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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: John Shaw on June 15, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
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Apparently someone immolated themselves in front of a Keene municipal building.
More to come, I'm sure.
EDIT: Added edited recording of police chatter about event. Removal of gaps and non related comments.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3HE5DA7K
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http://qik.com/video/41088060
Video of scene (Not graphic)
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http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/incident-closes-winter-street-in-keene-wednesday-afternoon/article_87a5824a-979b-11e0-b8de-001cc4c03286.html
By Sentinel Staff | 3 comments
Copyright 2011 The Keene Sentinel
Winter Street in Keene has been blocked off and police and fire crews are on the scene after an incident Wednesday afternoon.
Police declined to provide any information on what happened, but an eyewitness said a person burned to death.
Emma Webber, who lives at 40 Central Square, was in the parking lot behind her building and across from the entrance to the Cheshire County Court House on Winter Street when she saw a man on fire in front of the court house, she said.
She ran toward him and called 911 on her cell phone, she said.
"By the time the police got here I'm pretty sure he was dead," she said.
At 6:30 this evening police and fire officers were using sheets to block the view of a patch of grass next to the courthouse entrance. The area was cordoned off with police tape.
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411: http://nh.porcupine411.com/category/audio-messages/
Ian's call: http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2011/06/2011-06-15_18-19-49.mp3
First call: http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2011/06/2011-06-15_18-01-49.mp3
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ROFLMAO
http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/15/audio-message-from-wireless-caller-6037381294-5/
The guy who was cussing out the FSPers for not getting him a job is back, making nice-nice.
Is there an opening at the KAC?
Looks like might have been this guy, Seamus.
Dunno yet.
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whoa...
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hopefully it was one of the kannings
or the canarios
cuz.......this would REALLY show the MAN.....that shits gonna change.......or else.....they'll all light themselves on fire.......
''if we had more men like you......we'd have less men like you''
-hawkeye pierce
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hopefully it was one of the kannings
Pretty sure they left NH.
Also that wasn't very nice. :-(
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ROFLMAO
http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/15/audio-message-from-wireless-caller-6037381294-5/
The guy who was cussing out the FSPers for not getting him a job is back, making nice-nice.
Is there an opening at the KAC?
Looks like might have been this guy, Seamus.
Dunno yet.
If the person cannot find work in NH with a 4.8% unemployment rate and some seasonal jobs still open and new stores opening up, well, maybe they cannot find work anywhere.
Of course, Seamus never seriously tried to find work. It looks like he hasn't shaved for years and is obese. Of course, I want him to find work and a place to live and all of that. It is unfortunate that he moved to NH and is now living in a shelter. That isn't nice of him.
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If the person cannot find work in NH with a 4.8% unemployment rate and some seasonal jobs still open and new stores opening up, well, maybe they cannot find work anywhere.
Of course, Seamus never seriously tried to find work. It looks like he hasn't shaved for years and is obese. Of course, I want him to find work and a place to live and all of that. It is unfortunate that he moved to NH and is now living in a shelter. That isn't nice of him.
THIS PARTICULAR MAN MIGHT HAVE BURNED HIMSELF TO DEATH. That is what we are talking about in this thread. Someone definitely burned themselves to death. I've heard it may be this Seamus fellow.
I don't understand the point of any of the other stuff you are talking about. It is not relevant to this thread and if you start attacking this guy and it turns out that he died in protest on the Keene courthouse driveway because he wanted "To participate" and help the Free Keene movement in some messed up way you're gonna look like a giant fucking asshole.
I'm just sayin'
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words
Oh, and this Seamus guy probably wasn't a free stater, right?
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Oh, and this Seamus guy probably wasn't a free stater, right?
I was waiting to hear the same thing, but I was trying to give Keith the benefit of the doubt.
<<<Softy.
Of course there's no confirmation that this is that guy or anything from my end. May or may not be this Seamus dude.
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https://www.transferbigfiles.com/90d0f540-ec5c-4f5c-8116-40189e54b42c?rid=4ln%2bcA9c9sdfMJauVlPaBw%3d%3d
Skip to about 28 minutes of the first file.
"Man on fire" - "He's not looking very good."
(Listening now)
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not much going on as far as the live police scanner goes. just a few call codes every few minutes, not much else.
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not much going on as far as the police scanner goes. just a few call codes every few minutes, not much else.
Imma edit the gaps out and reshare.
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not much going on as far as the police scanner goes. just a few call codes every few minutes, not much else.
Imma edit the gaps out and reshare.
i just meant the live scanner
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live scanner
http://freekeene.com/tools/radio/
if anyone wants it.
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Edited all the gaps out.
Here's all the chatter in that two hours relevant to the topic. It's about nine minutes now.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3HE5DA7K
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I've heard it may be this Seamus fellow.
How did you hear that?
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I've heard it may be this Seamus fellow.
How did you hear that?
Like I said, I don't have any idea for sure. People mentioned his name on the FK forum.
Dude left a weird apology VM on Porc411 though.
So far as I know it could be anyone. I have NO IDEA. It was just a name mentioned.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5205.0
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I'm just sayin'
Good point. I'll make sure to not say I single thing that anyone would ever think is attacking the guy.
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Good point. I'll make sure to not say I single thing that anyone would ever think is attacking the guy.
WAT
I have no idea what you mean and there's something wrong with the things coming out of your brain.
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I'm guessing the guy did not have a permit for open burning.
Too soon?
Sorry, its just my way of handling tragedy. And it is a tragedy. I knew shit like this was coming down the tracks, eventually. A good friend of mine keeps tabs on homeless, and two died in a suspicious fire in an abandoned building last month. Not cool.
There has got to be some pole barn structure where the fringe can go. All these long-timers in farm country, and a dude is in a fuckin' shelter? Jesus. Whatever happened to this community spirit stuff? Come one, come all! And then what? Go fuck yourself? People do fucked-up shit when they fall through the cracks. You're just lucky he didn't turn his hostility outward.
Don't y'all have any Shepherds of the Streets? Being outdoors is scary. And once you're adrift, you can't get hired, because you look like shit, have low self-esteem, and NKA. Its the death-spiral of homelessness, and is very hard to recover from.
Let the guy mow your lawns or something, fifteen bucks a pop. Unless all that under-the-table shit is sucked up by the agorists. And make an effort to befriend one dude, just one, who nobody really cares for.
When people come from distant places with nothing but the shirt on their back, and a backpack full of junk, that should be a warning sign, in an of itself, that his background is probably troubled. Maybe a parole release, starting over, from an institutional mindset. And those people don't come across as someone you'd want to BFF. It takes a while to peel the onion, and get into his comfort zone where they trust people, and aren't half-snake, for self defense reasons. They can be shifty, and say the wrong shit. They can be downright dickish. It takes time for that shit to bleed off.
So, let this be a lesson to anyone who values human life, in the general sense. If you see someone being shunned like a leper, man up, and go ask him, point blank: why does it appear nobody likes you here. He may actually have a valid reason, said something cocky to the wrong preson, by "accident", or doesn't know the fineries of Debate Club. Maybe he's just shy and doesn't know how to break the ice in an attractive manner. Some are -by random chance - dumb as a bag of hammers. Doesn't mean their heart isn't in the right place, they've just not been exposed to the Level-20 elitist concepts.
Its fuckin' sad. Whoever the dude is, correct name or not, its fucking sad. Because, to me, that choice of location is a direct statement to the In-Crowd. To me, it means "I woulda done anything for you fuckin' people, in return for a little slice of camaraderie."
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well if it was a free stater its not gonna shine a good light on the FSP :(
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I'm guessing the guy did not have a permit for open burning.
Too soon?
Sorry, its just my way of handling tragedy. And it is a tragedy. I knew shit like this was coming down the tracks, eventually. A good friend of mine keeps tabs on homeless, and two died in a suspicious fire in an abandoned building last month. Not cool.
There has got to be some pole barn structure where the fringe can go. All these long-timers in farm country, and a dude is in a fuckin' shelter? Jesus. Whatever happened to this community spirit stuff? Come one, come all! And then what? Go fuck yourself? People do fucked-up shit when they fall through the cracks. You're just lucky he didn't turn his hostility outward.
Don't y'all have any Shepherds of the Streets? Being outdoors is scary. And once you're adrift, you can't get hired, because you look like shit, have low self-esteem, and NKA. Its the death-spiral of homelessness, and is very hard to recover from.
Let the guy mow your lawns or something, fifteen bucks a pop. Unless all that under-the-table shit is sucked up by the agorists. And make an effort to befriend one dude, just one, who nobody really cares for.
When people come from distant places with nothing but the shirt on their back, and a backpack full of junk, that should be a warning sign, in an of itself, that his background is probably troubled. Maybe a parole release, starting over, from an institutional mindset. And those people don't come across as someone you'd want to BFF. It takes a while to peel the onion, and get into his comfort zone where they trust people, and aren't half-snake, for self defense reasons. They can be shifty, and say the wrong shit. They can be downright dickish. It takes time for that shit to bleed off.
So, let this be a lesson to anyone who values human life, in the general sense. If you see someone being shunned like a leper, man up, and go ask him, point blank: why does it appear nobody likes you here. He may actually have a valid reason, said something cocky to the wrong preson, by "accident", or doesn't know the fineries of Debate Club. Maybe he's just shy and doesn't know how to break the ice in an attractive manner. Some are -by random chance - dumb as a bag of hammers. Doesn't mean their heart isn't in the right place, they've just not been exposed to the Level-20 elitist concepts.
Its fuckin' sad. Whoever the dude is, correct name or not, its fucking sad. Because, to me, that choice of location is a direct statement to the In-Crowd. To me, it means "I woulda done anything for you fuckin' people, in return for a little slice of camaraderie."
Very well said!
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The people who want respect in that town should get together about fifty grand, buy an old motel on the edge of town that nobody gives a fuck about.. Let their friends fix the cracks, and rent the rooms to people who are getting their shit together. A cinderblock one.
Price could be negotiable. Even in a twenty room motel, you'd have your cash back in less than a year.
And you'd have rooms for free. Should someone need one, or give it away for a while, to a friend. Charitable for-profit.
No amenities, just a parking lot, and a no-vacancy sign. Appointment only. No maid service. Be clean, theres the towels, theres the washer.
You'd have an office, and an owners suite. It'd be sweet.
It'd put ya on the top of the someone-who-gives-a-fuck list. And you'd have the undying gratitude of about four hundred people a year.
And ya'd make scads of money after you paid yourself back the initial. Theres no real 'season' with the FTL movin' crowd.
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The people who want respect in that town should get together about fifty grand, buy an old motel on the edge of town that nobody gives a fuck about.
Good luck finding anything in NH besides a old trailer for that price.
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Police know who the guy is. His car was parked there.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110616/NEWS07/110619944
Man who set himself on fire at court dies
By PAT GROSSMITH
New Hampshire Union Leader
Published Jun 16, 2011 at 8:28 am (Updated Jun 16, 2011)
KEENE - A man died after he set himself on fire in front of the Cheshire County Superior Courthouse late Wednesday afternoon, according to police.
---- Sgt. Steven Tenny said about 5:30 p.m. - after the courthouse was closed - police received a “few” 911 calls reporting a person was on fire outside the Winter Street entrance to the courthouse located near Central Square.
---- Police believe the man poured gasoline over himself and then lit it on fire. A witness told WMUR-TV the man was calm, as if he had just done yoga just before he lit himself on fire.
---- Officers extinguished the flames. The unidentified man was pronounced dead at the scene by the New Hampshire Medical Examiner. An autopsy will be performed later today.
Detective Lt. James McLaughlin said investigators have an idea who the man was but are waiting results of the autopsy to confirm his identity.
---- The scene was processed by police with assistance from the Keene Fire Department, NH State Fire Marshal’s Office and Cheshire County Sheriff’s Department . The NH State Police Explosive Disposal Unit was also called to check the man's car as a precaution, said McLaughlin. Nothing was found, he said.
---- The incident remains under investigation by Detective Lt. James McLaughlin and Detective Don Lundin. Anyone who witnessed it or has further information is asked to call police at 357-9820.
---- Information may also be provided anonymously by email on the police department’s website at www.ci.keene.nh.us/departments/police/anonymous-crime-tips .
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A Mustang convertible with Massachusetts plate #87TB02 registered to a green 1997 Mustang for someone named Thomas Ball (sp?) was talked about in the scanner recording. Maybe that's the dude.
Good to hear it wasn't the bummed out Free Stater at this point.
Seamus posted on Facebook a couple hours ago.
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I'm out working right now, so I dont have time to check it out, but I remember listening to the edited scanner stream thingy Shaw posted, and they ran a plate of some green car and said the dudes name that owned the car. Could that be the guy?
How fucked this is.
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A Mustang convertible with Massachusetts plate #87TB02 registered to a green 1997 Mustang for someone named Thomas Ball (sp?) was talked about in the scanner recording. Maybe that's the dude.
Good to hear it wasn't the bummed out Free Stater at this point.
Seamus posted on Facebook a couple hours ago.
Got in just ahead of me, John.
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IIRC in Seamus' prior P411 calls he complained (a lot) that he didn't have a car
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IIRC in Seamus' prior P411 calls he complained (a lot) that he didn't have a car
guess its safe to go back to making fun of the guy since it wasnt him:P
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8120811669
Someone needs to find a copy of this site.
http://jimbrownprinciple.com/
domain: jimbrownprinciple.com
created: 06-Dec-2006
last-changed: 07-Dec-2010
registration-expiration: 06-Dec-2011
nserver: ns51.1and1.com 74.208.2.8
nserver: ns52.1and1.com 74.208.3.7
status: CLIENT-TRANSFER-PROHIBITED
registrant-firstname: Thomas
registrant-lastname: Ball
registrant-street1: PO Box 180
registrant-pcode: 01520-0180
registrant-state: MA
registrant-city: Holden
registrant-ccode: US
registrant-phone: +1.5088295929
registrant-email: Tomball@peoplepc.com
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4xY47qzXYDsJ:jimbrownprinciple.com/4.html+jimbrownprinciple.com/4.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
TLDR
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Suicide note -
http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html
EDIT - Upset about child support.
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I've been reading it...it's very long, but fascinating! There are a lot of liberty angles in it.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8120811669
Someone needs to find a copy of this site.
http://jimbrownprinciple.com/
Site down, where'd you get the URL?
FB group has no activity, just the boilerplate below.
Mens Domestic Violence Legal Center
Basic Info
Name:
Mens Domestic Violence Legal Center
Category:
Common Interest - Self-help
Description:
Help for men, and women, arrested for domestic violence. Shared parenting for divorced parents
Privacy Type:
Open: All content is public.
Contact Info
Email:
TomBall@jimbrownprinciple.com
Website:
http://www.jimbrownprinciple.com
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There are a lot of liberty angles in it.
Oh for the love of Christ, man
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Is this guy a Free Stater? If so, give him some public speaking lessons or something:
"He just looked like he was just chilling there, doing yoga or something. It was weird. We were all stunned," said witness Sean Desio.
http://www.wmur.com/news/28252130/detail.html#ixzz1PTIBP9AY (http://www.wmur.com/news/28252130/detail.html#ixzz1PTIBP9AY)
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There are a lot of liberty angles in it.
Oh for the love of Christ, man
What the fuck is your problem? Got something to say, say it! Don't beat around the bush.
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Y'all haven't changed in 6 years.
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Y'all haven't changed in 6 years.
Same goes to you. Tell us what the fuck your problem is. Do you want to understand why someone went to the extreme of setting himself on fire, or do you want to pointlessly cast aspersions?
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If the person cannot find work in NH with a 4.8% unemployment rate and some seasonal jobs still open and new stores opening up, well, maybe they cannot find work anywhere.
Of course, Seamus never seriously tried to find work. It looks like he hasn't shaved for years and is obese. Of course, I want him to find work and a place to live and all of that. It is unfortunate that he moved to NH and is now living in a shelter. That isn't nice of him.
THIS PARTICULAR MAN MIGHT HAVE BURNED HIMSELF TO DEATH. That is what we are talking about in this thread. Someone definitely burned themselves to death. I've heard it may be this Seamus fellow.
I don't understand the point of any of the other stuff you are talking about. It is not relevant to this thread and if you start attacking this guy and it turns out that he died in protest on the Keene courthouse driveway because he wanted "To participate" and help the Free Keene movement in some messed up way you're gonna look like a giant fucking asshole.
I'm just sayin'
I'll try again to explain this to you.
Thank you for your point. I will make sure to not type a single word that a single person on Earth would read and think that I was attacking the guy.
Also, I don't understand why you continue to be such a troll online. Oh well, maybe somethings will never change.
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Y'all haven't changed in 6 years.
Same goes to you. Tell us what the fuck your problem is. Do you want to understand why someone went to the extreme of setting himself on fire, or do you want to pointlessly cast aspersions?
I think it's pretty easy. He set himself on fire because he is a little nuts and something traumatic that happened with the family court sent him over the edge.
I was more laughing that Denis is still saying "Oh no guys, come on" and you're still the easiest person to offend since Jesse Jackson.
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C'mon people, copy & document for posterity
Editor's note: On Thursday morning, June 16, The Sentinel received a "last statement" via mail from a man who insinuated that he planned to set himself on fire in front of the Cheshire County Court House, and an explanation of why he intended to do so. Through further reporting, The Sentinel is confident this is from the victim of Wednesday afternoon's fire, although police have not yet received confirmation of his identity. The 15-page statement is printed in full, except for two redacted items: The names of the man's mother and his three children. Details will be posted as they become available.
Last Statement
by Tom Ball
A man walks up to the main door of the Keene N.H. County Courthouse, douses himself with gasoline and lights a match. And everyone wants to know why.
Apparently the old general was right. Death is not the worst of evil.
I am due in court the end of the month. The ex-wife lawyer wants me jailed for back child support. The amount ranges from $2,200. to $3,000. depending on who you ask. Not big money after being separated over ten years and unemployed for the last two. But I do owe it. If I show up for court without the money and the lawyer say jail, then the judge will have the bailiff take me into custody. There really are no surprises on how the system works once you know how it actually works. And it does not work anything like they taught you in high school history or civics class.
I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But I am done being bullied for being a man. I cannot believe these people in Washington are so stupid to think they can govern Americans with an iron fist. Twenty-five years ago, the federal government declared war on men. It is time now to see how committed they are to their cause. It is time, boys, to give them a taste of war.
Dude should pay his child support, or make arrangements on payments, or consider protection next time. Actions have consequences.
My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001. While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.
When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said I could not stay there that night.
You need to pair up and child-rear with a non-psycho female.
Trust me, I know exactly how hard the fuck that is. And believe me, I know I'm not exactly a box of Bon-Bons, either. Thank God I managed to check myself 'fo I wrecked myself.
she had called a mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she too would be arrested.
One does not call "a mental health provider" out of the blue. There's some back story here.
Suddenly, everything made sense. ... If both she and I were arrested, what would happen to our three children, ages 7,4 and 1? They would end up in State custody. So my wife called the police on her husband to protect the children. And who was she protecting the kids from? Not her husband, the father of these children. She was protecting them from the State of New Hampshire.
Confirmation: psycho-female
So I looked up the law. Minor custodial children are exempted. Apparently, 93% of American parents still spank, slap or pinch their children. To this day I still wonder if Freyer would have made this arrest if it had been the mother that had slapped the child.
Arrests are mandatory for the police in New Hampshire for domestic violence. That is not law. That is police department policy.
The FBI keeps track of all other crimes. How come not domestic violence? I thought some low level clerk was blowing me off.
Interesting...
Talk about TLDR. More later I guess. BIG DRAMA
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Y'all haven't changed in 6 years.
Same goes to you. Tell us what the fuck your problem is. Do you want to understand why someone went to the extreme of setting himself on fire, or do you want to pointlessly cast aspersions?
I think it's pretty easy. He set himself on fire because he is a little nuts and something traumatic that happened with the family court sent him over the edge.
I was more laughing that Denis is still saying "Oh no guys, come on" and you're still the easiest person to offend since Jesse Jackson.
The issue is the "something traumatic that happened." I'm not exactly up on my southern drawl, but "Y'all" sounds like it's pointed at everyone, sorta like the shotgun approach. How is one to know WTF you're talking about, or to whom?
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C'mon people, copy & document for posterity
(spared everyone the rest)
If you had actually read the whole (Sentinel) piece (I've read about half), instead of going into attack mode, you might have responded more sensibly. There are A LOT of people being screwed by the statist court system you apparently seem to love. I'm going to leave it at that, before I start sounding as bad as you do.
The bottom line is that just like everything else run by the state, the court system is a racket, and it destroys lives.
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hopefully it was one of the kannings
or the canarios
cuz.......this would REALLY show the MAN.....that shits gonna change.......or else.....they'll all light themselves on fire.......
''if we had more men like you......we'd have less men like you''
-hawkeye pierce
Jesus H. Christ, man, that was awful.
Denis, your being a dick as well.
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hopefully it was one of the kannings
or the canarios
cuz.......this would REALLY show the MAN.....that shits gonna change.......or else.....they'll all light themselves on fire.......
''if we had more men like you......we'd have less men like you''
-hawkeye pierce
Jesus H. Christ, man, that was awful.
Denis, your being a dick as well.
WTF man?
Everyone here is a dick.
Cept MAYBE Dale.
He's a sweetheart.
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Keith Translation Mode: Enabled
I'll try again to explain this to you.
1. I refuse to admit that my previous statement didn't make sense so I'll imply that it is you that is the problem.
Thank you for your point.
2. I am ignoring your point.
I will make sure to not type a single word that a single person on Earth would read and think that I was attacking the guy.
3. I am passive aggressive.
Also, I don't understand why you continue to be such a troll online.
4. I know that it pisses you off when people call you a troll, because you really hate trolls, so I shall now call you a troll.
Oh well, maybe somethings will never change.
5. I am ever so above it all.
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Inb4 Keith plays dumb and acts like he doesn't understand any of those points.
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Inb4 Keith plays dumb and acts like he doesn't understand any of those points.
*QF GIANTFUCKING T*
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I just finished reading the Sentinel piece, and it reads like the sentiments of a truly troubled man--the sort whose lost hope was supposed to be restored by moving to New Hampshire.
Though, if you read the whole thing, or far enough in, you will see that his conclusions are flawed. In multiple ways, it should be understood that he has only his education to blame. The NAP did not reach his soul in time. I expect the NH bureaucrats will leverage the violent sentiments in it to color the recognizable liberty talk as also violent, and extrapolate the fear of violence to all those who talk of liberty. It's fortunate that he chose to limit the violence to his own body, or they would have much more to go with. This is a time for measured speech, in Keene, NH, and everywhere.
Though his writing is far from perfect, it is mostly coherent, and helps the sane understand his desperate actions, somewhat. We are fortunate that this desperate individual left us more to digest than the typical rambling, however flawed.
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Jesus Christ...that was painful to read. Poor bastard.
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Jesus Christ...that was painful to read. Poor bastard.
Yeah,
The preventable shit and the ommisions of important details kinda bugged me about his story. He didn't write it for my benefit though, so who am I to say? But overall, felt bad for the situation he was in. Poor bastard indeed.
Shoulda chose his sperm recepticle more carefully. I sure know I've been guilty of not doing that in the past.
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While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a cut lip.
Good riddance.
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I once slapped a bitch for teething my dick during a blow job.
I only gave her one warning. Three seems over the top.
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I read probably the first third of that guys letter and the last several paragraphs. Obviously by his actions he wasnt in his right mind but it all seems so sane and logical on paper. The suicide not so much. He was NOT a free stater was he?
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I read probably the first third of that guys letter and the last several paragraphs. Obviously by his actions he wasnt in his right mind but it all seems so sane and logical on paper. The suicide not so much. He was NOT a free stater was he?
No, he was from MA
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I once slapped a bitch for teething my dick during a blow job.
I only gave her one warning. Three seems over the top.
I slap women during blowjobs just for fun. Most women, certainly not all, like it.
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you're still the easiest person to offend since Jesse Jackson.
A-FUCKING-MEN already
right?
he's like having a black-jew-hispanic-muslim-transgendered-gay-oprah-diva-bitch hangin' round
every word you type might hit a fucking trip-wire
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I once slapped a bitch for teething my dick during a blow job.
I only gave her one warning. Three seems over the top.
I slap women during blowjobs just for fun. Most women, certainly not all, like it.
Trick is to knock their teeth out BEFORE the blowjob, not during.
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hopefully it was one of the kannings
or the canarios
cuz.......this would REALLY show the MAN.....that shits gonna change.......or else.....they'll all light themselves on fire.......
''if we had more men like you......we'd have less men like you''
-hawkeye pierce
Jesus H. Christ, man, that was awful.
Denis, your being a dick as well.
oh, come off it, al.
yeah, it's sad & tragic.......course, he was fucked-in-the-head.
so, 2 choices (3 actually)
1:these fucking people off themselves
2:these fucking people off YOU & your kids/family/friends & THEN off themselves
3: the state intervenes & WE get to house/feed/care for these fucking people FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES......
ON OUR DIME.
i salute this fuckin guy for takin' care of bidness without going # 2 or 3 on us.
just the facts, ma'am.
if i get to that bridge in life, i'll try not to go 2/3 oon you either.....i'd appreciate the same
[youtube]qxOwHutnXNA[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIeLKB0wU8[/youtube]
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I've heard that bit by Stanhope probably half a dozen times and I still laugh so hard I cry!
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I've heard that bit by Stanhope probably half a dozen times and I still laugh so hard I cry!
He's the bestest, aint he?
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cuz.......this would REALLY show the MAN.....that shits gonna change.......or else.....they'll all light themselves on fire.......
''if we had more men like you......we'd have less men like you''
-hawkeye pierce
Jesus H. Christ, man, that was awful.
Denis, your being a dick as well.
oh, come off it, al.
yeah, it's sad & tragic.......course, he was fucked-in-the-head.
so, 2 choices (3 actually)
1:these fucking people off themselves
2:these fucking people off YOU & your kids/family/friends & THEN off themselves
3: the state intervenes & WE get to house/feed/care for these fucking people FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES......
ON OUR DIME.
i salute this fuckin guy for takin' care of bidness without going # 2 or 3 on us.
just the facts, ma'am.
if i get to that bridge in life, i'll try not to go 2/3 oon you either.....i'd appreciate the same
[youtube]qxOwHutnXNA[/youtube]
I'll play it your way. I agree. I wonder if this was all a set up any way. What are the odds that this sort of weird disobedience happened in Keene from someone unknown to all the liberty people there?
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I wonder if this was all a set up any way. What are the odds that this sort of weird disobedience happened in Keene from someone unknown to all the liberty people there?
Unfortunately not.
This kind of Kafkaesque nightmare is all too common in the world...
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What are the odds that this sort of weird disobedience happened in Keene from someone unknown to all the liberty people there?
Since I know most of the movers in Keene really well and since none knew him, I'm guessing close to 100%.
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What are the odds that this sort of weird disobedience happened in Keene from someone unknown to all the liberty people there?
Since I know most of the movers in Keene really well and since none knew him, I'm guessing close to 100%.
what a koinky dink.
is this dude in the running for "activist of the year"
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Also that wasn't very nice. :-(
neither is neglecting your child
(oh.....hey.....russ-russ works for under-the-table-scraps, why????????? DOHHHH, that pesky kid, again)
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Will Grigg wrote about this
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/06/when-state-breaks-man.html
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I wouldn't know about this if I didn't check the bbs. How is it that if someone dies this in Korea or Zimbabwe it's on the national news in the US but when it happens in Keene, NH they say nothing? Is it really so common in the US that it's not as noteworthy as when a Tibetan does it?
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Is it really so common in the US that it's not as noteworthy as when a Tibetan does it?
It's just uncomfortable for a media that is in the pocket of a state that claims to be moral.
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I wouldn't know about this if I didn't check the bbs. How is it that if someone dies this in Korea or Zimbabwe it's on the national news in the US but when it happens in Keene, NH they say nothing? Is it really so common in the US that it's not as noteworthy as when a Tibetan does it?
Well, it's happened two weeks in a row in the US. Maybe the media is tied of talking about it? And by the way, did this happen in Korea or Zimbabwe? I never heard about that :)
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I wouldn't know about this if I didn't check the bbs. How is it that if someone dies this in Korea or Zimbabwe it's on the national news in the US but when it happens in Keene, NH they say nothing? Is it really so common in the US that it's not as noteworthy as when a Tibetan does it?
Now why would the govt news want to bring attention to a problem that they are causing? (partially anyway)
ABC
NBC
CBS
CNN
FOX
All govt lapdogs for the most part. Not trying to sound conspiratorial, because thats what it sounds like, but thats just the way it is. It's purely a business decision. All questions are pre-approved, filtered for content before they ever make a story. If the story doesn't pass govt snuff, it doesn't go. If it does somehow slip through and the govt doesn't like it, that news agency is no longer invited to press conferences, losing them money when advertisers see that the network in question wasn't invited to Obamas latest chest pounding session. They dont want that, hence........... "Fuck that story, theres a big rambling 13 page suicide note bringing attention to failed govt policies...... ummm, no, put it in the trash".
Granted, it wasn't an Obama policy that this dude snuffed himself out over, but its close enough to home to look bad.
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This isn't being reported?
Things really have gone south haven't they.
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This isn't being reported?
Things really have gone south haven't they.
It certainly is being reported. At least all over New England news media (radio, TV, papers, blogs, even government radio) is covering it and Indy media all over the place is covering it. It looks like it's getting more coverage then the guy that burned himself in CA a week earlier. Maybe because of the suicide note or the location of the body?
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I wouldn't know about this if I didn't check the bbs. How is it that if someone dies this in Korea or Zimbabwe it's on the national news in the US but when it happens in Keene, NH they say nothing? Is it really so common in the US that it's not as noteworthy as when a Tibetan does it?
he was WHITE
get it?
if he was a minority, the faggots'd be falling all over themselves to find a ''hate crime/racial'' angle to the fucking deal
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NH: Keene martyr died protesting Federal "war on men"
Man dies by fire outside a New Hampshire courthouse, hoping it will draw attention to the system's abuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-prCKYUQp-8
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IIRC in Seamus' prior P411 calls he complained (a lot) that he didn't have a car
guess its safe to go back to making fun of the guy since it wasnt him:P
Ya, sounds like par for the thinking here. You people don't understand that there are weak minds out there that can be pushed over the edge by your tendency towards verbal abuse. People here are like a bunch of kids in the playground making fun of the fat kid in glasses. Who knows what has happened to the many past posters here that have been driven off by the BS that passes for chatter here? Sure, free speech and all that. I would be the last one to limit your speech, but I hope some of you start to wise up.
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IIRC in Seamus' prior P411 calls he complained (a lot) that he didn't have a car
guess its safe to go back to making fun of the guy since it wasnt him:P
Ya, sounds like par for the thinking here. You people don't understand that there are weak minds out there that can be pushed over the edge by your tendency towards verbal abuse. People here are like a bunch of kids in the playground making fun of the fat kid in glasses. Who knows what has happened to the many past posters here that have been driven off by the BS that passes for chatter here? Sure, free speech and all that. I would be the last one to limit your speech, but I hope some of you start to wise up.
are you fucking kidding me?
listen, jackass (theres 10 more minutes w/ your therapist)
you are obviously part & parcel of the ''PC'' douchebaggery I & most here despise.
oohhh no........let's not ''offend'' anyone. they might light themselves on fire.
if the construction & progress of this country were left to you & nitwits of your ilk, we'd still be standing around circle-jerking each other off next to our burning wagons, eating our dead.
ever hear of darwin? we can't ALL fit on this spinning ball.........
life's rough.......buckle up, asshole
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This isn't being reported?
Things really have gone south haven't they.
It certainly is being reported. At least all over New England news media (radio, TV, papers, blogs, even government radio) is covering it and Indy media all over the place is covering it.
Not in Maine. They have been running a slightly different story for the last week or so.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/13/maine-police-find-4-bodies-in-home/
DEXTER, Maine – A father angry over being denied access to his children and legally barred from seeing them went to their home Monday morning and killed them, his estranged wife and then himself.
Investigators can't say for sure what pushed Steven Lake over the edge, Maine State Police Maj. Gary Wright said, but a relative told The Associated Press that Lake was frustrated by an ongoing custody dispute and particularly upset at having to miss his son's eighth-grade graduation.
Also, I don't see much returned by Google.
It's a suicide...pretty much local news.
What's missing from the obituary?
Thomas J. Ball
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/telegram/obituary.aspx?n=thomas-j-ball&pid=152017372
Thomas J. Ball, 58, of Holden, passed away in Keene, NH, on Wednesday, June 15, 2011. He graduated from Wachusett Regional High School in Holden and the University of Massachusetts Amherst.
Mr. Ball was a U.S. Army veteran of the Vietnam Era and a member of the Army National Guard in MA, NY and NH, obtaining the rank of Sergeant. He worked for many years as a service advisor for a number of car dealerships throughout New England.
He leaves his children, Sara J. Ball, Melissa A. Ball and Kevin T. Ball, all of Jaffrey, NH; a sister, Margaret A. Weber of Marlboro, CT; and three brothers, Donald A. Ball of Worcester, Timothy E. Ball and Kenneth D. Ball, both of Holden. His brother, Richard W. Ball predeceased him in 2006. He was born in Holden, the son of Warren O. and Callista (Llewellyn) Ball.
Relatives and friends are invited to attend a calling hour starting at 10:30 a.m. followed by a funeral service honoring his life at 12 Noon on Monday, June 20th, in the Miles Funeral Home, 1158 Main St., Holden. Burial will be private at the convenience of the family. Memorial donations in lieu of flowers may be made to Crotched Mountain Rehabilitation Center, 1 Verney Drive, Greenfield, NH 03047.
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What are the odds that this sort of weird disobedience happened in Keene from someone unknown to all the liberty people there?
Since I know most of the movers in Keene really well and since none knew him, I'm guessing close to 100%.
Have they all seen Tom Ball's picture?
(http://www.thedailyholden.com/placedimages/f204DBqnGwD687BB.med.jpg)
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If more and more people start doing this how long until the government outlaws fire? Wasn't it in the Sword of Truth series that fire was outlawed? Just wait, give the pricks in government an excuse.....
I got an idea for Porcfest........
Seriously though, I hope the state employees that caused all this pain........
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzQvGz6_fvA[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_snc59hEcAM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g[/youtube]
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Dont forget this 80's favorite.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdRADz9i0bo[/youtube]
or this one.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipqqEFoJPL4[/youtube]
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IIRC in Seamus' prior P411 calls he complained (a lot) that he didn't have a car
guess its safe to go back to making fun of the guy since it wasnt him:P
Ya, sounds like par for the thinking here. You people don't understand that there are weak minds out there that can be pushed over the edge by your tendency towards verbal abuse. People here are like a bunch of kids in the playground making fun of the fat kid in glasses. Who knows what has happened to the many past posters here that have been driven off by the BS that passes for chatter here? Sure, free speech and all that. I would be the last one to limit your speech, but I hope some of you start to wise up.
are you fucking kidding me?
listen, jackass (theres 10 more minutes w/ your therapist)
you are obviously part & parcel of the ''PC'' douchebaggery I & most here despise.
oohhh no........let's not ''offend'' anyone. they might light themselves on fire.
if the construction & progress of this country were left to you & nitwits of your ilk, we'd still be standing around circle-jerking each other off next to our burning wagons, eating our dead.
ever hear of darwin? we can't ALL fit on this spinning ball.........
life's rough.......buckle up, asshole
An excellent example of the vitriolic behavior that goes on here. Maybe some day you could try to make a comment worthy of response...
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oh yeah?????
my god can beat up your god..........
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I didn't know this man, but judging from details that keep popping up, Mr. Ball was clearly violent (slapping a child in the face) and volatile (no pun intended). He was definitely unstable, serving in multiple states' National Guard and never making it past Sergeant. Sure, the court system might have been mean to him, but this man clearly had internal issues that he couldn't quite work through. He was basically dry kindling just waiting for a match...ooh, to soon?
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He was basically dry kindling just waiting for a match...ooh, to soon?
Way past the unspoken rule that goes back to the days of the Aztec indians.
After the high priest ripped the still beating heart out of a sacrificial virgin, the Aztec's would wait 48 hrs before laughing about it, so you're safe.
Carry on.
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Jesus Fucking Christ what a mess this thread has become.
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theres nothing on tv tonite
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Jesus Fucking Christ what a mess this thread has become.
I totally agree.
Do you people have no shame?
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Jesus Fucking Christ what a mess this thread has become.
I totally agree.
Do you people have no shame?
They don't. I can't say I'm at all surprised.
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I haven't even posted a photoshop of Tom Ball on fire...yet.
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I haven't even posted a photoshop of Tom Ball on fire...yet.
Jerry Lee can provide the soundtrack.
(http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/quickmike1969_photo/jerry-lee-lewis88383838.jpg)
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If I were looking for heroes, I wouldn't be looking at this guy's story.
Lighting yourself up because the gov. and the mother of your kids bullied you makes one a dummy, not a hero. And over a measly 2 grand? Would it be as awesome if he'd burned himself in front of a Dairy Queen as opposed to a gov. building?
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If I were looking for heroes, I wouldn't be looking at this guy's story.
Lighting yourself up because the gov. and the mother of your kids bullied you makes one a dummy, not a hero. And over a measly 2 grand? Would it be as awesome if he'd burned himself in front of a Dairy Queen as opposed to a gov. building?
No
Fire & ice cream dont mesh well.
I've seen posts in the comments section of news stories saying something to the effect of "THIS MAN WAS A HERO THAT SERVED HIS COUNTRY FOR 21 YEARS!!........ YOU SHOULD ALL PRAISE HIM!!!"
I was like "Yeah, he served the very idiots who made the laws that helped put him in his shit situation......... way to go Einstein!!"
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If I were looking for heroes, I wouldn't be looking at this guy's story.
Lighting yourself up because the gov. and the mother of your kids bullied you makes one a dummy, not a hero. And over a measly 2 grand? Would it be as awesome if he'd burned himself in front of a Dairy Queen as opposed to a gov. building?
This.
Self immolation of any style is terrible. I don't know why anyone would go and damage themselves ON PURPOSE, much less kill themself. It is so anti-evolutionary, disgusting, and deprecating.
I get that this guy got shafted over and over and over. Literally he got bent over the barrel time and time again. That's shitty. But killing himself does not do anything to help!
The only thing remotely positive about this terrible situation is that at least he didn't go on a shooting rampage or try to assassinate anybody.
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The only thing remotely positive about this terrible situation is that at least he didn't go on a shooting rampage or try to assassinate anybody.
thank you............
as i previously stated.
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FreeKeene.com is reporting Cheshire County authorities in New Hampshire have destroyed the footage of the incident.
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If I were looking for heroes, I wouldn't be looking at this guy's story.
Lighting yourself up because the gov. and the mother of your kids bullied you makes one a dummy, not a hero. And over a measly 2 grand? Would it be as awesome if he'd burned himself in front of a Dairy Queen as opposed to a gov. building?
This.
Self immolation of any style is terrible. I don't know why anyone would go and damage themselves ON PURPOSE, much less kill themself. It is so anti-evolutionary, disgusting, and deprecating.
I get that this guy got shafted over and over and over. Literally he got bent over the barrel time and time again. That's shitty. But killing himself does not do anything to help!
The only thing remotely positive about this terrible situation is that at least he didn't go on a shooting rampage or try to assassinate anybody.
If more people dicked over by the government went on shooting sprees, the government would have to become nicer.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
I'd tend to agree, but look at Greece. They're bankrupt yet they still somehow have cash to pay the riot police.
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I don't get why anyone would think that putting stress on a government would cause a liberalization of policy. Threats are responded to with increased 'security'. Costs are responded to with inflation or increased taxes. Protests (usually) with new regulations.
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I don't get why anyone would think that putting stress on a government would cause a liberalization of policy. Threats are responded to with increased 'security'. Costs are responded to with inflation or increased taxes. Protests (usually) with new regulations.
The logic is that the more cracking down a government does, the more it costs, and the more it costs, the more that "Everyday" people resent them and want them to go away. Also there is a finite amount of money, sorta.
The idea of this sort of thing that the activist types don't feel super comfortable admitting openly is that what they REALLY want is to provoke the state into being as evil as possible until people stop tolerating them.
It's similar to the concept of "Bleeding the beast" where Mormons sign up for every welfare penny they can get in hopes of bankrupting the state.
*Shrug*
Personally, I don't think that that method works. I'm mainly a fan of explaining that government is evil and showing it. Cameras are good.
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I don't get why anyone would think that putting stress on a government would cause a liberalization of policy. Threats are responded to with increased 'security'. Costs are responded to with inflation or increased taxes. Protests (usually) with new regulations.
The logic is that the more cracking down a government does, the more it costs, and the more it costs, the more that "Everyday" people resent them and want them to go away. Also there is a finite amount of money, sorta.
The idea of this sort of thing that the activist types don't feel super comfortable admitting openly is that what they REALLY want is to provoke the state into being as evil as possible until people stop tolerating them.
It's similar to the concept of "Bleeding the beast" where Mormons sign up for every welfare penny they can get in hopes of bankrupting the state.
*Shrug*
Personally, I don't think that that method works. I'm mainly a fan of explaining that government is evil and showing it. Cameras are good.
Problem is the Gubmint don't care. They may fire a scapegoat that was dumb enough to get caught on tape. They my "publicly" change a policy but there is an administrative work around or new regulation to basically keep it the same but with a new name.
Cameras will just get you arrested too. Then you have to decide to take the deal or drain them for every dollar you can.
The pressure being put on the town is already showing. They have stopped ticketing some cars as they know they will pay more to get a guilty verdict in court than the ticket is worth. Pressure can work but you need to pick where you apply it and make sure you have enough people that the pressure would be real. 1 person can't apply enough but 100 can.
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Simple ordinance: If you're found guilty, you pay court costs. Also, the poor sap who got let go before because he was on his way to church or some BS is now facing an almost 100% ticket guarantee, making the state more onerous to more people. To me, it's a bit like agent provocateur (sp?) in the other direction. Then again, no pain, no gain, right?
I think Shaw is right on about provoking the state (like I just said ^). The problem is that the eventual path here is revolution, probably violent which is bad for a majority of the population a majority of the time.
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Cameras will just get you arrested too.
Not if you don't get caught.
Then you have to decide to take the deal or drain them for every dollar you can.
Or you don't get caught.
Seriously, don't get caught.
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I agree.
People need to start being more creative in their ways of screwing with the law on the sly.
I practice it whenever an opportunity arises.
I have a friend who refuses to comply with the mandatory auto insurance laws, for example. He scanned a copy of someone elses card, changed a few key numbers, added his name and different expiration date, then laminated it. Looks professional. He's used it numerous times when getting pulled over. Cops just glance at it and give it back to you anyway. They just wanna see the card. He saves himself some cash and nobody is the wiser.
I know its not much, but its just one example, albeit not the smartest thing in the world in the off chance that you do get in an accident, but its something.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
I'd tend to agree, but look at Greece. They're bankrupt yet they still somehow have cash to pay the riot police.
Also, by the time they fall, I'm pretty sure they'll do their best to drag the rest of us down with 'em.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
I'd tend to agree, but look at Greece. They're bankrupt yet they still somehow have cash to pay the riot police.
Also, by the time they fall, I'm pretty sure they'll do their best to drag the rest of us down with 'em.
No need to drag the US down really. This country already suffers from the same disease that Greece is dealing with.
We'll do just fine fuckin' things up on our own, but yeah, you're right, Greece holding their hands out to everyone should speed it up a bit.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
after you........
niggas got WAYY more bullets than you , rambo
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
after you........
niggas got WAYY more bullets than you , rambo
Why's it gotta be loud, and hard? Planting marijuana seeds everywhere in your county can tie up hundreds of man-hours of police.
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No, they would have the excuses they need to really ramp up the police state.
There's a point where that wouldn't be sustainable.
after you........
niggas got WAYY more bullets than you , rambo
Why's it gotta be loud, and hard? Planting marijuana seeds everywhere in your county can tie up hundreds of man-hours of police.
i agree........... silent chaos
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Why's it gotta be loud, and hard?
that's wut yo momma keep axin me....
anyway, THEY want it ''loud & hard'' nigga
get mo funds nex year fo the riot van.....full-auto shit
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Why's it gotta be loud, and hard? Planting marijuana seeds everywhere in your county can tie up hundreds of man-hours of police.
i agree........... silent chaos
What else you got in mind? The other big thing I got to thinking is doing other peoples taxes for them. The IRS can't break down everyones door, and its a total clusterfuck of their resources to audit everyone.
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The government doesnt need to be replaced violently. Violent revolutions lead to a violent government replacing it (I think Kropotkin might have talked about that). Revolutions work better if they are peaceful and replace the government services with functional new ones immediately. Thats where agorism & voluntarism comes in.
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more black helicopters