some words from Dragline. "Aw shucks." That had nothing to do with Brasky, this had nothing to do with you.
I know you guys spend time twiddling the back end of the BBS but expressing so much emotion over this place is spooky.
I already backed off visting here because of this shit, came back when there was a proposal to reboot and try starting anew. Funny how it's a couple of mods with agendas who are keeping teh same routine going. Great job.
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A bunch of angry
Dude, you claim you aren't a bigot. I said fine. I didn't say fine.
I am not calling you a racist. Jesus fuck.
I think I was being perfectly diplomatic overall on the subject. The point of my post wasn't to take a shot at you in any way, it was to point out that this has been an ongoing thing and to consider that the issue is more complex than may seem. And it is. This person has been a member for a while but has few posts. It seems like they may not browse to BBS often and I was chucking some background info out there.
Ease up yo.
Are you suggesting that there isn't some dispute between yourself and others on the board about your views in regard to race?
We have had conversations both here and via PM. I don't know if I'd call you a racist or not but you say that "I am not a bigot." Fine. I take you at your word. I have thoughts on the subject either way.
I am not busting on you and I have no current beef with you.
Nevertheless, everything I said about race being sorta of high interest to you stands. The idea that someone else on the board would get wound up by your "thing" with race is no surprise to me, and your demands for a list of every single racial epithet and how and when it is or is not permitted on the BBS is just trying to start bullshit. Bullshit that is obviously pissing Brasky off. In this case yes, I think you are going out of your way to have a fight over a moot subject.
Quit hitting bears with sticks and bears won't roar at ya already.
Again... Sheesh.
FOR THE RECORD, JUST SO EVERYONE CAN SEE ME SAY IT - I AM NOT CALLING AUNT BEE A RACIST. I AM NOT EVEN IMPLYING IT. I AM SAYING THAT THERE IS A HISTORY OF CONTROVERSY OVER THE ISSUE AND IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT COME TO SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS THAT I HAD IN THE PAST.
P.S. - I don't recall Brasky and I ever talking about you at all. Dragline yes. You I don't think so. You don't do what Dragline did.
P.P.S - Brasky seemingly dropped it a page ago with "Don't fucking talk to me." which may not be friendly but was obviously him walking away, and you came right back swinging anyhow. Take a step back and consider that at least. Dude was walking away. You take a parting shot. Just sayin'.
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There's a bit of a slant in your previous post up there, John. I think it'd be hard to deny it.
Your words: I "choose to deny being a bigot" ? As opposed to what?
Hey wait! I know... Choosing to admit that I am! That's the implication.
Overall the tone and message come right through... I'm "tolerated" and "Aw shucks" accent the implication quite well.
I'm not gonna explain the name change agenda again. How much more could possible be said? From anyone.
But- as far as the poking of bears goes, sure I know it's metaphorical but it's commonly reserved to describe a peon who fucks with someone of authority. Which kinda fits in this scenario, so I think I need to mention that we aren't talking about dangerous beings in powerful positions - we're talking about two guys sitting behind our fucking computers bitching. One of them, The Bear, has access to a ban button. Wow.
Instead of RAGE all I'm able to muster is a somewhat bizarro-world sense of something being funny.. but irked because I'm the butt of the joke and it's the same joke being told repeatedly and I nod and grin, nod and grin and think to myself.. WTF?
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There's a bit of a slant in your previous post up there, John. I think it'd be hard to deny it.
Your words: I "choose to deny being a bigot" ? As opposed to what?
Hey wait! I know... Choosing to admit that I am! That's the implication.
Overall the tone and message come right through... I'm "tolerated" and "Aw shucks" accent the implication quite well.
So why don't you tell me exactly how I should have said it so as not to have implied all of those things. Sorta like you expect from the mods.
Please explain in detail.
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I can ban him, you know.
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I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes.
So, why are you including yourself in a months-old argument, if you don't know a fucking thing about it?
To me, this speaks volumes.
I wouldn't dream or dare to presume my position is valid, if I were you. Its like watching the last half-hour of a movie, and telling everyone you're an expert on the plot.
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Don't have it in me to continue shitty macho middle school drama.
You mean, the shitty middle-school drama that you've instigated for the last two months?
ME: Please refrain x100
You: No.
Is that the shitty middle-school drama of which you speak?
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Hey, Hellbilly. As long as you're running your fucking mouth, why not enlighten the forum on this:
What was the exact name you changed your username to, after all the racial arguments, that provoked me to lock you in the troll thread?
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" . " - sounds like you're still on one.
Two things, short as shit:
1. The BBS has a "No Racism & Bigotry" rule. You were enforcing a "No N-Word" rule. Those two are not the same.
2. There are obvious workarounds to most any rule. In the spirit of FTL in general (big fans of pointing out the pointlessness in petty rules - manicure licenses, etc.) my intent was to show you a loophole - the username.
I did nothing to provoke you on a personal level (as in lookin ya right in the eye), you chose to make it personal with lame name-calling. Dunno why, but I'm still surprised at how emotional you seem to be about it. To me it's still just two members of a forum having an exchange, light jabs, etc. and certainly nothing major. Ease up, Dude.
Don't fucking talk to me.
Bill Brasky, you have an ignore list (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/profile/?u=3833;sa=ignprefs), it appears you need to use it and/or calm the eff down and discuss things rationally. As someone looking in you're not doing yourself any favors by flying off the handle when someone brings up what appear to be valid and truthful critiques of your moderation.
Mind your own business.
You again make my point for me Bill Brasky.
Not to imply that you've chosen sides or anything - but thanks assawyer for the words.
You're welcome Aunt Bee. I haven't taken sides because I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes. Bill Brasky is making it easier for me to think that he's difficult to deal with and what people have said about him in this thread have more credibility.
I have given up interacting with the guy for the most part.
There are very few people I want to associate with here any more.
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The few rules I enforce will be as follows...
#1 - Violence. Anybody who makes direct violent threats or statements, will just be miserably fucked.. period. Go ahead and try, it might not happen immediately, but sleep with one eye open.. Probly might wanna flush your dope and save your pennies for a good lawyer. This includes Tom Alciere. I will accumulate so much data on a clown, the prosecutor will just tell the judge to read my shit right on the bench.
#2 - CP. Same.
#3 - Racism, bigotry. Most words won't attract my ire, but a few will. You won't know which ones. I can now enter your posts without leaving any signatures, so if you say something obnoxious, it'll probably get changed to make you look like a fucking moron.
#4 - Illegal gun stuff. I'll defer to John on that one, if he's around. I don't know all, but I can wing it with 99% accuracy. If I act on that stuff, you'll have no warning at all. I'll just send a link to your post to the DHS and let them figure it out.
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Go ahead and bitch all you want. Those tools are in my mod kit, and you fuckers wanna dig into the nuances of the ToS, I'm well within my parameters.
The point is civility, and personal responsibility. You say it, you fuckin' own it. And after a few days, when you've forgotten about it, it'll maybe become a Google Maps link to your house. If it pisses me off.
You won't know what got changed, or where. So you'll have to look back over all your shit forever, if you habitually use racial epithets to see if you have something embarrassing attached to your posts, or if it's signed with your own personal information rather than hiding in anonymity. As far as I'm concerned, when you threaten violence or use harassing tactics, you forfeit your right to anonymous existence here. So, you probably won't be banned, but you'll wish you were.
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I know where you go, what you review. If you typically review your posts to page three, I'll start fucking with your posts on page four. And you will be ultimately be dragging a wagon-load of the most damaging shit you've ever imagined.
Welcome to Thunderdome.
Thats what you get for making me think hard about how to operate within the parameters. I don't like to operate within the parameters. Don't make me think hard again, because I guarantee I am the most vicious person you'll run across in a long, long time.
This thread will remain open and sticky'd as an alert page for you people to police yourselves. This is not a discussion thread, but you can talk here for a while regarding the above. Remember, this forum is public, and virtually un-moderated. The forum where almost anything goes. And the things that don't go, well.. won't go well for you.
#4 - Illegal gun stuff. I'll defer to John on that one, if he's around. I don't know all, but I can wing it with 99% accuracy. If I act on that stuff, you'll have no warning at all. I'll just send a link to your post to the DHS and let them figure it out.
fuck.... AND I don't think Ian would like that. It is definitely not in keeping w/ the keep the law far far from here philosophy.
He's on probation, after jail. This is his property, and illegal gun is illegal.
Legally, it's probably required to inform the law. I donno for sure, but I'll guess it probably is. Its called being proactive to make sure it simply doesn't happen, before it happens. You should thank me on behalf of those people, that I'll fuck with them and run them off before someone got into serious problems.
When we delete shit here, it's not actually deleted. It still resides in the system, in a junk file you can't see. So, it's still on the premises. People get fucked federally when electronic message systems distribute data across state lines. Ian could potentially get in more trouble than the guy who posted it, since he owns the place. The feds could use it as a legitimate reason to haul him off when he's just sitting on his couch, not doing anything wrong at all. He wouldn't even know it was here. How the fuck is he supposed to know the details of everything that's here?
It would be helpful if you'd have a better understanding of the concepts you're opining upon. I know that you actually do, and I'm not being insulting. I just don't think the whole enchilada occurred to you, having never gave it much thought from this perspective. Thats understandable. No sarcasm here, no insults, it's not a stab.
You wanna post illegal gun stuff here, better think hard about it. For the record, no bomb stuff, either. Blackies bomb thread I don't like, but I'm willing to bet it's safe. He's a pretty smart guy. But from here on out, I'm gonna be looking much closer.
The reason you stay zero-tolerance is obvious. If this place turns to a meeting-hall for violent people, with violent agendas, discussing bad things openly because they think it's un-moderated, that's my fault.
So, those are the people who may "drag the wagon-load" of damaging personal info, or look like they have an obsession with very crude bestiality. DHS is the absolute last resort. Before that, they'll be discouraged in a variety of ways. Usually, people ramp-up and start with plain vanilla violence. If they challenge and challenge, and refuse to comply - off it goes. They don't come out of the chute on Post #1 posting modified gun informational blueprints.
It amuses me that people bitch so hard about what may happen. We've had a zero-tolerance policy against illegal gun stuff here for years. And suddenly NOW you have a problem with it.
IIRC, that is the first time anyone had ever said there is a problem with "bomb" threads. And so far, Brasky is the only one that has said that. In the 5 or 6 years I have been posting here I have never received a PM from a mod, or any other user about those threads or posts. Considering Ian just made me a mod again, I assume he doesn't have a problem with it.
But anyway, here was my response:
For the record, no bomb stuff, either. Blackies bomb thread I don't like, but I'm willing to bet it's safe. He's a pretty smart guy. But from here on out, I'm gonna be looking much closer.
I've been holding off two weeks on a pretty good update for that thread about the Oslo bombing. I edited the dude's 1400 page rant down to about 60 pages. It's pretty much a log of his activities leading up to the bombing, including details of the bomb construction.
edit:
Now that I think about it, you can just delete that thread. I can find a different place to discuss recent bombings.
I can ban him, you know.
I can ban Brasky. I just checked. If he pulls one of his mod power trips again, I will.
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Every other mod at least gives people way too many chances.
I'm not that nice.
In the Wild West, it's well known that he banned a guy just for snoring.
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For fuck's sakes. More than a year ago you, Shaw, reminded me that we had "buried the hatchet" on this shit. Why are you singling me out again? Especially considering this nonsense is between Brasky and myself and has nothing to do with you.
Can I take a stab at this as someone who might be slightly more objective by virtue of not being familiar with the old argument (at least I've forgotten if I did see it).
Maybe cause you're stirring shit up again after it felt all settled? And maybe Shaw is being as honest as he possibly can be. You sound kinda like a bigot to me by being upset about not being able to say "nigger" with wild abandon. Do I KNOW you're a bigot? No. Am I really confident you're a bigot? No. I just kinda suspect you are. Like was said, you seem obsessed.
And now you're arguing with the mods about policy, which makes you kinda sound like a troll to boot. That matters way more than being racist on a forum. A racist who is trying to persuade would actually carefully word their arguments to not directly offend because that interferes with actual persuasion. A troll will push buttons because they like to stir shit up and get attn, even negative attn. They often are entertained by it, i.e. they are entertained at the expense of others having a good experience and trying to have productive or at least fun discussions. Either that ore they just suck at persuasion and will resort to pushing to keep a discussion going when others have gotten bored with them.
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It's quite interesting how the owner (Ian?)
capitulated to a wild rant/tantrum by this " Brasky" person.
This is the sort of character he chooses to be an impartial & fair constable in this forum?
I also see the cronyism between at least 3 of these, so called, moderators.
Where's the check & balance? Or am I going to be told to mind my own fucking business as well?
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Where's the check & balance? Or am I going to be told to mind my own fucking business as well?
I dont know.....
I'm not really cronies with any of them, but I've never been banned for offensive stuff I've said in the past. I think it comes down to personally hurtful shit thats been directed towards one person or another at different times in the past, usually set off by just one comment or suggestion by a mod to a poster about something they've said........then it snowballs. That shit sticks sometimes.
"ALL YOUR MOMS CAN SUCK MY COCK!!"
See? Im still here.
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Why are people still allowed to change their names? As someone who doesn't follow the drama here and all that mess, it's pretty confusing when people change their display names at will. I thought we were trying to decrease the anonymity here?
I thought the board was much better before the name change policy was implemented. It was easier to get to know who's who. I figure that many of the people posting in this thread know who everyone is all the time, so I figured I'd throw that out there as a major problem for the "casual user" crowd.
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Johnny Carson, are you dragline? me thinks you are.
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Johnny Carson, are you dragline? me thinks you are.
I doubt it, but it turns out he definitely was someone who didn't belong here. He's gone now.
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I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes.
So, why are you including yourself in a months-old argument, if you don't know a fucking thing about it?
To me, this speaks volumes.
I am sorry, I didn't know this was a private behind-the-scenes conversation... :?
I wouldn't dream or dare to presume my position is valid, if I were you. Its like watching the last half-hour of a movie, and telling everyone you're an expert on the plot.
You are horrible with analogies. Your analogy presupposes that I somehow indicated I was an expert on you, the BBS moderator flame war, or life in general. I never did so. I merely pointed out that you were and are flying off the handle and it seemed unjustified; while pointing out that I don't know a lot of the back-story. I purposely indicated that I was only responding to your current outburst which seemed over-the-top.
I suggest that you soften your responses if you want to win friends and influence people in this new era of FTL BBS.
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It is unfortunate that there are so many inter-personal conflicts amongst the moderation staff here. Personally, to me, you all seem like really nice people who have gotten under each others skin in various ways. It is bound to happen in real life, and even more bound to happen with assertive and opinionated people such as we are.
If it is possible to put all that aside and just focus all efforts towards making this community a more enjoyable place for FTL listeners, I am sure the site usage will once again increase. Of course, I believe this will require people to show respect for people they may not personally care for... if for nothing other than the goal of working together to get this place jump started again.
:)
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What a clusterfuck. :shock:
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What a clusterfuck. :shock:
I've found it to be a rather entertaining clusterfuck.
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What a clusterfuck. :shock:
I've found it to be a rather entertaining clusterfuck.
I'll give you that. Ha.
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inter-personal conflicts amongst the moderation staff here.
The whole cleanup and rebuild of the BBS was predicated by mods having their hands tied and relying upon their words rather than the ability to actually moderate properly.
In the past it was required for mods to scream and yell and cajole and beg for literally a couple years at a time to deal with a problem child.
This stuff will ease off in a short time. All debates of racism aside, Aunt Bee has been baiting Brasky for months and needs to drop it. Until he does Brasky is probably gonna be hostile.
Aunt Bee was changing his username between a bunch of really, REALLY offensive racial epithets. This is not debatable and is verified by many sources, mods included.
This is ongoing stuff that will settle down in a few days or weeks. We're all adjusting here, give it some time.
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Well...the good news is that most people like me. :D
...if the don't - fuck 'em.
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It is unfortunate that there are so many inter-personal conflicts amongst the moderation staff here. Personally, to me, you all seem like really nice people who have gotten under each others skin in various ways. It is bound to happen in real life, and even more bound to happen with assertive and opinionated people such as we are.
Outside of a few very persistant violent/race-baiting trolls, I think many of the conflicts seem larger than they are.
The moderators cover wide areas of the board, making easy targets for anybody who wants to pick a fight.
Instead of an argument staying in one place, it ends up being everywhere you browse.
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It is unfortunate that there are so many inter-personal conflicts amongst the moderation staff here. Personally, to me, you all seem like really nice people who have gotten under each others skin in various ways. It is bound to happen in real life, and even more bound to happen with assertive and opinionated people such as we are.
Outside of a few very persistant violent/race-baiting trolls, I think many of the conflicts seem larger than they are.
The moderators cover wide areas of the board, making easy targets for anybody who wants to pick a fight.
Instead of an argument staying in one place, it ends up being everywhere you browse.
Perhaps this could be resolved by simply making moderation more private than public?
On #LRN I try to PM people first and ask them politely to stop whatever thing their doing that is unacceptable. Why not do that here as policy rather than situational? Making moderation more private would remove the mods from conflict around what they're doing.
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It is unfortunate that there are so many inter-personal conflicts amongst the moderation staff here. Personally, to me, you all seem like really nice people who have gotten under each others skin in various ways. It is bound to happen in real life, and even more bound to happen with assertive and opinionated people such as we are.
If it is possible to put all that aside and just focus all efforts towards making this community a more enjoyable place for FTL listeners, I am sure the site usage will once again increase. Of course, I believe this will require people to show respect for people they may not personally care for... if for nothing other than the goal of working together to get this place jump started again.
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This is the post apocalyptic biker bar of message boards.
Oh... you should have seen what I just deleted.
There are some very interesting developments. So far I just wish that Hellbilly had excepted mod position. Otherwise I am pleased.
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Bill Brasky is making it easier for me to think that he's difficult to deal with and what people have said about him in this thread have more credibility.
Your interactions with him must have been limited so far. This stuff is a culmination of a couple years of back and forth between quite a few users.
Brasky is one of the mellower people around here and an all around good guy.
People aren't allowed to post racist crap on the BBS.
Hellbilly/Aunt Bee has, in the past, taken, shall we say, ambiguous stances on the issue of race, and definitely has a... significant interest in the subject and pushing the boundaries, if not relentlessly and offensively then at least consistently.
Consistently to the point where I and other people on the BBS, mods or not, have called him a racist. He chooses to deny this by saying that he is ""Not a bigot."
Fine.
But at the center of every single topic about race and racism and ethnicity and all of that wrapped up with genetics you will find no one on the BBS more active than "Aunt Bee"
I've had angry and annoyed outbursts about it, other people have as well. Brasky deserves a turn.
The fact that Aunt Bee/Hellbilly continues to be tolerated in regards to this subject is that he never pokes more than a couple toes over the line, and we are, in fact tolerant, contrary to what some people may tell you.
But lemme tell you this - There's a threshold for dancing on the line. Toes in, wiggling fingers over it, pissing over it, that sort of thing has eventual limits.
Brasky is a mod. He hasn't banned Aunt Bee. He has told him to knock it off, and now to fuck off.
Aunt Bee will probably gladly admit that he's trying to push buttons. Well he pushed 'em and now he got yelled at. Aw shucks.
This is what I would have preferred to see from Brasky. I appreciate there is a lot of back-and-forth that I am not aware of. If "Brasky is one of the mellower people" he definitely isn't showing it in this thread.
Moving on, hopefully the race baiting trolls will be stamped out and moderators will punish them and other miscreants accordingly. Love live FTL BBS 2.0.1
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This is what I would have preferred to see from Brasky. I appreciate there is a lot of back-and-forth that I am not aware of. If "Brasky is one of the mellower people" he definitely isn't showing it in this thread.
Yeah but peeps get angry yo. Everyone knows I've had my moments. You kinda stepped in into the middle of a conflict that has spread across months and probably a half dozen threads. I totally get that that can tint your view of the situation. Totally understandable.
Just keep in mind what Brasky has DONE versus what he had said. Also, watch carefully exactly what he says rather than how he says it.
He's still in conversation, he hasn't threatened, he hasn't made a lot of personal attacks.
Sure, he hostile, and he's making his wishes known. Again, everyone has their moments. I've had total hissy fits. I was justified in being angry too.
As I said in another thread, I think mods should be as free as other users to say what they think.
Brasky is a great guy. Aunt Bee isn't a total asshole. They used to get along and I'd say even chummy until Aunt Bee started changing his username to racist stuff I'd never post, and then playing dumb and demanding a list of permitted and non-permitted words.
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Brasky is a great guy. Aunt Bee isn't a total asshole. They used to get along and I'd say even chummy until Aunt Bee started changing his username to racist stuff I'd never post, and then playing dumb and demanding a list of permitted and non-permitted words.
Right at that point I believe he should have been banned for a week. No screwing around.
He comes back and does it again? Two weeks.
Again? Two months.
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Oh.. and as I have been anointed a Global Moderator I have used my new ability to designate assawyer a member of the "FTL Crew."
He is the FTL Facebook page admin and also a #LRN chat operator... so as he donates his time to the furtherance of FTL and LRN, I believe he deserves the title. 8)
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You kinda stepped in into the middle of a conflict that has spread across months and probably a half dozen threads. I totally get that that can tint your view of the situation. Totally understandable.
Just keep in mind what Brasky has DONE versus what he had said. Also, watch carefully exactly what he says rather than how he says it.
Which is why I made the initial post in the first place, outsiders/new posters would likely have a very different view of Brasky than others that have followed what he's said and done. I pretty much said "knock the ess off" without using those words; harsh, yes, but I don't mind calling it how I see it even if it puts me in a hornets nest. 8)
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I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes.
So, why are you including yourself in a months-old argument, if you don't know a fucking thing about it?
To me, this speaks volumes.
I am sorry, I didn't know this was a private behind-the-scenes conversation... :?
I wouldn't dream or dare to presume my position is valid, if I were you. Its like watching the last half-hour of a movie, and telling everyone you're an expert on the plot.
You are horrible with analogies. Your analogy presupposes that I somehow indicated I was an expert on you, the BBS moderator flame war, or life in general. I never did so. I merely pointed out that you were and are flying off the handle and it seemed unjustified; while pointing out that I don't know a lot of the back-story. I purposely indicated that I was only responding to your current outburst which seemed over-the-top.
I suggest that you soften your responses if you want to win friends and influence people in this new era of FTL BBS.
Its a fine analogy, and I'll stick with it. If you want to throw your two cents into the ring, go review the shit you're commenting on.
I don't care what you are, then or now.
Nobody says I have to like you.
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Oh.. and as I have been anointed a Global Moderator I have used my new ability to designate assawyer a member of the "FTL Crew."
Oooooh, pretty blue stars and a fancy title! :D
He is the FTL Facebook page admin and also a #LRN chat operator... so as he donates his time to the furtherance of FTL and LRN,
It is all true, though I am "one" of the FTL Facebook page admins. I can't take all the credit.
I believe he deserves the title. 8)
"I would appreciate it if you would address me as Colonel or Sir. I believe I've earned it." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEiFhKOnS1Y#ws) (7:41 for quote the time specific link doesn't work on embedding :x)
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I can ban Brasky. I just checked. If he pulls one of his mod power trips again, I will.
Good, go ahead.
Try to keep one thing in mind.. They're words. Until I take actions, the words are no different than any other words. So if you're offended by, basically, a trolling story, you're stupid.
Also, I noticed your bomb threads have toned down. Why is that?
You're a fucking hypocrite. Just so you know. Ban me for telling a story that gets people excited. Grow the fuck up.
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These damn young whippersnappers! Sheesh!
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I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes.
So, why are you including yourself in a months-old argument, if you don't know a fucking thing about it?
To me, this speaks volumes.
I am sorry, I didn't know this was a private behind-the-scenes conversation... :?
I wouldn't dream or dare to presume my position is valid, if I were you. Its like watching the last half-hour of a movie, and telling everyone you're an expert on the plot.
You are horrible with analogies. Your analogy presupposes that I somehow indicated I was an expert on you, the BBS moderator flame war, or life in general. I never did so. I merely pointed out that you were and are flying off the handle and it seemed unjustified; while pointing out that I don't know a lot of the back-story. I purposely indicated that I was only responding to your current outburst which seemed over-the-top.
I suggest that you soften your responses if you want to win friends and influence people in this new era of FTL BBS.
Its a fine analogy, and I'll stick with it. If you want to throw your two cents into the ring, go review the shit you're commenting on.
I don't care what you are, then or now.
Nobody says I have to like you.
Never asked for anyone to care about me "then or now." I read the entire thread before commenting in the thread and it was limited to your postings within the thread. I came at you harsh because you appeared to be way off base and was sarcastic by posting the ignore list url. If you want to move forward I would like that. If you want to stay mad with me that's up to you. I can use colorful language too while making demands, but would more or less people think I'm a fucking hot head...?
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You guys are discussing this like it's an epic battle. It's a fucking BBS.
Shaw & Brasky- I changed my name once. One time, Shaw. I forget the exact words and order but it went something like this: "Chink Spic Faggot Kike".
Why did I do this? Because it was announced that a word filter was now in place to guard against bigotry.
My point? To illustrate that bigotry isn't addressed in completion by censoring The N Word only.
Contrary to Shaw's words, I never demanded any words be added to the filter.
My opinion about the word filter? The filter is nonsense, it's a useless form of soft-censorship. Especially when it only serves to protect one group.
Can anyone here, particularly the mods, tell me why "The N Word" carries more weight as an insult than "faggot" does?
I've answered your questions. No one, particularly the mods, have given a good answer to that question. The closest attempt was from Brasky. I don't remember his exact words but it was indicated that there were conditions where it might be acceptable to use "faggot" or "cracker". I didn't argue that point, it speaks for itself- it might be OK to use faggot sometimes, but never The N Word. Is that the policy? Because if it isn't then those words will be filtered out when I post this.
If that sounds like "race baiting" to you, mods, ask yourself what the real issue is. Sounds more like you don't want to admit that you prefer a tougher stance on protecting the feelings some groups over others.
If this is me "trolling" why I am the one answering questions, repeatedly, in detail, staying on topic each time as a result of the mods not bothering to own up to their mistakes. My mistake is pointing out an obvious loophole in a shitty approach to feel-goodness. Oops. Won't happen again.
Can I take a stab at this as someone who might be slightly more objective by virtue of not being familiar with the old argument (at least I've forgotten if I did see it).
Maybe cause you're stirring shit up again after it felt all settled? And maybe Shaw is being as honest as he possibly can be. You sound kinda like a bigot to me by being upset about not being able to say "nigger" with wild abandon. Do I KNOW you're a bigot? No. Am I really confident you're a bigot? No. I just kinda suspect you are. Like was said, you seem obsessed.
And now you're arguing with the mods about policy, which makes you kinda sound like a troll to boot. That matters way more than being racist on a forum. A racist who is trying to persuade would actually carefully word their arguments to not directly offend because that interferes with actual persuasion. A troll will push buttons because they like to stir shit up and get attn, even negative attn. They often are entertained by it, i.e. they are entertained at the expense of others having a good experience and trying to have productive or at least fun discussions. Either that ore they just suck at persuasion and will resort to pushing to keep a discussion going when others have gotten bored with them.
Dale-
I'm not stirring shit up. I'm responding to the continuation of being called a bigot.
Check all my posts. I don't use the word "nigger" online or in real life. I'm not upset that people aren't allowed to say it here. I'm not offended when they do say it here or in real life. It's a word. When I first signed up it was a favorite word of BJ- used way too frequently to be funny - but I wasn;t offended. If I'm obsessed with anything it's with trying to sort out how white people have become so sensitive to The N Word that all other verbal insults aimed at any other group, even their own, don't matter any more. I don't understand that at all and have just attributed it to white guilt or a sensation or rush of some sort from participating in a witch hunt. It's mindless, sad and a little funny.
If the mods are enforcing a rule that doesn't make sense is trolling, then FTL and the FSP are the biggest trolls in the country. It's trolling to question/expose bad policy? I'll make a note o' that.
I'm not trying to persuade anyone in any way and this hasn't been entertaining in a very long time.
The BBS has a weak policy regarding racism & bigotry. It isn't "trolling" to point that out. I would have ditched this discussion long ago had accusations of me being a bigot stopped.
I don't think I could possibly be any more clear on any of this.
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Brasky is a great guy. Aunt Bee isn't a total asshole. They used to get along and I'd say even chummy until Aunt Bee started changing his username to racist stuff I'd never post, and then playing dumb and demanding a list of permitted and non-permitted words.
It's this kinda shit.
I thank you for the friendly nod, but I changed my name to include racist and homophobic words once - to question why they weren't in the word filter that is designed to prevent racist and bigoted words from appearing on the BBS. I never played dumb about any of this and never demanded anything from anyone.
Twilight Zone..
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I would think the best way to show you're not a racist would be to stop using offensive language usually associated with people who are racist. If you thought they should censor words other than the "n word", you could have sent a PM or email or something. There's no need to set the additional words you think should be censored as your username. That's pretty much just trolling.
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I would think the best way to show you're not a racist would be to stop using offensive language usually associated with people who are racist. If you thought they should censor words other than the "n word", you could have sent a PM or email or something. There's no need to set the additional words you think should be censored as your username. That's pretty much just trolling.
Nothing wrong with trolling... to an extent.
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Brasky is a great guy. Aunt Bee isn't a total asshole. They used to get along and I'd say even chummy until Aunt Bee started changing his username to racist stuff I'd never post, and then playing dumb and demanding a list of permitted and non-permitted words.
It's this kinda shit.
I thank you for the friendly nod, but I changed my name to include racist and homophobic words once - to question why they weren't in the word filter that is designed to prevent racist and bigoted words from appearing on the BBS. I never played dumb about any of this and never demanded anything from anyone.
Twilight Zone..
Because the word filter isn't programmed to work on usernames.
The intelligent man would've, maybe, out of curiosity, changed it, found the answer, then resumed normal life.
You left it for several days. As a challenge.
You can try to make it as pretty as you want. I am not new to this game.
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I don't know a lot of the behind the scenes.
So, why are you including yourself in a months-old argument, if you don't know a fucking thing about it?
To me, this speaks volumes.
I am sorry, I didn't know this was a private behind-the-scenes conversation... :?
I wouldn't dream or dare to presume my position is valid, if I were you. Its like watching the last half-hour of a movie, and telling everyone you're an expert on the plot.
You are horrible with analogies. Your analogy presupposes that I somehow indicated I was an expert on you, the BBS moderator flame war, or life in general. I never did so. I merely pointed out that you were and are flying off the handle and it seemed unjustified; while pointing out that I don't know a lot of the back-story. I purposely indicated that I was only responding to your current outburst which seemed over-the-top.
I suggest that you soften your responses if you want to win friends and influence people in this new era of FTL BBS.
Its a fine analogy, and I'll stick with it. If you want to throw your two cents into the ring, go review the shit you're commenting on.
I don't care what you are, then or now.
Nobody says I have to like you.
Never asked for anyone to care about me "then or now." I read the entire thread before commenting in the thread and it was limited to your postings within the thread. I came at you harsh because you appeared to be way off base and was sarcastic by posting the ignore list url. If you want to move forward I would like that. If you want to stay mad with me that's up to you. I can use colorful language too while making demands, but would more or less people think I'm a fucking hot head...?
I deemed you were a hothead when you stuck your face into where it doesn't belong.
You read one thread, theres hundreds. You have to live here day to day and watch it unfold, and be a part of the experience, like a domestic squabble that gets worse and worse.
Next time you're arguing with your woman-wife-girlfriend, and it's two months worth of back-story, see how you react to some dick intruding in the middle of the food court at the mall, being a third wheel in a place where he has no business chiming in.
Maybe my new hobby will be to nitpick everything YOU comment on, among my other interests.
(actually, that won't happen, because that would be pretty lame)
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Dale-
I'm not stirring shit up. I'm responding to the continuation of being called a bigot.
<plus a lot of other stuph>
Not a bad response.
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Brasky is a great guy. Aunt Bee isn't a total asshole. They used to get along and I'd say even chummy until Aunt Bee started changing his username to racist stuff I'd never post, and then playing dumb and demanding a list of permitted and non-permitted words.
It's this kinda shit.
I thank you for the friendly nod, but I changed my name to include racist and homophobic words once - to question why they weren't in the word filter that is designed to prevent racist and bigoted words from appearing on the BBS. I never played dumb about any of this and never demanded anything from anyone.
Twilight Zone..
Because the word filter isn't programmed to work on usernames.
The intelligent man would've, maybe, out of curiosity, changed it, found the answer, then resumed normal life.
You left it for several days. As a challenge.
You can try to make it as pretty as you want. I am not new to this game.
Jesus..
I keep telling myself I ain't gonna reply, but then another wacky comment comes along.
Remember that loophole I mentioned oh.. a dozen or so times? Yep. That's the username. That's precisely why I changed the username, cause that's where the loophole is, that someone might exploit, if they wanted to use a naughty word.
Interpreting every little thing that you don't like or agree with as a challenge, as in a request for some real mano-a-mano battle, on a personal level - on the internet.. is crazy, insecurity showing at the seams, or both. Guess that's the macho stuff again. Light jabs on the web don't strike me as serz bzness.
I'm stating everything right up front, exacty as it happened. That isn't "making it pretty".
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To me it shows that you're obsessed.
If you wanna talk macho bullshit, start there.
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Contrary to Shaw's words, I never demanded any words be added to the filter.
That is innaccurate and I never said any such thing.
Show me.
What I said was that you repeatedly kept asking for a list of words that were acceptable and words that were not, as if it were our jobs to satisfy your lawyering. And it WAS lawyering, man.
You did this. You did this many times. It is on record. It is a fact of reality that you did this.
If you were to post a post saying: "You know what? I don't hate people because of their genetics and I don't collectivise human beings as if they were breeds of cattle, but I admit, I have a fixation with the issue of race and I feel like exploring it even if it offends people a little." and then you proceeded to try not to fling words around that you know damned well will cause an incendiary negative reaction, nobody would probably take issue.
But you've historically done the opposite. You think you are making some sort of point by flinging words that can (Contextually, yes) hurt people based on their genetics, but the rest of us aren't getting the message, man. It's not coming through. Maybe consider that it's what you're saying rather than everyone else being dumb.
<<<Walks away unless his name is dragged in again.
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To me it shows that you're obsessed.
If you wanna talk macho bullshit, start there.
Anyone else having trouble following along?
If I'm obsessed with anything it's with trying to sort out how white people have become so sensitive to The N Word that all other verbal insults aimed at any other group, even their own, don't matter any more. I don't understand that at all and have just attributed it to white guilt or a sensation or rush of some sort from participating in a witch hunt. It's mindless, sad and a little funny.
At your request, I started there. Not at all sure how that relates to macho bullshit.
I don't truly wish to discuss macho bullshit, I'm frightened by that. But I did want to clarify, for those who may be having trouble reading posts, where my obsession may lie. I do tend to think about that more often than most do. But we all have our peculiar interests that are bound to come up in conversation.. guns, pot, etc.
I prefer the days where you and I shared short comments about interesting authors. Whatever dude.
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<<<Walks away unless his name is dragged in again.
Well, that's one down.
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Oh, and before this is interpreted as me considering myself having won a battle of some sort..
Having been tag teamed by Shaw & Brasky, with BJ squeezing in a couple jabs.. well, it's felt quite much like Whack A Mole, in a metaphorical sense, of course, except without the exhilaration (for me - but not for the moles I betcha!). Daunting, indeed. Tiresome, to be certain.
Feel good guys?
I wonder.. has Ian offered some sort of commission based reward for catchin trolls and racists? Do you get double bonus points if it's both in the same person? Is convincing others that a witch is resent on the village an effective technique?
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Now you're trolling.
I'm gonna ask you to stop now.
There was no victory for you at all here. I said, "Walking away unless his name is dragged in again."
Then your post is a post dragging me in again. At the same time posting an image implying that you stopped Jack Shit. With your little whack a mole metaphor.
You addressed nothing I said in that post, so this time I'm gonna reiterate it.
And because you carefully sidestepped the issue in a really kinda sleazy way rather than address a possible misunderstanding, I am now calling you out as a liar and demanding you provide evidence that I said you demanded words be added to some filter, or admit that you lied or at minimum misspoke.
Also, for the record, ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE ROCKS IN YOUR EARS -
Has ANYONE threatened to ban you at this point? ANSWER: Unless you received some PM I'm not aware of, no, because I haven't seen it on the board.
So congratulations on pulling the witch hunt card.
Now I'm gonna say it you need to drop this and walk away from this topic. Seriously. Stop busting on people and back off. I am asking you to do this. Not telling you.
I have written a good half dozen cogent and non-attacky posts trying to turn the volume down on this conversation by laying out facts and playing nice. You have, several times, responded by cherry picking my comments to find the most negative possible interpretation of my words. So I'm gonna ask you again, take a step back and chill. Post some boobs in the boob thread or some Chaos in the Chaos thread or whatever. Quit naming names and busting balls. Shit will settle down. You don't have to force this toy until it breaks.
Do you remember the epic scale of the battle between WTFK, Bonerjoe, Brasky, and Toars? Toars left for other reasons, but that shit lasted months, man. But everyone involved apart fro Toars is still here, and getting along fairly well, if not kissing each other on the cheek.
Just ease up or give yourself a break by participating in other ways until you're less angry if ya can manage it. Please.
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I think we all need to get together and have a drink.
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I think we all need to get together and have a drink.
I'm sure the man whom we all donate our time to help his operations run smoothly would be happy to buy a round. Or two. Or three.
Right... right...? *nudge* :D
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What I said was that you repeatedly kept asking for a list of words that were acceptable and words that were not, as if it were our jobs to satisfy your lawyering. And it WAS lawyering, man.
You did this. You did this many times. It is on record. It is a fact of reality that you did this.
QFT
I think it is all very clear, what is, and what is not appropriate.
There is no way for anyone to create a concise rule about words. Its not actually what you say, but HOW you say it.
I have never had a problem with the words themselves. What offends me is two very specific things:
One - wasting my time babysitting a bunch of dicks who have infinite combinations of shitty things to "clear past the censors".
Two - offending and dissuading the minority segment of forum visitors who may be various shades of brown.
Where this whole thing goes awry is you've eschewed that personal filter process, and instead decided to hammer the volunteers because you don't have the class to censor yourself.
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Since Brasky finally has grown a pair and is naming names (saying who the assholes are, and includes me amongst them) instead of bashfully hiding behind way too many words.. I don't think Brasky and I had any real disagreements here until the word filter came into play.
That is the same time my issues with Brasky started, but he called me out by name.
I think what happens is that once one of people he doesn't like is banned, he has to move on to a new target. Since he says he doesn't even like most people here, you can never tell who will be next.
Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
For me this whole thing started with Brasky's thread:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/trash-pile/read-first-rules-of-engagement-and-what-to-expect/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/trash-pile/read-first-rules-of-engagement-and-what-to-expect/)
If Brasky thinks that kind of behavior is ok, there is a problem. I'm surprised no mod said anything. Well, Lindsey did, and I agree with her.
Oooooooooooooooooooh lawd.
I'm not surprised Brasky was shitcanned when Ian got out.
Just keep in mind what Brasky has DONE versus what he had said. Also, watch carefully exactly what he says rather than how he says it.
I agree. But most people are banned for what they say. Just words.
The point is civility, and personal responsibility. You say it, you fuckin' own it.
When people are continually, unnaturally hostile THEY GOTTA GO.
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Do you remember the epic scale of the battle between WTFK, Bonerjoe, Brasky, and Toars? Toars left for other reasons, but that shit lasted months, man. But everyone involved apart fro Toars is still here, and getting along fairly well, if not kissing each other on the cheek.
No one should think I'm not reading this thread, either. My Gawd!
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Blackie's link is returning an error for me.
"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you. "
Mod. Brashawsky:
(I've combined the two of you since for the past few days you've both been parroting the same message to which I've responded, usually repeating myself to both of you, post after post after post. Maybe this will help condense the message.)
I offered to lay off a couple days ago. I posted in the serious threads as my part of the reboot of the BBS. I've posted that I'm fine, that to me this is not a serious issue.
Posts that are stated something like "You did this. You caused this. This is your fault." I picture the Godfather in a dark room about to cry. That's just more severe than I am capable of considering this. There seems to be so much emotion and drama behind shit like that. ...but you're wrong. I have owned up to my part, explaining it several times in several threads. It takes more than just one person to have a days old flame war. Yes, I trolled you. Yes, you trolled me. Big deal.
It won't be much of a surprise when my post count matches that of taors. What fun is it at a spot where 3 of the most active mods don't like ya, and a fair number of casual users who are afraid to comment cause they see what happened to the others who've gone up against the mods previously. I did that for awhile when you guys routinely harassed Richard. And Dragline's ban was out of bounds too.
If I've misquoted you on the demands to add words to the filter, my mistake. I'll always own up to any mistakes I make. There was something said about me demanding to see a full list of what words were included in the filter. I don't recall saying that since it doesn't mean shit to me - I think the filter is pointless.
I won't accept total blame for this whole episode. It began by me pointing out the half-assed attempt at preventing racist and/or bigoted language. The policy is still half-assed, and looks to be designed to guard the feelings of " *brown people ". You guys should own up to not truly being committed to preventing racist/bigoted language - as is demonstrated by the limited scope of the filter.
*I know some "brown people" who don't like to be referred to as such. I'd report that to the mods but.. well.. you guys are the mods.
..that last little bit there.. that there was some fun words with a touch of troll in them. Yet they do ring true. Thought I'd point that out before you RAYGE again.
<<<Now, to pull the same stunt, I've said a bunch of shit and then I'm gonna pretend to take the high road by saying I'm done with this unless my name is dragged back into this.
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Since Brasky finally has grown a pair and is naming names (saying who the assholes are, and includes me amongst them) instead of bashfully hiding behind way too many words.. I don't think Brasky and I had any real disagreements here until the word filter came into play.
That is the same time my issues with Brasky started, but he called me out by name.
I think what happens is that once one of people he doesn't like is banned, he has to move on to a new target. Since he says he doesn't even like most people here, you can never tell who will be next.
Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
For me this whole thing started with Brasky's thread:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/trash-pile/read-first-rules-of-engagement-and-what-to-expect/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/trash-pile/read-first-rules-of-engagement-and-what-to-expect/)
If Brasky thinks that kind of behavior is ok, there is a problem. I'm surprised no mod said anything. Well, Lindsey did, and I agree with her.
Oooooooooooooooooooh lawd.
I'm not surprised Brasky was shitcanned when Ian got out.
Just keep in mind what Brasky has DONE versus what he had said. Also, watch carefully exactly what he says rather than how he says it.
I agree. But most people are banned for what they say. Just words.
The point is civility, and personal responsibility. You say it, you fuckin' own it.
There are very few people I want to associate with here any more...
...I've lost respect for the overwhelming majority...
I wanted to be out of this nonsense about a year ago
About Ian:
So fuck him. Zero class, low-thinking egomaniac. I will never, ever do him a single favor, ever again.
When people are continually, unnaturally hostile THEY GOTTA GO.
Hey, Bomb Freak, nice to see ya.
Continually hostile to the same person, for way too long, yes. Kinda like how Libman spent two years following John around. And Riddler. Maybe your opinions of time are different than mine.
And speaking of opinions, you were dead-set against banning, for any reason. Now you're for it. Someone isn't quite square with their head...
And speaking of Ian, I stand by that. I think he's an egomaniac. I think he was low-class for shitcanning volunteers without a goddamn email. And I'm not doing him any favors ever again. This is strictly me-time. He can remove my stars any old time he wants. I told him to read my rant before he re-applied my mod status.
Go delete your account for the thousandth time. Three years ago you said you didn't want mod buttons, so why do you keep it now? Intoxicated by the power? Not an uncommon trait for a man of small stature.
Hostile in general, lots of people are. Go suck a dick, midget.
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I won't accept total blame for this whole episode. It began by me pointing out the half-assed attempt at preventing racist and/or bigoted language. The policy is still half-assed, and looks to be designed to guard the feelings of " *brown people ". You guys should own up to not truly being committed to preventing racist/bigoted language - as is demonstrated by the limited scope of the filter.
*I know some "brown people" who don't like to be referred to as such. I'd report that to the mods but.. well.. you guys are the mods.
Old rules half assed? Fine. Here's the new ones. Violate at your peril. No debate allowed.
F. Chronic expressions of direct abuse toward a collective ethnic group of people will not be tolerated. If you collectivize a group of people by their genotype and make directly negative comments about said group you are treading thin ice. The determination of the words “Ethnic group” and “Chronic” shall be left to the discretion of the moderators.
My last post was the last time I am gonna be friendly with you. I fucking tried. I fucking tried repeatedly. Now I'm done. Stop being a fucking asshole, Hellbilly. I said please, I said give it some time, I said let it blow over. You don't wanna. You wanna act like a fucking prick and collectivise people and call names. You say you agree that you wanna walk away from this argument. Then fucking do it. Or don't. If you don't take the opportunity you look like a hypocrite for supporting the option's existence.
You're fucking trolling and it is starting to annoy me.
In before you use the words "Macho" and "Bullying". I'm fucking imploring, man, drop it.
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John- each season (a rough estimation, apologies if it isn't precise - it's far too frequent at any rate) I find myself in conversation with you about allegations that I'm a racist/bigot. It's been this way since I signed up. It's that way right now. My opinions today about the topic are the same as they were all those years ago. Don't pretend that you care. If you did you would have backed off from accusing me directly or making the implications. There's been an open invitation for years to have had a rational discussion about it. You haven't pitched in, and if you did I'm sorry that I've forgotten. We've had mixed interaction since I arrived during your glory days of Troll Hunter status. Mixed interaction is probably the bet we can hope for at this point. I got no ill will toward ya, but the door on "friendly" was nailed shut, by you, long ago.
I expect the "bigot" tag to be replaced with "troll". So have at it - cause I don't have a clue about how you're interpreting my on-topic posts, replies to a thread, can be considered trolling. So before we enter the next phase - me defending myself from being called a troll constantly - waht am I doing that is trollish?
I see Brasky and blackie are at odds with one another. It provides an opportunity for me to throw more jabs in at Brasky. I choose not to take that cheap opportunity since it doesn't really involve me. I did the same when you and Dragline had your disagreement. I'd appreciate the same consideration from you.
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*I know some "brown people" who don't like to be referred to as such. I'd report that to the mods but.. well.. you guys are the mods.
Do ya?
Because the last time I used "Brown person" in actual face to face convo, it went like this:
I walk into a bar in West Reading, PA, which is like Mexico City, without the polite stormtroopers..
Me: Hey man, did two girls show up here?
Bartender: Theres been some, what'd they look like?
Me: One super-cute blonde, one brown girl.
Bartender: Brown hair, or brown skin?
Me: Both.
Bartender: Nope, not with a super-cute blondie.
The bartender was about six foot fourteen, muscles that hurt to look at, and brown. Spiderwebs on his elbows, all that shit.
If you're in a city, the lsat thing you wanna do is call a 'Rican a Mexican, or any of that shit. They get hostile. But "brown" usually doesn't piss people off if you're not being a dick about it. Its better than tippy-toeing through the labyrinth of Latina, if you're not latino. That just sounds stupid. And Hispanic sounds like a cop, so avoid that.
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I expect the "bigot" tag to be replaced with "troll". So have at it - cause I don't have a clue about how you're interpreting my on-topic posts, replies to a thread, can be considered trolling. So before we enter the next phase - me defending myself from being called a troll constantly - waht am I doing that is trollish?
*Facepalm*
Dude, I'm asking you to drop this. Stop having this conversation.
I'll make a deal with you - Never mention my name again on the BBS. Never mention me at all, and I'll do the same.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. About. Me.
And as for trolling? These two comments? Trolling.
Now, to pull the same stunt, I've said a bunch of shit and then I'm gonna pretend to take the high road by saying I'm done with this unless my name is dragged back into this.
Mod. Brashawsky:
(I've combined the two of you since for the past few days you've both been parroting the same message to which I've responded, usually repeating myself to both of you, post after post after post. Maybe this will help condense the message.)
Let's both walk away now. Say one more word directed at me and yes, I'm gonna start calling you a troll. Walk away. Drop it. Do it and I'll never say a word to or about you again unless you violate the TOS or you decide you wanna be friendly.
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I'm as sick of this as you are. Friendly is the mode I normally function in and I'm ready to proceed in that direction, even though it's made difficult by being ordered about. Any moron who has any depth about them at all can see the force and tease within your parting comment.
2nd hatchet buried in my opinion. Please lock the thread.
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Gentlemen,
If we're going to have a meaningful debate here, please keep your answers in the form of 5 second soundbytes, or the 10 typed word equivalent.
Thank you in advance.
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Eh? What U doin Mike? U trynna start summen? Eh?
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Please lock the thread.
It's Ian's thread.
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I see Brasky and blackie are at odds with one another. It provides an opportunity for me to throw more jabs in at Brasky. I choose not to take that cheap opportunity since it doesn't really involve me. I did the same when you and Dragline had your disagreement. I'd appreciate the same consideration from you.
To save you the trouble, I was telling him he is a dick.
If you are going to french kiss and smash your sweaty boners against each other with spider-drips of precum mimicking the spaghetti scene in Lady and the Tramp, step back a few paces from the fire. Nobody needs to see that shit.
I might have to tread into Moderation, and make this thread (NSFW)
Theres a lot of reading to do, a lot of editing. I'll fix all this shit up, don't you'se worry about it.
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If you are going to french kiss and smash your sweaty boners against each other with spider-drips of precum mimicking the spaghetti scene in Lady and the Tramp, step back a few paces from the fire. Nobody needs to see that shit.
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Dood, you are brilliant! I think you may have found the perfect solution for this conflict.
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If you are going to french kiss and smash your sweaty boners against each other with spider-drips of precum mimicking the spaghetti scene in Lady and the Tramp, step back a few paces from the fire. Nobody needs to see that shit.
o.0
Dood, you are brilliant! I think you may have found the perfect solution for this conflict.
Rock hard guy-on-guy boner action in silhouette?
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Rock hard guy-on-guy boner action in silhouette?
We could achieve peace on Earth!
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Hey, Bomb Freak, nice to see ya.
I'm not even sure you have read the bomb threads, or what your problem with them is. You haven't provided a quote with the problem content, or PMed me about any issue with my posts. No one ever has. The bomb threads mostly cover recent bombings in the news. You seem to imply the threads are about making bombs, and they are not.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/nyc-time-square-car-bomb-fail/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/nyc-time-square-car-bomb-fail/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/explosives-are-now-weapons-of-mass-destruction/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/explosives-are-now-weapons-of-mass-destruction/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/taliban-increasingly-effective/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/taliban-increasingly-effective/)
But whatever, I won't post that kind of stuff any more. I can follow the rules you make up, even if I don't agree with them. I even deleted the two threads you seem to have a problem with.
Continually hostile to the same person, for way too long, yes. Kinda like how Libman spent two years following John around. And Riddler. Maybe your opinions of time are different than mine.
Ok, so being continually hostile to the same person for a short period of time is ok. Like how long...two or three months?
And speaking of opinions, you were dead-set against banning, for any reason.
Was I? Got any quotes? I don't remember ever saying anything about it. I don't really look into it when people get banned. I don't really have feelings on the matter.
Go delete your account for the thousandth time. Three years ago you said you didn't want mod buttons, so why do you keep it now?
Last time I tried to delete my account I couldn't. I told you that before. You told me to ask Johnson. I said no thanks. I can't remember ever asking a mod to do anything for me. I can work with the rules that are in place. So I guess I don't get to delete my account any more. That is how I got rid of the mod status last time, dumping my account. This time I can't do that.
I want to keep mod status as long as you have it. You are the only person I intend to mod. Maybe spammers.
Intoxicated by the power? Not an uncommon trait for a man of small stature.
Hostile in general, lots of people are. Go suck a dick, midget.
It doesn't seem like much power. But thanks Ian.
I thought you said you wanted the place to be civil.
I don't have a problem with my size. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else?
My height is pretty much average. It seems like the world is built for people my size. I didn't realize the "M" on all my clothes stood for midget.
I think the only person that has ever said anything negative about my height before is Toars, and now you. Toars is kinda big, so when he calls someone small, you have to put it into perspective. In jump school the black hats told me I was the perfect size for a paratrooper.
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Stop This Shit!
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Hey, Bomb Freak, nice to see ya.
I'm not even sure you have read the bomb threads, or what your problem with them is. You haven't provided a quote with the problem content, or PMed me about any issue with my posts. No one ever has. The bomb threads mostly cover recent bombings in the news. You seem to imply the threads are about making bombs, and they are not.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/nyc-time-square-car-bomb-fail/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/nyc-time-square-car-bomb-fail/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/explosives-are-now-weapons-of-mass-destruction/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/explosives-are-now-weapons-of-mass-destruction/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/taliban-increasingly-effective/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/taliban-increasingly-effective/)
But whatever, I won't post that kind of stuff any more. I can follow the rules you make up, even if I don't agree with them. I even deleted the two threads you seem to have a problem with.
Continually hostile to the same person, for way too long, yes. Kinda like how Libman spent two years following John around. And Riddler. Maybe your opinions of time are different than mine.
Ok, so being continually hostile to the same person for a short period of time is ok. Like how long...two or three months?
And speaking of opinions, you were dead-set against banning, for any reason.
Was I? Got any quotes? I don't remember ever saying anything about it. I don't really look into it when people get banned. I don't really have feelings on the matter.
Go delete your account for the thousandth time. Three years ago you said you didn't want mod buttons, so why do you keep it now?
Last time I tried to delete my account I couldn't. I told you that before. You told me to ask Johnson. I said no thanks. I can't remember ever asking a mod to do anything for me. I can work with the rules that are in place. So I guess I don't get to delete my account any more. That is how I got rid of the mod status last time, dumping my account. This time I can't do that.
I want to keep mod status as long as you have it. You are the only person I intend to mod. Maybe spammers.
Intoxicated by the power? Not an uncommon trait for a man of small stature.
Hostile in general, lots of people are. Go suck a dick, midget.
It doesn't seem like much power. But thanks Ian.
I thought you said you wanted the place to be civil.
I don't have a problem with my size. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else?
My height is pretty much average. It seems like the world is built for people my size. I didn't realize the "M" on all my clothes stood for midget.
I think the only person that has ever said anything negative about my height before is Toars, and now you. Toars is kinda big, so when he calls someone small, you have to put it into perspective. In jump school the black hats told me I was the perfect size for a paratrooper.
I'm not reading this goddamn nigger shit.
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lol
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lol
This.
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Sooooooooooo...
Good times.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take on two issues that seems pretty serious:
1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,
2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.
Am I understanding this situation correctly? I'm truly amazed that these two items appear to be right out in the open and everybody (with precious few exceptions) seems OK with that. If I missed a post which would have already cleared up my confusion over this seeming contradiction please let me know.
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Sooooooooooo...
Good times.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take on two issues that seems pretty serious:
1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,
2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.
Am I understanding this situation correctly? I'm truly amazed that these two items appear to be right out in the open and everybody (with precious few exceptions) seems OK with that. If I missed a post which would have already cleared up my confusion over this seeming contradiction please let me know.
I personally was hoping he was just being hyperbolic.
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1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,
Incriminating? I don't think he said that at all. I think he said he'd fuck with people's posts if they acted like assholes.
2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.
If they posted something that could effect the site owner (Ian) legally. I believe that that is what he said. I also believe he specifically mentioned information that could draw attacks by letter agencies (Explosive devices and means of altering firearms that would draw the ire of the ATF, an agency known to persecute and harass people.) and child pornography, which will have the FBI up people's asses in a split second.
Not even touching the high probability that a good half of that post was with an angry tongue in cheek at a situation that was getting progressively stupider by the minute.
EDIT - Besides, all of this is moot now, as the TOS has changed and mods can just ban abusive people.
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Am I understanding this situation correctly?
yes
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Thanks blackie. I read Shaw's post as affirmative on both questions with unpersuasive justifications being offered. About mootness: Brasky is still a mod, Shaw appears to think altering users posts (other than by simply removing objectionable content) is OK as well, and both think that sending user info to the police is sometimes a good idea.
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I looked, but I can't find the new terms of service. Do they include the term that users' posts may be altered to appear "most damaging" in the event of some occurrence? I bet they don't. Do they say that the mods might send your info to the cops? If so I guess I need to quit and I would ask that all of my posts be deleted.
EVERYONES A MOD
LOL BTW
The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned. I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.
Will Ecolitan ban Brasky? I would. Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do. I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.
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The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned. I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.
Dude, seriously, don't lose my respect.
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Weren't Brasky's comments just more or less a rant about some messages that didn't even make it to the board that started with Dragline going out of his way to insult John Shaw?
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No
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I read Shaw's post as affirmative on both questions with unpersuasive justifications being offered.
I tried to explain another person's point of view. I gave my perspective on it. It's what it looked like to me. I know the guy pretty well and I spent a harrowing week in the wilderness with him IRL. I can say with some authority that I may understand his sense of irony and humor and somewhat overall acerbic wit better than you may. I did not try to "justify" it. Brasky will justify his own actions or not.
I didn't write his posts for him. If he had quoted "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" maybe you would have gotten what he was trying to say.
In case you don't know-
You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Santa Claus is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Brasky is still a mod, Shaw appears to think altering users posts (other than by simply removing objectionable content) is OK as well, and both think that sending user info to the police is sometimes a good idea.
I said no such fucking thing and that is not something I, personally, would do. I would, however, delete a post with kiddie porn and ban the user. I would also ban a user who posts threats of violence and I'd leave the post up. Kiddie porn can get Ian into trouble with the powers that be. Violent threats from someone who ain't Ian will not get Ian into trouble. But I certainly won't protect a violent asshole from his own words by removing them. If that draws the powers that be to that asshole's doorstep? Hey, it was his words, not mine, and I am not responsible for their actions or the subsequent response of statists.
Will Ecolitan ban Brasky? I would. Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do. I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.
Ecolitan was banned, apparently by himself. He will not be banning anyone.
For the fucking record Ox, as far as I'm concerned the government is an idea in people's heads. I don't believe in it and I'd never speak in the language of statists or speak with a statist as if their ideas were in any way valid. That includes utilizing any of their resources for my benefit.
So you can take your accusations toward me and stuff 'em up your asshole.
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Touche'
:)
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The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned. I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.
Will Ecolitan ban Brasky? I would. Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do. I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.
Go read this, counselor.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/my-intent-to-abduct-rape-torture-and-kill-linda-t-s225nchez/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/my-intent-to-abduct-rape-torture-and-kill-linda-t-s225nchez/)
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The only thing that would make this better is if Libman was unbanned. I never did understand exactly why Libman got banned anyway.
Will Ecolitan ban Brasky? I would. Brasky, I can't believe you own that threat the way you do. I haven't heard you acknowledge the impropriety of your conduct.
Go read this, counselor.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/my-intent-to-abduct-rape-torture-and-kill-linda-t-s225nchez/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/my-intent-to-abduct-rape-torture-and-kill-linda-t-s225nchez/)
Wow, Bill. I had never seen that post. I firmly stand behind you on banning and notifying the authorities on this type of crap. I personally will call the FBI if I ever see something like that. Someone doesn't think I am a principled libertarian for doing it? Oh well, I don't give a flip about what people think who condone, cover up for, or ignore such uncivilized and threatening behavior.
That violent rhetoric initiates force in the first instance, Ox, so reporting it isn't unprincipled.
18 USC 351 - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000351----000-.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000351----000-.html)
18 USC 875 - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000875----000-.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000875----000-.html)
The only thing I had hoped you were kidding about was changing peoples words. Doing that kinda draws you into a situation where you could be held responsible for things YOU didn't say... as someone on the forum could claim any time that you modified their post and were the one to add the incriminating words, not them.
My concern was for you.
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The Libman is not the issue here, dude.
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The Libman is not the issue here, dude.
No, but he's a good example of you picking a shitty example of acceptability.
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The Libman is not the issue here, dude.
No, but he's a good example of you picking a shitty example of acceptability.
It's also hilarious that he carefully chose not to respond to my post.
Every time he calls me a dirty fucking statist and speaks about me as if I'm not in the room he'll get a link to it.
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The Libman is not the issue here, dude.
No, but he's a good example of you picking a shitty example of acceptability.
It's also hilarious that he carefully chose not to respond to my post.
Every time he calls me a dirty fucking statist and speaks about me as if I'm not in the room he'll get a link to it.
Shaw, what do you want me to say to you? Thank you? Thank you for agreeing that you won't modify user posts other than by deletion of what you consider to be inappropriate content. Thank you for not sending user info to the cops. My impression was that this was how mods here were supposed to behave in the first place. You cussed me out when it was completely unnecessary. Why should I respond to you after that outburst? I don't speak to you that way and I don't expect you to speak to me that way. I'm not sure what your problem is, but my problem with you is that you "appear" to endorse Brasky's bad behavior. Even though you stated that you wouldn't do what he said he would do, you still act like what he did is OK and then you blew up at me. Also, I didn't call you a statist, although you did have me wondering...
As for Brasky - you're probably a lot of fun to hang out with and you're definitely a gifted writer and all that, but this shit about threatening to alter user posts so that they are "most damaging" is totally wrong. The fact that you stand by your threat as if it is acceptable behavior is just unbelievable. I hope you don't think that what you did is OK.
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The Libman is not the issue here, dude.
No, but he's a good example of you picking a shitty example of acceptability.
It's also hilarious that he carefully chose not to respond to my post.
Every time he calls me a dirty fucking statist and speaks about me as if I'm not in the room he'll get a link to it.
I think I'll bump it.
You're not a dirty fucking statist, John.
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As for Brasky - you're probably a lot of fun to hang out with and you're definitely a gifted writer and all that, but this shit about threatening to alter user posts so that they are "most damaging" is totally wrong. The fact that you stand by your threat as if it is acceptable behavior is just unbelievable. I hope you don't think that what you did is OK.
You're a lawyer. Necessitas non habet legem. I never got paid to destroy anyone's life.
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Shaw, what do you want me to say to you? Thank you? Thank you for agreeing that you won't modify user posts other than by deletion of what you consider to be inappropriate content. Thank you for not sending user info to the cops. My impression was that this was how mods here were supposed to behave in the first place. You cussed me out when it was completely unnecessary. Why should I respond to you after that outburst? I don't speak to you that way and I don't expect you to speak to me that way. I'm not sure what your problem is, but my problem with you is that you "appear" to endorse Brasky's bad behavior. Even though you stated that you wouldn't do what he said he would do, you still act like what he did is OK and then you blew up at me. Also, I didn't call you a statist, although you did have me wondering...
Dude, you said that I approve of calling in the government against people. That's calling me a statist and it's fucking fighting words. I made an assessment of Brasky's motivations, which are different than your assessment. You called me a statist for it. So yes, I took goddamned insult from you dragging me through the mud.
And I don't owe you a goddamned testimony to my innocence. But you felt the need to sling mud.
Now you're bummed that you picked a fight. Tough shit man.
So what's your deal? Trying to sow discord between mods by getting them fighting each other?
Now I'm gonna sit back and wait for you to try defending mods allowing kiddie porn and violent threats on the board as "Free Speech"
See the new terms of service please.
Also - Say you're sorry for calling me a statist and we're square and I'll apologize for using potty mouth at you.
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You're not a dirty fucking statist, John.
I know, right?
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Shaw, what do you want me to say to you? Thank you? Thank you for agreeing that you won't modify user posts other than by deletion of what you consider to be inappropriate content. Thank you for not sending user info to the cops. My impression was that this was how mods here were supposed to behave in the first place. You cussed me out when it was completely unnecessary. Why should I respond to you after that outburst? I don't speak to you that way and I don't expect you to speak to me that way. I'm not sure what your problem is, but my problem with you is that you "appear" to endorse Brasky's bad behavior. Even though you stated that you wouldn't do what he said he would do, you still act like what he did is OK and then you blew up at me. Also, I didn't call you a statist, although you did have me wondering...
Dude, you said that I approve of calling in the government against people. That's calling me a statist and it's fucking fighting words. I made an assessment of Brasky's motivations, which are different than your assessment. You called me a statist for it. So yes, I took goddamned insult from you dragging me through the mud.
And I don't owe you a goddamned testimony to my innocence. But you felt the need to sling mud.
Now you're bummed that you picked a fight. Tough shit man.
So what's your deal? Trying to sow discord between mods by getting them fighting each other?
Now I'm gonna sit back and wait for you to try defending mods allowing kiddie porn and violent threats on the board as "Free Speech"
See the new terms of service please.
Also - Say you're sorry for calling me a statist and we're square and I'll apologize for using potty mouth at you.
Well, your response to my query was not exactly the model of clarity. Here is the post:
1) A moderator has threatened to arbitrarily falsify the posts of bbs members so that it would appear that they had written incriminating or otherwise damaging things when in fact they had not done so; and,
Incriminating? I don't think he said that at all. I think he said he'd fuck with people's posts if they acted like assholes.
2) A moderator has openly announced that he would send information from here directly to the cops in order to facilitate the initiation of force against bbs members.
If they posted something that could effect the site owner (Ian) legally. I believe that that is what he said. I also believe he specifically mentioned information that could draw attacks by letter agencies (Explosive devices and means of altering firearms that would draw the ire of the ATF, an agency known to persecute and harass people.) and child pornography, which will have the FBI up people's asses in a split second.
Not even touching the high probability that a good half of that post was with an angry tongue in cheek at a situation that was getting progressively stupider by the minute.
EDIT - Besides, all of this is moot now, as the TOS has changed and mods can just ban abusive people.
I think you can see how that might lead one to be less than clear about your position. Your comments on the second issue are equivocal about whether it is OK for mods to call the cops over what people post and you didn't flatly reject it as you did in subsequent posts.
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I think you can see how that might lead one to be less than clear about your position. Your comments on the second issue are equivocal about whether it is OK for mods to call the cops over what people post and you didn't flatly reject it as you did in subsequent posts.
I think I was pretty damned clear.
I said what I would do.
I do not think that it is morally wrong for a person to contact gooberment in response to murder, child abuse, and threats of violence. There is no other recourse in the world for dealing with that sort of shit. You open up a private agency that offers those services and I'm fucking all over it.
This whole piece of debate is about how Brasky was willing to treat people who put the owner of this site into danger.
No, I PERSONALLY would not contact gooberment.
I can be not willing to take the same actions as another person and still not condemn them.
You tell me what should be done when someone comes onto the BBS and starts posting death threats?
What I do - Ban the shit out of them and let their posts gather dust until some gooberment asshole looking for a patsy shows up. Shame on the user for saying stupid shit that draws the attention of bad people.
What other mods may do - More.
But again, I don't think you understood what Brasky was saying at all, and I don't think you are totally aware of the circumstances or context of the conversation. Have you read the racism thread? Have you read the stuff leading up to all the changes on the BBS, apart from this thread?
People were making huge stinks about how no one was being clear enough about what constituted "Racism". It went on for fucking ever. Brasky came in and said that he was GONNA GETCHA AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHEN OR WHERE.
It was a fucking shine on. S'why I posted a song that represents the theme of his post. There ain't no Santa Claus and there is no Tyrant Brasky.
Sheesh.
But I get that you don't get that. Fine. Just stop calling me a fucking statist please.
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Reality's a complicated thing.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond to this horseshit. But I will anyways.
First point -
Brasky came in and said that he was GONNA GETCHA AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHEN OR WHERE.
It was a fucking shine on. S'why I posted a song that represents the theme of his post. There ain't no Santa Claus and there is no Tyrant Brasky.
Sheesh.
But I get that you don't get that. Fine. Just stop calling me a fucking statist please.
This is about as concise as anyone's ever gotten what I really did. I couldn't put it better myself.
Now - lets talk about something.. Personal conduct.
I've really not fucked with anyone. I said a couple things. I like to think of it as my re-creation of HG Welles War of the Worlds radio broadcast.
Out of the thousands and thousands of posts that reside here, there are NONE that I've ever acted upon. NONE.
And there is some pretty bad shit here.
As I said, I did play with Hellbilly's one post, to show it could be done. As an example.
But it really wasn't the content of the post. And I think even HE understood that. Its not like there was anything bad in it. It could have even been about oranges for all I fuckin' cared.
What I was driving at was, I have the nuclear option.
People were debating and debating and debating, like an endless Rubik's Cube puzzle. What if I do this, and what if I do that?
I don't really dig all that scenario bullshit. I didn't play D+D as a kid, either.
There is a line. Even I don't exactly know where it is, because the "law" here is arbitrary.
99.99999% of the content or people here, it probably doesn't matter.
But that little tiny .00001% is what everybody's arguing over.
Does it impact you, personally, if you can't dabble in that little, hideous dark corner of the .00001%, and post pictures of you face-fucking your daughter? Or sell a bomb to another forum member?
It shouldn't.
And I just keep tellin' people, "Y'know what? Just don't go there. Don't push the envelope." And most reasonable people should just go "Y'know what? You're right man. I like coming here, and this guy's just trying to keep the place somewhat clean, because it's associated with an internationally recognized radio show, and there are laws to consider. And the guy who owns the website is in trouble with the law... so maybe I won't perpetuate this nonsense, and cut the Janitor some slack."
Instead, people want to fight about it.
And HOW people fight on the internet is the key point of contention here. They post the most salacious and dirty, rotten fucking shit they can muster. And some of it - heres the rub - some of it could be REALLY fucking illegal.
Now -- prior to all this (if you're not asleep yet) people were telling me - hilarious - I shouldn't ban anybody.
So I ruminated. People shouldn't make me do that. Seriously. Because I will figure out an alternative. And apparently, it freaked the shit out of everyone.
Now they wish they'd just never would've pushed the whole "don't ban people" agenda. Now, they WISH for fucking banning.
Get it?
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Shaw, I can appreciate that I do not know all of the context. I haven't read the racism thread. The search feature sucks, can you post a link? Take the CP, ATF issues & Libman off the table and what is left? Hellbilly & Dragline? Why didn't April get banned? She frequently uses offensive racist epithets.
When is Dragline gonna get unbanned?
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Get it?
No, I'm not quite with you there.
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Shaw, I can appreciate that I do not know all of the context.
Good on ya. And I'm sorry I potty mouthed at ya. Just tired of this controversy and people only knowing part of the story and chiming in with analysis. The whole thing with Ecolitan was a major example of a dude who rarely shows up on the BBS and thinks he knows the whole score in a situation after reading a couple threads. Ecolitan and I had never had an issue before this. Dragline dropped N-bombs for two years at least before anyone did shit.
I haven't read the racism thread. The search feature sucks, can you post a link? Take the CP, ATF issues & Libman off the table and what is left? Hellbilly & Dragline? Why didn't April get banned? She frequently uses offensive racist epithets.
When is Dragline gonna get unbanned?
These are some of the threads. I may have missed a bunch. It was a tangled fucking mess. There's a lot of crap. I don't blame you if you get tired of reading it.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/racism/135/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/racism/135/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/bbs-fail/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/bbs-fail/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/john-shaw-ban-criteria/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/john-shaw-ban-criteria/)
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/what-shouldn%27t-need-to-be-said/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/what-shouldn%27t-need-to-be-said/)
April never came close to a ban.
Dragline/Riddler had been dropping racial epithets for a couple fucking years and was basically ignored. He had long since earned a ban but was being tolerated because he wasn't generally using racist terms directed at a specific person.
I decided to poke fun at the thread on racism with this post - http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/racism/msg640339/#msg640339 (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/racism/msg640339/#msg640339) I made several more obviously silly comments about Saxons.
It was obviously a joke. It set off a chain of events leading to Dragline's ban. He basically had been living on borrowed time on the BBS and then decided to have a hissy fit all over one of the people who'd been overlooking his bad behavior. Namely me. He's gone.
Then Ecolitan took it upon himself to grab his white knight armor and shield and start ripping into me on the grounds that "Shaw just got mad and took vengeance because his feelings were hurt." and proceeded to say shit to me that was far worse than what Dragline/Riddler said. He wasn't banned for it because it wasn't about me. It was about "The last straw" and when one gets broken.
During this time Brasky made his posts.
Cue shitstorm when Ian gets back and everything you see in this thread. Ian dissed Brasky and I and put other people in charge. Many people had a giant fucking problem with this. I had to have a phone call with Mark Edgington and shoot the shit about it. People went out of their way to go to bat for Brasky and myself behind the scenes. Ian realized he had made a mistake and put things right.
I wrote up a new TOS and the board has restarted as a moderated board.
Which is where we are now.
Everything else is just chuffa leftovers and sour grapes as far as I know.
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I said a couple things. I like to think of it as my re-creation of HG Welles War of the Worlds radio broadcast.
I though you said you wouldn't be posting here much any more.
Did you change your mind about that, or was that all a part of your "story"?
And if you really think about it, aside from this thread, you'll never know I'm here once I'm done answering your stupid rebuttals, and a few people will use the filter'd words, and they'll look ridiculous. I may not have to write a single word to anyone for a whole year at a time.
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I said a couple things. I like to think of it as my re-creation of HG Welles War of the Worlds radio broadcast.
I though you said you wouldn't be posting here much any more.
Did you change your mind about that, or was that all a part of your "story"?
And if you really think about it, aside from this thread, you'll never know I'm here once I'm done answering your stupid rebuttals, and a few people will use the filter'd words, and they'll look ridiculous. I may not have to write a single word to anyone for a whole year at a time.
Someone said something to me.
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Lance be trollin'.
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Was I unbanned intentionally or what?
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Whoknows. Fuck off.
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Yessir.
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I should strike you down.
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You used a different IP address and and a different e-mail. You haven't been unbanned. I updated the ban triggers with this new information.
STAY THE FUCK OUT
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I thought I smelled used butthole when I woke up.
It seems to have been erased with the fresh scent of pine and interweb bleach.
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Libman has been added to the troll userclass at the FK forum. Is he for real with his obsession over the BBS purge from last year? :shock:
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Just, watch him.
He's on The Shitlist.
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Ian: Yes he is. He is also a total menace who periodically sends me emails about various stupid plots and machinations. Had to spam dump him a while back.
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I actually suspect that, were it like... financially feasible, he'd be an IRL stalker. Right now he can only afford to be a Net stalker. Dude has some probably diagnosable obsessive traits.
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Is there anything I can possibly do, including killing myself, to prove that I am not and never have been a troll?
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I actually suspect that, were it like... financially feasible, he'd be an IRL stalker. Right now he can only afford to be a Net stalker. Dude has some probably diagnosable obsessive traits.
This.
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I actually suspect that, were it like... financially feasible, he'd be an IRL stalker. Right now he can only afford to be a Net stalker. Dude has some probably diagnosable obsessive traits.
This.
Wasnt NHA10 our IRL stalker? I trolled him a bit when he came on here IIRC.
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I actually suspect that, were it like... financially feasible, he'd be an IRL stalker. Right now he can only afford to be a Net stalker. Dude has some probably diagnosable obsessive traits.
This.
Wasnt NHA10 our IRL stalker? I trolled him a bit when he came on here IIRC.
It's
impossible
to troll a .....
computer
program
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Wasnt NHA10 our IRL stalker? I trolled him a bit when he came on here IIRC.
It's
impossible
to troll a .....
computer
program
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Lots of early movers have personally met NHA10 including myself.
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I don't consider NHAT to be a stalker at all. I consider him to be a douchebag - with some probable mild mental problems..
Hansen was the official First Stalker of FTL.