Mandatory vaccinations may be harmful.

[Pizzly]

The use of vaccinations results in the emergence of vaccine resistant viruses, so shouldn't only those who are at risk vaccinate themselves? And aren't the single best people capable of determining who is at risk the individuals who themselves are getting the vaccination, not a socialistic entity? Also, herd immunity is important, but generally those who are at risk are in a situation where mandatory vaccinations are given as an employment requirement (thus voluntary).

Thoughts?

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Insteadwe should just infect the whole population with these diseases and let the strong survive :-/

[alaric89]

 Implying the dark ages had the same rules as now, as far as disease and individual personal choices go, is a non starter to any thinking person.
If the government feels a need to use force to implement it, it is suspicious and probably not honest, always and forever.
 In my 41 years I have had to use aggression against stupid doctors trying to do stupid things, with Friends and family, numerous times. I do not trust them in general.
 Doctors are generally arrogant and will not listen a mere fabricator, you know a guy who takes raw materials and invents on the fly to make a functioning machine. (funny story, Once when a Doctor was being silly and getting a reality check, he asked what I did and I pointed to a little mount I had built installed in the room and said "that.")
 Luckily I was born with the tools to get my way in most situations. The doctors tried twice to take these tools away from the young Al.
Once in the late 60's. They wanted to feed my 19 year old mother a medicine to help with morning sickness. For some reason she didn't. Many of my peers were later used as study on the different stages of fetal development because they were missing or had underdeveloped body parts because their mothers took said medicine at different stages of pregnancy.
 Later I was diagnosed for a early unnamed version of ADHD and had to take happy pills for about a year before my Dad told them to fuck off.
 Vaccinations sure as fuck might be harmful. And BTW Admiral, doctors haven't gotten more honest and accountable with time and being in bed with the government.
 In fact, some of the most evil fucks of the 20th century were doctors historically. If you ask "Who was truly evil in history?" the answer will be a leader, politician or a doctor. Why would I give voluntary card blanc power to anyone from those groups, let alone a combination of them?

[freeAgent]

I've had all the standard vaccinations and I feel fine and wasn't turned autistic, either.  You have no idea what kids are going to be more or less at risk.  I've also never heard of vaccine-resistant viruses.  I have heard of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, but that's different.  The more people who are not vaccinated, the more hosts for virus x or y there are, and that can lead to an epidemic...at least among the unvaccinated folks.  If/when I have kids, I'm sure as hell going to vaccinate them whether or not the government wants me to do so or not.

[alaric89]

I am not saying that I am all knowing or that I would stop you from making the choices you want to make, or even that I disallowed myself or my children to receive inoculations. What I am saying is it is up to me what someone sticks in my or a member of my families body. I also am stating for the record that both doctors and politicians are capable of evil and shouldn't be trusted with supreme power who gets what stuck in their veins.

[Turd Ferguson]

If you want a vaccine, get one. If you dont, dont get one.

Thats the king's rule. My rule.

If you dont get one and you infect someone with a virus, well, that person should have gotten the vaccination to protect them from getting your virus.

Autism? Maybe. The rate of autism has skyrocketed in developed countries. It might be from vaccinations or it might be from the shit they put in the food. Who knows. All I know is something is causing it that wasn't there before.

Amish people never get autism. Amish people dont get vaccines. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

I myself will not get a vaccination. Too much weird shit we dont know about them as far as long term effects go.

[freeAgent]

There was a study that came out recently that found that people who work in tech/science have kids with autism at a much higher rate than those outside those fields.  It could definitely be genetic in nature, with "geeky" people being more likely to carry some sort of autism gene(s).  When they mate, the chance of having autistic kids increases.  Of course, the difference was something like 0.8% compared to 0.2%.

I also wouldn't want to force anyone to vaccinate his or her children.  If you don't attend public school, is vaccination required now?

[alaric89]

To be allowed to go to school? Hell it was that way back in the 80's when I was in school.

[Turd Ferguson]

I never had to get one.

I remember lots of other kids my age that had these circle scars on their arms from the booster shots. I never had that.

I'm a vac-virgin.

[alaric89]

My parents were really young and easily fooled by bureaucrats. I remember one letter we got and I was off to the clinic. Could be that they caved really easy.

[freeAgent]

To be allowed to go to school? Hell it was that way back in the 80's when I was in school.

My question was whether or not vaccinations are required for children who don't go to public school.  I'm pretty sure they aren't.  I think the vaccination requirements at various school districts vary by state as well.

[anarchir]

I abhor the title of this thread. "Mandatory vaccinations may be harmful." This is a clear cut example of something the anti-vaccination crowd will do to trick people into supporting them. "Vaccinations may be harmful" does not mean  "Mandatory vaccinations may be harmful. "     I am against --mandatory-- vaccination, but FOR vaccination.

Also, anyone who is claiming that vaccines cause autism is an idiot or a liar. There is ZERO evidence to support that.

Correlation doesnt imply causation.

[Pizzly]

I abhor the title of this thread. "Mandatory vaccinations may be harmful." This is a clear cut example of something the anti-vaccination crowd will do to trick people into supporting them. "Vaccinations may be harmful" does not mean  "Mandatory vaccinations may be harmful. "     I am against --mandatory-- vaccination, but FOR vaccination.

Also, anyone who is claiming that vaccines cause autism is an idiot or a liar. There is ZERO evidence to support that.

Correlation doesnt imply causation.

Agreed on every point. I made the post after a long, very frustrating argument on reddit where any moral argumentation was rejected (leaving me with this excuse for an argument), so I probably chose a bad title.

[Turd Ferguson]

I would in no way imply that it is vaccinations that cause higher rates of autism.

I would say that SOMETHING is causing it, wouldn't you agree? I mean, it didn't just happen out of nowhere, for no reason, right?

Lets say, just for the sake of argument that the higher rates of autism could be directly traced back to preservatives in food that are so prevailent nowadays. Do you think anyone in the industry would come out and admit that fact? Do you think they would just scrap the whole food preservative industry overnight and stand to lose trillions of dollars in high volume, low production cost food? I dont think so. Imagine the chaos that would ensue.

So basically, what im saying, is that whatever the cause, you and I aren't likely to find out why. Not anytime soon. Even if it were the vaccines.

Not much has changed in our lifestyles over the last 50 yrs besides the food, the vaccinations and maybe a few other minor things like amounts of exercise we get on a daily basis. Seems to me that one of those things is the culprit, unless of course im missing something in the equation, and for someone to say "theres no proof of that" is just being a little bit naive in my opinion. Even if there were proof, you would never know about it.

[Pizzly]

The autism-vaccine thing is bullshit. I honestly don't know how people can believe that crap.