Mandatory vaccinations may be harmful.

[Turd Ferguson]

Fine, but how do YOU know its bullshit?

Are you a biologist? Whats your background on the subject?

I'm not making claims either way on it, because I have no idea. Its not my area of expertise. Just funny when people claim something is bullshit when they really have no knowledge on the subject at hand, cept maybe a few college courses or something of that nature.

I guess the main reason im so skeptical of medical claims, is because I have two friends, husband and wife, both doctors, one an oncologist and the other a neurosurgeon. I cant even begin to tell you how many times I've heard out of both of their mouths "yeah, this new drug blah blah blah seems promising, nothing dangerous about it" Then, after the recall "Yeah, they found out it causes this blah blah blah..... pretty bad stuff", and im like "you just said two months ago that it was a miracle drug" they just roll their eyes off to the side as if to say "yeah yeah, I know, its all bullshit, we just spew what the pamphlets tell us"

Everyones an expert, till they're proven wrong.


Thats all im saying.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Fine, but how do YOU know its bullshit?

Are you a biologist? Whats your background on the subject?

I'm not making claims either way on it, because I have no idea. Its not my area of expertise. Just funny when people claim something is bullshit when they really have no knowledge on the subject at hand, cept maybe a few college courses or something of that nature.

I guess the main reason im so skeptical of medical claims, is because I have two friends, husband and wife, both doctors, one an oncologist and the other a neurosurgeon. I cant even begin to tell you how many times I've heard out of both of their mouths "yeah, this new drug blah blah blah seems promising, nothing dangerous about it" Then, after the recall "Yeah, they found out it causes this blah blah blah..... pretty bad stuff", and im like "you just said two months ago that it was a miracle drug" they just roll their eyes off to the side as if to say "yeah yeah, I know, its all bullshit, we just spew what the pamphlets tell us"

Everyones an expert, till they're proven wrong.


Thats all im saying.

I am. and I used to make vaccines. The claims are bullshit. Vaccines are generally a very good thing.  I don't think they should be mandatory, and I'm not a fan of the flu shot. But I have a load of other vaccines, more than I can count and do not regret any of them.

[alaric89]

The autism-vaccine thing is bullshit. I honestly don't know how people can believe that crap.

Because many of us have seen toddlers, that were happy and outgoing, get some shot and suddenly be autistic.
OK?
I follow the rule that personnel experience and observation trump what someone in a labcoat says when I make decisions.
 

[anarchir]

The autism-vaccine thing is bullshit. I honestly don't know how people can believe that crap.

Because many of us have seen toddlers, that were happy and outgoing, get some shot and suddenly be autistic.
OK?
I follow the rule that personnel experience and observation trump what someone in a labcoat says when I make decisions.
 

I dont even think we actually have higher autism rates. The reason why more are diagnosed as such is because they changed the criteria for being in the "Autism" category. Did you know they consider "asbergers" as a part of autism?

[anarchir]

Not much has changed in our lifestyles over the last 50 yrs

wut

[Fred]

Would it be a good thing if everyone lived forever?

No!

[Turd Ferguson]

Not much has changed in our lifestyles over the last 50 yrs

wut

Seriously, besides the way we communicate, high tech gadgets and all that stuff, whats really changed?

Cars still run on gasoline, we dont have flying cars yet, surgery still involves cutting you open, govt still screws ya.


Basically the same shit in a different package.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

The autism-vaccine thing is bullshit. I honestly don't know how people can believe that crap.

Because many of us have seen toddlers, that were happy and outgoing, get some shot and suddenly be autistic.
OK?
I follow the rule that personnel experience and observation trump what someone in a labcoat says when I make decisions.
 

Lots of mental diseases only show up in people at certain ages. Autism will hit at around 7, depression at 12, schizophrenia at 20.

[alaric89]

Wrong, autism is noticeable in toddlers.
Are all the pro- vaccination people denying that chemicals have no adverse effects on the human brain?

[Pizzly]

Wrong, autism is noticeable in toddlers.
Are all the pro- vaccination people denying that chemicals have no adverse effects on the human brain?

Wouldn't matter if it were true imho.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/30/penn-and-teller-take-on-vaccines/

[alaric89]

Thanks to a vaccination I got before desert storm my seminal fluid could cut steel. It finally stopped after ten years or so.
You can link all you want I don't blindly believe anything, I go by shit I see and notice and hold my own opinion.
I don't like to be fucked with anyway here are a few of my own links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
It will be a cold day in hell before I follow any other opinion then my own about doctors.
You want to blindly trust authority of any kind go right ahead.

[Ecolitan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

  Killed by blind allegiance to ancient jewish superstitions.  I expect he's gonna feel a lot better now that they've found that gold bell.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

Thanks to a vaccination I got before desert storm my seminal fluid could cut steel. It finally stopped after ten years or so.
You can link all you want I don't blindly believe anything, I go by shit I see and notice and hold my own opinion.
I don't like to be fucked with anyway here are a few of my own links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
It will be a cold day in hell before I follow any other opinion then my own about doctors.
You want to blindly trust authority of any kind go right ahead.

Thalidomide. The biggest cause of flipper babies. There was only so much doctors knew back then.

And, sorry about what happened to your daughters friends. I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to console a child on the death of their friends.

[alaric89]

Lot of cross thread posting today, but you didn't start it.
When I first heard David Reimers story I saw it on Discovery in the mid 90s. David was still alive and absolutely hated the doctor who told his parents to raise him as a girl, John Money. The documentary was actually a positive view of Dr. Money, you see at the time the experts thought boys and girls were the same. David's story was mentioned in passing as a rebuttal. I remember a short time later hearing about his suicide.
There is only so much doctors know now. As private medicine gets more and more rare, and all accountability vanishes doctors will know less and become more arrogant and dangerous. All I am saying is if you or yours are on the block don't blindly follow. Good advice when dealing with anybody I would think.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Lot of cross thread posting today, but you didn't start it.
When I first heard David Reimers story I saw it on Discovery in the mid 90s. David was still alive and absolutely hated the doctor who told his parents to raise him as a girl, John Money. The documentary was actually a positive view of Dr. Money, you see at the time the experts thought boys and girls were the same. David's story was mentioned in passing as a rebuttal. I remember a short time later hearing about his suicide.
There is only so much doctors know now. As private medicine gets more and more rare, and all accountability vanishes doctors will know less and become more arrogant and dangerous. All I am saying is if you or yours are on the block don't blindly follow. Good advice when dealing with anybody I would think.

And what if you ARE the doctor?