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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: alaric89 on November 28, 2010, 12:31:52 PM
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I thought something was a little bizarre here, so I tattled. Earlier a thread was created making Mama Ally seem a racist. The thread has been removed of which I am grateful. Just in case someone read the thread and got the wrong idea, Mama Ally requested I post her "racist" posting in full. I do not personally know Mama Ally but I do admire her greatly for her bravery. I am greatly apposed to character assassination and will fight it if I see it. My family and Friends thank the guilty parties for getting me on facebook.
"Proud OutlawWomen MommaAlly November 28 at 3:32pm Report
Also in reply to the 'racist' comment supposedly made by me LMFAO those who read into that the argument they wanted to have do not know me at all or where I come from. Maybe its a text to talk miscommunication or maybe its a keyboard activist with nothing better to do than look for faults in others even if there are none and they have to make em up to have somethin shit stirring to talk about...Go to Savannah Georgia for one week and tell me you dont have a new found disgust for niggers. but explain to my beautiful, bootylicious black girlfriend Shae Bellamy how I am racist lol
there is a big difference and I cant stand stupid people regardless of what color and it happens to be my geographic position on earth to be the minority as a white girl on my side of town so most of the ignorant people I blast on the every day are yes black but is no indication to the rest of the world of anything other than I am a realist, in every instance, location and frame of mind regardless of who is or isnt listening.
COPIED AND PASTED in FULL "
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What happened to the original thread?
Edit: Between this post and the OP, there was a response from the accuser calling me a whiny bitch and submitting more alleged racist proof. It has been removed. I do not know who did it. it wasn't me.
I am indeed a whiny bitch. I take great pride in being in a exclusive club with Dennis Goddard.
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Sorry, Blackie. I guess you are out of the loop. Someone posted some seemingly racist stuff from Mama Ally's wall on facebook here on the BBS. I have decided to muck around with it. But the mods are not making it any easier.
In other news I am a whiny cunt or bitch. :shock: I Can't remember which one. But watching other peoples back is considered "whiny".
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I'm not sure the entire blurb is as rehabilitating as you think it is.
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Probably isn't. But how did it get here on the BBS? that is my problem.
A friend of mine commented on a old Chevy commercial we watched on youtube at work saying "boy what a Nigger killer of a bumper that thing has."
A lot of guys in the lunchroom probably thought he was a racist. Just one minor problem: His beautiful wife is black.
When you really don't give a shit what color people are, racist slurs are meaningless, and you realize that assholes come in all sizes and colors and sexual orientations good people as well.
I am in fact most racist against rednecks myself. Despite my redneck resume which is fucking stellar, I tick every goddamn box.
Mama Ally is a known agorist who uses good relations with minorities as a business advantage, calling her a racist needs a shit load of evidence not some rattled off tripe from facebook.
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When you really don't give a shit what color people are, racist slurs are meaningless, and you realize that assholes come in all sizes and colors and sexual orientations good people as well.
Conversely, if it really is meaningless to that person, why would they expend the energy to make a slur? Values are revealed in the action, not the profession.
Mama Ally is a known agorist who uses good relations with minorities as a business advantage, calling her a racist needs a shit load of evidence not some rattled off tripe from facebook.
I must have misunderstood. I thought the rattled off tripe you posted was from Mama Ally.
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The stuff I posted was of Mama Ally's knowledge and request.
The posts I am referring to have been removed. There was a thread where Mama Ally was quoted out of context that was removed earlier today. I am sure no one has the balls to back me up on it but at least the poster and two others have knowledge of the thread. If you want to call me a small time BBS conspiracy theorist that is fine, I have been called worse things.
If I am projecting any racism, it is my own. I hardly notice color anymore, I am more afraid of uniformity or group think, even when libertarians are doing it and go on a witch hunt.
If I have someone who uses controversial words vs. someone who tries to talk shit about someone in a place they have no knowledge or control of- the side to take is a no brainer for me.
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Haters have been hating on Mamma Alley for a long time. Pretty much any slur or insult into her character has been posted on her old youtube accounts I've noticed.
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I've spent a lot of time in Savannah and can vouch for Mama's comment about some of the populace in that town. She's right, and it isn't racist at all to be observant and mindful of what you've observed.
Never crossed my mind that she'd be racist in any way whatsoever. During some of her calls to the show, she even uses ghetto linguistics.
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my experience with her business and her has been less than pleasant and includes threatening language, racist remarks, and a resounding sense of unabashed and unapologetic behavior.
xaq recounts our experience here: http://blog.xaqfixx.com/?p=154
most notably he recieved a message after posting on youtube (which she deleted) regarding her video that she spammed on everyone's page:
title: you dirty dog piece of shit!
remember all the shit you talk on here will have to be answered for in person some day you snake bastard and I will show you no mercy just as you have shown me and my family with your meddlesome ignorance!
Get a life of your own and quit adding negativity to mine!
-Momma Ally
(screen cap is in the blog post)
we spoke last night via facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=180979441915890&id=638303082¬if_t=share_reply
she has deleted her comments and/or profile since and i didnt screencap it before i went to bed.
and for the record, i didn't cry.
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Referring to people as n*****s qualifies one to be labeled as a racist, threatening people qualifies as violence, yelling at people and insulting them qualifies as aggressive. This is either by the actual definition of those words or by the understood definitions of all those who are reading this that her actions would qualify as racist, violent and aggressive.
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You say racist, hellbilly says realist. Hellbilly is a realist.
I'm not sure if Mama Ally is a racist, but she is a douche bagger.
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I could simply scrub those last few posts. Lets note I am not that sort of coward.
Well Fuck. Here's how I see it.
I know she has been through hell the last couple months, the only person who has stepped up for her is a statist judge.
Personally I am wary of people who kick others when they are down, SHE HAS JUST LOST EVERYTHING! Reasonable and careful speech is not easy when you feel betrayed by pretty much everybody.
Liberty is a lot of things but one thing is letting harmless assholes be themselves, as long as he/she isn't hurting or infridging on others. We don't get that straight.... well we are pretty much done.
We know Mama Ally is a "doer".
Doers get pissed off and have a tendency to say unpopular things when they are. It is part of the person, believe me. We doers have to work for ourselves and can't be a politicians this reason.
Surely we all either are, or know examples.
I don't know the whole story. Has Mama Ally pissed some people off? Probably. Everybody does. All I am saying is, this player hating, at this point and time, is petty and wrong.
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I think she slipped up in her speech in a weak moment, people called her out on it, and she'll be more careful and considerate in the future. Give her a break.
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so my options are be an enabler or be a hater. cant it just be a matter of supporting the principals of liberty even if it isnt a cop or politician?
or i guess i should shut my mouth and let her run people over and continue posting harassing comments about unrelated people to my friends wall's and pages asking for harassment without any supporting evidence of wrongdoing.
what do you tell your children about online bullying? i am very sorry her life is in shambles....whether it is from the state or her own doing. however, voicing dissent should never lead to threats.
i guess we will let people really decide if they want their biscuits made with love or hate. thats what the free market is about, informed decision making. she is a business that wants me, and my friends to support her. as such it is my responsibility to make sure people are informed. guess i am a doer too....
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Her battles with any state officials have nothing to do with the issues being voiced.
It is unfortunate that her life has problems, however it doesn't excuse racism, violence or aggression.
I have no idea who she is personally when you are close to her, and that is none of my concern if you chose to be one of those people, however I will continue to point out when people are being racist, violent, or aggressive in hopes that people will know that it is okay to disapprove of people who act in such ways, despite their popularity.
If you want to be her friend then be her friend, but if you want to support the ideas of freedom, liberty and peaceful interaction, don't try and claim that supporting a racist, violent, aggressive person is anything close to that.
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You say racist, hellbilly says realist. Hellbilly is a realist.
I'm not sure if Mama Ally is a racist, but she is a douche bagger.
Thank ya blackie.
Sounds like TLB should have left their guard dogs at home. Pit bulls would fit this stereotype.. is that what they had at Porcfest?
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Yes, I will stick up for her. If we are friends, and I am hers, (we have corresponded a grand total of one day) she is not the friend I have had to let the most things slide for. From a political activist standpoint I support her as a talented agorist, not a politician, I simply want the dust to settle and her to move to NH and do what she is good at, and make sure she doesn't get to touch a fucking camera. (anyone sees her with a camera point to it like she is a toddler and say "No!") We don't need another Sam-I-Am, we need food.
I would appreciate it if people would understand Post Dramatic Stress a little better. To be honest (and I am a very passive person), if I am fucked with under hard stress, I am not nice and certainly not careful with my speech, people shouldn't take me so serious when I am in such a condition.
I find the actions of many Liberty lovers repugnant sometimes, but unless they are physically hurting someone right in front of me, they will always get the benefit of the doubt from me-
As do the critics of Mama Ally. I understand your anger and skepticism. Understand my point please, let the dust settle before we demonise someone who could be such a great asset to our goals.
You say racist, hellbilly says realist. Hellbilly is a realist.
I'm not sure if Mama Ally is a racist, but she is a douche bagger.
Thank ya blackie.
Sounds like TLB should have left their guard dogs at home. Pit bulls would fit this stereotype.. is that what they had at Porcfest?
Dogs are hard to find sitters for, especially aggressive ones, but you are probably right.
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A friend of mine commented on a old Chevy commercial we watched on youtube at work saying "boy what a Nigger killer of a bumper that thing has."
A lot of guys in the lunchroom probably thought he was a racist. Just one minor problem: His beautiful wife is black.
Sorry, son, that is racist. You are wrong. Just because a racist married a beautiful black woman does not exempt him from being racist towards blacks.
For instance, I have been with a Chinese woman for 13 years but I am racist towards Chinese people in general. So is she. Have to admit, they are some unobservant to the world around them fucks. That is for sure.
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I dont see the big deal with racism myself. Sure, its not a quality that I would consider a PLUS, thats for sure, but I can understand where it comes from. As long as someones racism isnt acted upon through force or harm to the person, its just an opinion about a particular race.
My grandmother is a good example of this. She doesn't like black people one bit. Is it because shes evil? No, its cuz shes old as fuck and thats how people were when she was growing up. She says things like "well, you can take the nigger out of the ghetto, but you cant take the ghetto out of the nigger" when she sees something about Obama or Tiger Woods on tv. I just kinda look at her and shake my head and let it go because I know that if a black person was lying bleeding on her doorstep, she would call an ambulance and try and help them when it came right down to it. I'm not saying its a good way to be, she just grew up thinking that way about blacks. It doesn't make someone evil just because they take a particular view on someone based on their race. Maybe a little ignorant, but surely not evil.
Ask yourself this.......
Would you rather associate with a person that just happens to dislike a particular race, yet does nothing harmful to people of that race and just chooses not to associate with those people, or would you rather associate with someone who claims to not be a racist, yet likes the idea of taking your money (taxes) away from you to give it to someone else and using the force of law to prevent you from doing something that isnt harming anyone(drugs, porn, etc)?
I'll hang out with the racist any day because its just a personal opinion they hold that does no harm to anyone. Seems to me that people who go out of their way to make a huge deal out of racism are people that are trying to show how "fair" they are, as if to say "HAH!! Look at me........ I'm up here........ you're down there"
At one time in the past, I really disliked middle eastern people because they're always trying to screw you in business exchanges. I still believe this, but I understand its not their race that is the cause of this. It is the environment they grew up in. Nowadays I tend to give the individual a fair shake without making a judgement on them before I know them. Did that make me EVIL.......... fuck no it didnt. I just lumped all people of that race together, which might not have been the most fair thing to do, but there are many things I can think of that are far worse than being a racist.
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Seems to me that people who go out of their way to make a huge deal out of racism are people that are trying to show how "fair" they are, as if to say "HAH!! Look at me........ I'm up here........ you're down there"
How about the third option that statements like that make me really, really uncomfortable. Like, were having a nice dinner in a nice restaurant and suddenly you stand up and take a shit in the middle of the table uncomfortable.
We were having a nice conversation, a couple of drinks, talking about the woes of the world, just having a good time. I really want to finish my perfectly-cooked steak, but it's really tough now with your shiny turd staring at me. I don't want it to be a "thing" and ruin a perfectly good evening, but ... you shit on the table. How can I ignore that?
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Seems to me that people who go out of their way to make a huge deal out of racism are people that are trying to show how "fair" they are, as if to say "HAH!! Look at me........ I'm up here........ you're down there"
How about the third option that statements like that make me really, really uncomfortable. Like, were having a nice dinner in a nice restaurant and suddenly you stand up and take a shit in the middle of the table uncomfortable.
We were having a nice conversation, a couple of drinks, talking about the woes of the world, just having a good time. I really want to finish my perfectly-cooked steak, but it's really tough now with your shiny turd staring at me. I don't want it to be a "thing" and ruin a perfectly good evening, but ... you shit on the table. How can I ignore that?
Yet would you react the same way if someone at the dinner table said "yeah, I think taxes are a good thing." Most likely you would just let shit slide and go about eating your dinner and moving on to the next subject, or maybe even debating them and showing them that they are wrong. I'm not defending racism at all. Im just saying thats just how some people are and if you can work on changing their minds through debate, thats the best way to handle it. Just seems people over-react to racist statements. I know racism isnt a good thing, but its amazing to me how some people equate it with something like cutting a babies head off and drinking the blood out of its still beating heart. Like, "OMG!!! YOU ARE A RACIST!!!THE HORROR!!!"
Ian is a good example of this. He takes calls from statist fucks all day and is more friendly on air to them than he is to a racist. Which one is worse? Somoene who wrongly judges someone on the basis of their race, or someone that thinks its ok to steal from you? Racists are really no biggie as long as they dont act on their racism and start killing people based on it.
I just dont get the level of seriousness some people give racism compared to other bad things that directly effect people in a more direct way.
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Agreed, quickmike.
The prideful technique of this generation is to shame others into submission, as if that really makes a difference in the end. Instead of knowing where one stands, and why, and then using any differences of opinion as a means to find common ground -- it's just easier to shame them. There's kinda a "social trophy" in it too, for the shamers.
Brock- why are you so frenzied by racist opinions?
I'm assuming you're primarily affected by racist comments against black folks. Are you just as affected by racist comments where white folks are the target?..or Asians, handicapped people, etc.
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Brock- why are you so frenzied by racist opinions?
I'm assuming you're primarily affected by racist comments against black folks. Are you just as affected by racist comments where white folks are the target?..or Asians, handicapped people, etc.
Ah, I think you hit on it. I'm not frenzied by racist opinions at all. It's the lack of courtesy? common sense? manners? that would lead someone to express those opinions that leads me to question the judgement of the speaker.
And, no, not just black comments, any collectivism. Even the use of the royal "we" grates on me.
As far as how I handle it (same as taxes or any politics or religion) in a social situation, I just ask politely for the speaker to refrain. Their response determines how passive aggressively I make them look like complete buffoons and how much time I will spend with that person in the future.
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i guess we will let people really decide if they want their biscuits made with love or hate. that's what the free market is about, informed decision making. she is a business that wants me, and my friends to support her. as such it is my responsibility to make sure people are informed. guess i am a doer too....
I don't give a frogs fat ass about the politics of the people I do business with. Since I live in a country where most people are Socialist I would quickly starve to death if I did. I want good value that's it.
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I cant stand stupid people regardless of what color
It's been my observation that her definition of "stupid people" is vast and many are beneath her if they don't agree with her or dare to bring up a concern.
She is right. You are wrong. If you don't back off (click!) unfriend or deletion of your comment or point of view.
It's as simple as Sandbox 101. It's her sandbox. Your sand castle sucks. She stomps on it, kicks you out and commands who is left in the sandbox not to play with you anymore.
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A friend of mine commented on a old Chevy commercial we watched on youtube at work saying "boy what a Nigger killer of a bumper that thing has."
A lot of guys in the lunchroom probably thought he was a racist. Just one minor problem: His beautiful wife is black.
Sorry, son, that is racist. You are wrong. Just because a racist married a beautiful black woman does not exempt him from being racist towards blacks.
For instance, I have been with a Chinese woman for 13 years but I am racist towards Chinese people in general. So is she. Have to admit, they are some unobservant to the world around them fucks. That is for sure.
Well.... O.K. :D
If a racist is simply prone to harmlessly generalizing, I wouldn't put them in the same class as a nasty animal that wants to hunt down and kill a certain race or believes one race should rule another. I don't actually mind the first type at all (unless they rub my face in it or something) and despise the second.
You specified a country, can you physically tell one Asian from another? I can't. (not being a smartass I really can't)
I am a chauvinist, but I love women and would never harm or use force on one, I just think they are a bit weaker in general and not the gender one would want to depend on in a emergency.* I hope that puts me a cut above a man who believes he owns his wife like his livestock.
But I am willing to bet some WOW member would punish and hurt me more than the truly evil man.
May I suggest a new word for the harmless type of racist? "Racist" is starting to be like the word "Sexual Predator" so over reaching that it loses any progressive meaning.
* I know plenty of women can kick my ass. I love the Diva part of the WWE, but I do generalize woman as a group.
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Brock- why are you so frenzied by racist opinions?
I'm assuming you're primarily affected by racist comments against black folks. Are you just as affected by racist comments where white folks are the target?..or Asians, handicapped people, etc.
Ah, I think you hit on it. I'm not frenzied by racist opinions at all. It's the lack of courtesy? common sense? manners? that would lead someone to express those opinions that leads me to question the judgement of the speaker.
And, no, not just black comments, any collectivism. Even the use of the royal "we" grates on me.
As far as how I handle it (same as taxes or any politics or religion) in a social situation, I just ask politely for the speaker to refrain. Their response determines how passive aggressively I make them look like complete buffoons and how much time I will spend with that person in the future.
Good enough for me.
I read this (short) commentary last night which pretty much includes everything that puzzles me about people (mostly whites) getting so worked up over "racism".
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Mark-Kirk-Re-Segregates-the-Senate-110975684.html
How do people become so passionate & sensitive in such awful, mislead ways? This is the kind of opinion that so many lefty types bag around with them. Totally throws common sense & logic out the door.
One comment to the article stood out:
This article is too simplistic and doesn't account for reality.
Since there are 100 senators and blacks make up 12% of the population, that means that there should statistically be (roughly) 10 black members of senate, in a vacuum where no other real world details can intrude.
However, reality changes things. Roughly half of blacks are women (who are far less likely to run or be elected). So that cuts the number down to roughly 5 or 6 members that we could expect in the senate.
In addition, a large percentage of the black population are not adults of age to run for senate. This cuts it down to maybe 2 possible senators, statistically.
Also consider that OVER HALF of adult black males have a criminal background. This cuts us down to (at most) ONE black senator, statistically.
Also consider that out of that, only roughly 2% of the eligible black males who are of age, with no criminal record, have the proper education and experience to run for the position. That means that NOT EVEN ONE black senator is likely, statistically.
This isn't about racism - it's about numbers.
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Those statistics are only relevant if they differentiate the black and white population
Gender breakdown, at the least, is irrelevant.
Age is probably only minimally relevant.
The education/experience criteria is at least partly subsumed by the criminal background criteria.
Which makes criminal background the only relevant point of difference.
And I don't know what the true statistics are there, I've heard a third, but half seems high.
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Those statistics are only relevant if they differentiate the black and white population
Gender breakdown, at the least, is irrelevant.
Age is probably only minimally relevant.
The education/experience criteria is at least partly subsumed by the criminal background criteria.
Which makes criminal background the only relevant point of difference.
And I don't know what the true statistics are there, I've heard a third, but half seems high.
Dunno.. his rough numbers sound pretty good to me.
Gender- more men than women run for office
Age- average age of a senator is 60
Education/experience- agreed, but it's relevant
I don't care too much if these numbers are correct (but I do think they are), what matters to me is the borderline worshiping of black people simply because they're black. Doesn't make any sense to me... especially given that most white folks who carry the torch for blacks don't even live near them or associate with many as close friends.
Take NPR for example.. honestly, every time I tune in there is something related to "African-American" drama, yet the staff of NPR has very, very few black members. Same with FTL actually.
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Thread seems to be dead now. I would like to make my last point. I don't believe most people are the harmful sort of racist. And almost everybody is the type that tends to generalize. Generalizing is a means of survival in many cultures. I don't collectivise because of race, but that took 40 years of experience teaching me that race has nothing to do with how people may be. Would I avoid a small group of young black men dodgingly walking down the street? Fuck an a right I would. I would avoid a group of young people walking dodgingly down the street no matter what fucking race or gender they were, but some peckerhead might call me a racist if I was seen crossing the street to avoid what looked like a gang.
Some peckerhead probably read that last sentence and said to themselves "See he equated black youth with gangs!"
You judgemental types are much more dangerous then any one who lets slip a minor racial slur. I once had to fight a black man because he heard I was a racist. Some peckerhead misconstrued something I said, lied and forced a black man to feel he had to defend himself. After we beat the hell out of each other (we were both in good shape he was a better street fighter but I had 40 pounds on him so it was a fairly even match) he saw how hurt I looked when he explained why we were fighting and he understood I had nothing against his race. I was just a regular asshole not a racist one. He would be a pretty busy guy if he beat up every plain old asshole around.
Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publically puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.
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I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.
You ever try kicking someone thats standing up? Its not that easy. :P
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Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publically puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.
I doubt you know where she lives. I wonder if you even know the state she lives in.
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People who don't live in "majority-minority" areas really should just stick to repeating what they've been told about minority folks. Easier that way -- no one on either side of the argument are likely to change the others opinion. So for those people.. keep the mantras simple:
Repeat to yourself daily..
1. African-Americans as a group need your (read: White People's) assistance.
2. Never collectivize African-Americans as a group. They are all shining diamonds that the white man stole from Africa. ..but they all need help.
3. You are a White Devil, guilty from birth.
These mantras are especially effective when repeated by white men as they watch interracial gang-bang porn featuring African-American men with 18 inch penises defiling white women in unthinkable ways.
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No point in arguing.. one side will continue living the experience and the other can keep fantasizing about how cool it must be.
As for me, I just returned a little while ago from a holiday school singing event at my son's public school. White kids make up less than 1/4 of the whole student body. I know some of the kids in his class and their parents, asian (all kinds), white, "Latino", black, American Indians, Muslims, Christians and all that too.. and various combinations. It's a cereal box photographer/PBS kid show's cast dream come true.
From speaking to the parents & kids I can say without a doubt that it isn't race alone that makes people shitheads. It isn't poverty either, to say so would be discrediting all the civilized parents who are doing fine jobs raising their kids in the ghetto.
The majority of ghetto people just seem to be plagued with laziness, entitlement mentality, herd mentality, "I gonna gets mines" / chip on the shoulder attitudes, trendy "gotta have them spinnin' rims!" fad following bullshit. Sucks to be one of the more responsible & intelligent black families stuck in the ghetto.. or so I am told.
While I don't have to live it, I see ghetto shit every day. Especially when I take my kid to school & pick him up... roads closed for shooting investigations (haven't witnessed one yet but I hear shots a few times a week), black guys staring down hispanic/latino/south american/mexican guys as they pass each other on the sidewalk, mothers holding babies and/or pushing strollers standing on the double yellow lines, in traffic, with the crosswalk 10 feet away.. today a man was trying to ride his bike down the road but couldn't keep it in a straight line so both lanes of traffic behind him were backed up. Whether he was a drunk or not I couldn't tell ya but my bet would be crack. He was old too so that may be an excuse, but the younger gan'stas walk slowly into traffic and stare you down, almost daring you to hit them.
No man of any color in the ghetto wears well fitting trousers. "Baggy" doesn't describe it when the waist of the sweatpants (gettin' colder so now instead of jeans or shiny track pants, it's soiled sweatpants) is at mid-thigh. Boxer shorts still seem to be in fashion despite the weather. It's complete idiocy masquerading in what has been sold to the masses as masculinity.
Not for the feminine looking ghetto men though. There are only 2 or 3 that I've seen, no charades of masculinity whatsoever. No baggies either, they wear the skinny ankle jeans and studded belts.
Regularly I see two white guys with afro'ed hair (as best they could I suppose.. sorta "Halfro" I guess) pulled up into tight pony tails walking down the sidewalks during end of school day release. They're actually pretty comical (one looks like Carrot Top) so it ain't them that worries me about being around the kids as they walk home to their apartments after school... it's the 2 or 3 pit bulls that bother me. I still wonder who they're out to impress at an elementary school and why they choose that time of day to walk their little puppies.
As I said somewhere before on the BBS, the sane people I see in numbers in the ghetto are hispanic/latino/south american/mexican women. They're almost always at the bus stops, almost always in some sort of uniform. They don't look like addicts, they don't seem to have any aggressive attitude at all -- which definitely cannot be said for the black and white women I see walking around (or sometimes shuffling out of the bushes).
To date I have not seen any persons of Asian (any kind) people, male or female in the ghetto. Surprising is it not, in this land of whites oppressing all other people?
One of my main clients has an office near the Men's Shelter downtown. I pass by there a few times a week and it's even more interesting (and sad) than the ghetto.
At any rate, I'm getting out ASAP.
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Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publicly puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.
I doubt you know where she lives. I wonder if you even know the state she lives in.
I follow her rather closely and converse with her on Facebook in public and PM and even -I- cant keep track of what state she's in. GA on minute, TX, NH, etc. the next.
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Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publically puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.
I doubt you know where she lives. I wonder if you even know the state she lives in.
I meant her business operations, according to The LCL Report one of her agorist secrets was working from the ghetto using the police avoidance as a security measure. I don't know the woman, I just hate player haters. Bust my balls on that instead of what I know about who. Do you think people should scream racist at everyone who makes a verbal snafu or not?
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"Verbal snafus" are different than being consistently collectivist. Moreover, the issue is not just with her using the word "nigger" repeatedly (which is very distasteful in public and polite conversation), it is with her constant insulting of many peoples, as well as her constant instigation and threats to people that oppose her reprehensible behaviors. Her use of the word "nigger" is just one of many faults. The way she lives and the mistakes she has made and continues to make do not make for a trustworthy person who myself and others feel are safe to do business with or be around.
Also I don't understand why some folks keep saying that anyone is kicking her while she is down. I personally have distrusted her for a long while now just based on the posts I saw on the old Facebook pages (around 2009), and the way she carried herself online through her business. I have high expectations for people who are making food and trying to get me to buy it. I had put those doubts aside though because Ian had endorsed her and her food so much and I was looking forward to trying her food at PorcFest 2010. Then her husband yelled at my friend the first day we went to get breakfast because she had her dog with her (at a dog-friendly camping event!) and subsequent conversations and interactions with them were very aggressive and not friendly in any way. Then during all that many of her personal issues came to light and it made me realize that this is not someone who I think represents non-aggression and personal responsibility, which I believe are strong values that most of this community also support.
What I want to know is why you people support her. Why do you call yourself friends of hers? I have seen no good behavior or actions from her other than starting a business outside the government's regulations. I know a few people who do that, who are good people. I also know people who live in the South, and I currently reside in the South as well and most people I've come across are not like she is. Basically what I want to know is why does she get special treatment?
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I meant her business operations, according to The LCL Report one of her agorist secrets was working from the ghetto using the police avoidance as a security measure. I don't know the woman, I just hate player haters. Bust my balls on that instead of what I know about who. Do you think people should scream racist at everyone who makes a verbal snafu or not?
How is working in a bad neighborhood that police avoid an "agorist secret"? Also what is a "player hater" in this context? My understanding is a "player hater" is someone who disapproves of a guy who sleeps with multiple women subsequently. That is not at all the situation here.
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"Agorism" is fashionable. A lot of self-proclaimed anarchists are serious wannabees, and "The Agora" is trendy right now. Like big hair in the 80's.
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I meant her business operations, according to The LCL Report one of her agorist secrets was working from the ghetto using the police avoidance as a security measure. I don't know the woman, I just hate player haters. Bust my balls on that instead of what I know about who. Do you think people should scream racist at everyone who makes a verbal snafu or not?
How is working in a bad neighborhood that police avoid an "agorist secret"? Also what is a "player hater" in this context? My understanding is a "player hater" is someone who disapproves of a guy who sleeps with multiple women subsequently. That is not at all the situation here.
Operating out of a place where bureaucrats are afraid to go is one way to avoid state regulatory enforcement personnel.
Player haters are people who go out of there way to make life miserable for, or bust on, popular people they don't like. I have never heard of your definition before, but it does sound right, I bust on people like Sir Real myself. :?*
* I addressed your other questions earlier in this thread or they were covered by Quickmike and Hellbilly in better ways then I could possibly write myself.
"Agorism" is fashionable. A lot of self-proclaimed anarchists are serious wannabees, and "The Agora" is trendy right now. Like big hair in the 80's.
And some minarchist want a "agorist" back up economy with talented players hidden in the background to protect human progress when this phony economy collapses. What burns me up about all this infighting is if we are nothing more than a bunch of film makers and protesters we will starve to death along with everybody else when the shit hits the fan. Are not a bunch of those people behind Grafton Gulch unpopular and of questionable character also? Who cares, we need these builders and experimenters who are goal orientated.
I will chastise everybody badmouthing any member of the liberty movement, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BIGGER AND NASTIER FISH TO FRY!
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And some minarchist want a "agorist" back up economy with talented players hidden in the background to protect human progress when this phony economy collapses.
Somehow I think the majority of the self-proclaimed "agorists" are not all that competent, and sell under the table because they simply wouldn't be able to compete above-board, government or no government.
I will chastise everybody badmouthing any member of the liberty movement, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BIGGER AND NASTIER FISH TO FRY!
Here I am. Flame away.
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Flame you for what? Me and you are pretty much on the same page as far as I can tell. Maybe I should rephrase. I don't mind constructive criticism, but accusatory shit should stay private, until we win.
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Allow me to make things easier
FREEKEENE = FREAKS
FREAK-STATERS GO HOME
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I have higher standards for people who claim to be libertarian. They don't get a pass because they say freedom a lot.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8&feature=related[/youtube]
:lol: Nice try guys.
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http://www.facebook.com/freetalklive/posts/461319249071
the FTL fb page post by Ally talking about her stance on aggression.
It looks like she doesn’t understand that self defense is ok for those who abide by the NAP and that as activists we DONT seek permission from the state to do what we are doing. To a certain extent she is confusing the NAP with pacifism. This is understandable to someone new to the movement as it takes time to distinguish exactly what non-aggression is. But, her threats, derogatory language and insults are a clear indication that she is not willing to learn at this time. Catering to her behavior will only reinforce it. She looks down on us “peace pushers” as she calls us. It is clear that at this time she rejects the NAP.
The derogatory speech, the insults and the threats have been evident all along (prior to her daughter being taken). See here where in person and online I have witnessed aggressive and threatening behavior repeatedly. Her original racist comment was posted on September 22, before she was taken back down to SAV for jumping bail and before her daughter was taken by the state. http://blog.xaqfixx.com/?p=154
Even if you think her racist comments are okay at this time (due to stress), she doesn’t support the NAP and that removes her from this community that we are striving so hard to establish based on those principles.
Dissent should never lead to threats. How would you react if you or your spouse were threatened? Especially given the previous encounters I have had with this person.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BwiK7pjJI6ejNmQ0MmQzM2ItMWNkZC00M2ZhLWFiZjktYjA2ZDc2ZWQ0ZDdm&hl=en
My discussion with Ally. Her response to why Xaq wasn’t responding to her threatening message:
Specifically -
Momma Ally -“I am down to talk it out anytime but as of yet he hasn’t given me the opportunity. It took YOU posting on my wall for me to be able to defend myself against it. He won’t even answer my messages. I am always up for learning and productive relationships. Anytime he is ready to be real he obviously knows where to find me :)”
(Xaq at this point has blocked her because “her messages” was actually the threat I posted before.)
Me - “with such phrases as:
dirty dog piece of shit
snake bastard
"i will show you no mercy"
"remember all the shit you talk on here will have to be answered for in person some day"
no reasonable conversation can be expected by a response to a message like this. i prefer to keep my interaction with you public so as to keep this type of threatening language to a minimum.”
(to which she responded)
“Those comments were sooooo warranted....” which you can read the rest on that link.
At the very least, stop calling her an Agorist. The business might be counter economic but she is not a counter economist bc she has expressed her rejection of the NAP.
http://agorism.info/ Definitions
Agorism
the ideology which asserts that the Libertarian philosophical position occurs in the real world in practice as Counter-Economics.
Agorist
advocate or conscious practitioner of Counter-Economics, older terms include Left Libertarian and New Libertarian.
Counter-Economics
the study and/or practice of all peaceful human action which is forbidden by the State.
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If the person who started the thread (now gone) Had simply said, "I think Mama Ally is a bitch because...." I wouldn't have gotten involved. I believe people have the right to dislike people inside the movement and out.
The poster titled the thread "Mam Ally bla bla rasist bla bla." (I don't remember)
What brought my attention was the use of a demonising fighting word which I believe to be dangerous to her personally. I know damn well, as I have explained, that being stamped as a racist is like being stamped as a sex offender. You are guilty no matter what and it has with huge repercussions.
Confusion about the NAP goes both ways. Here on the BBS we got a couple of pacifists. http://bbs.freetalklive.com/rubber-room-for-trolls-not-safe-for-work/why-the-opposition-to-pacifism/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/rubber-room-for-trolls-not-safe-for-work/why-the-opposition-to-pacifism/)
Mama Ally kinda had the liberty movement take her in, without her asking first really. I don't imagine she has really bit in to the philosophy of the ideas. Has she ever claimed to?
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A poster on this thread named Mandylynn ended up on my "ignore" I immediately unignored it. I am not afraid of debate, and don't know how it happened. It wasn't me.
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Calling people niggers, as a group or as individuals, lowers my opinion of the person using the epithet. This, in combination with requesting a "call flood" on national radio toward a family member at a specific phone number and jumping bail raises serious concerns.
What brought my attention was the use of a demonising fighting word which I believe to be dangerous to her personally.
"Nigger" is commonly recognized as a fighting word, and when uttered in the wrong company, will certainly be "dangerous." It's laughable that someone would accuse a responder who calls that racist of himself issuing fighting words.
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What's a better replacement term?
I'm asking this sincerely.
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What's a better replacement term?
I'm asking this sincerely.
moon cricket? :roll:
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What's a better replacement term?
I'm asking this sincerely.
What is the definition of the term you would like a replacement for?
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I have higher standards for people who claim to be libertarian. They don't get a pass because they say freedom a lot.
*chime*
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What's a better replacement term?
I'm asking this sincerely.
What is the definition of the term you would like a replacement for?
It's quite a broad definition really, and one which seems to remain in a certain state of flux as far as acceptability or inappropriateness is concerned. But lets be honest. Assuming all present are rational adults with no emotional attachment to this argument whatsoever, I can justifiably narrow the focus of your requested definition down to a singular phrase: "Yo Mama".
Interesting for you to note blackie.. I've realized that I am not a "realist", but a "rationalist" instead on this topic of race.
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Lets take the race card out of the deck. Can I use descriptions of groups of people without being called a racist. How about I actually hurt someone before I am called a criminal? Who hurts people the most the racist who does nothing against those who they are racist against except use impolite words or the self- righteous person who tries to make the accused "racist's" life difficult.
The witch burners burned many heretics. Was this right?
I want to take the whole racist argument out of the running anyway. If this whole thing is just about the snafu with the dogs, then I have been arguing wrong. Mama Ally isn't a racist by any practical sense of the word. And until someone who doesn't have a ax to grind brings me a pitcher of Mama Ally actually hurting someone from a minority race I shall continue to say so.
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You're just wrong if you think running around calling people niggers isn't racist. She also called for a "call flood" on national radio and jumped bail. I don't see what's so hard to understand.
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Have a simmer, whilst I spin a yarn for you.
Suppose you have a husband who you think is the greatest in all the land. I happen to agree with you that, yes, this indeed a fine specimen of gentlemanhood.
Suppose further that I happen to see your husband out one night carousing with other men - twisting their nipples and slapping asses - in an elementary school parking lot. Nothing horrible, not hurting anyone, of course. But I decide to tell you about it. You say 'whatever' and forget about it.
Suppose that a couple weeks later, I see him out again flashing his genitals at old ladies with grandchildren. No NAP violation certainly, but it still makes me ill at ease. So now I decide to inform you of this episode. This time he overhears me tell you about it. Instead of reflecting upon his uncouth behavior, he goes all crazy, what-with calling my house, posting notices, calling names, making ambiguous threats regarding his boys at his dogfighting club.
So what do you do? Well you call me the instigator, of course. I am the one who escalated this situation by reporting facts. None of this would have ever happened if I hadn't opened my mouth. You would have never had to know any of this unpleasantness. You would never have to listen to an upset husband.
After having a long night of spooning, you convince him to make a public, what you call, 'apology'. It goes something like, "I apologize to any person or extraterrestrial I may have ever hurt in this or any former life because I had no idea." Well, clearly I don't accept this non-apology and in return request publicly that he stay physically away from me, since his aggressive outbursts are seemingly unpredictable and dangerous to my person.
Then how do you respond? Oh, that I am the one who will not let this go. I am the one who will not forgive. I am the one is being ridiculous. I am "bullying" your husband by asking him to stay physically away from me.
Done.
So, in conclusion:
1) quoting someone word-for-word, even screen-shotting, is "bullying"
2) restating facts with extreme spin so as to eliminate all relevance is "unbiased"
3) passive aggression is "apology"
Oh and one other thing. "Niggers are stupid because they used to be slaves" gets a pass, while Jeebus in heaven fucking save us now if someone dares claim "Hispanics are more likely, on average, to have big rims on their cars"?
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Referring to people as n*****s qualifies one to be labeled as a racist,
nigga, please...
you obviously missed the tutorial
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Would I avoid a small group of young black men dodgingly walking down the street? Fuck an a right I would., but some peckerhead might call me a racist if I was seen crossing the street to avoid what looked like a gang.
jesse jackson admitted the same in an interview (ie: being nervous about blacks on the street)
perfectly reasonable response
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Have a simmer, whilst I spin a yarn for you.
Suppose you have a husband who you think is the greatest in all the land. I happen to agree with you that, yes, this indeed a fine specimen of gentlemanhood.
Suppose further that I happen to see your husband out one night carousing with other men - twisting their nipples and slapping asses - in an elementary school parking lot. Nothing horrible, not hurting anyone, of course. But I decide to tell you about it. You say 'whatever' and forget about it.
Suppose that a couple weeks later, I see him out again flashing his genitals at old ladies with grandchildren. No NAP violation certainly, but it still makes me ill at ease. So now I decide to inform you of this episode. This time he overhears me tell you about it. Instead of reflecting upon his uncouth behavior, he goes all crazy, what-with calling my house, posting notices, calling names, making ambiguous threats regarding his boys at his dogfighting club.
So what do you do? Well you call me the instigator, of course. I am the one who escalated this situation by reporting facts. None of this would have ever happened if I hadn't opened my mouth. You would have never had to know any of this unpleasantness. You would never have to listen to an upset husband.
After having a long night of spooning, you convince him to make a public, what you call, 'apology'. It goes something like, "I apologize to any person or extraterrestrial I may have ever hurt in this or any former life because I had no idea." Well, clearly I don't accept this non-apology and in return request publicly that he stay physically away from me, since his aggressive outbursts are seemingly unpredictable and dangerous to my person.
Then how do you respond? Oh, that I am the one who will not let this go. I am the one who will not forgive. I am the one is being ridiculous. I am "bullying" your husband by asking him to stay physically away from me.
Done.
So, in conclusion:
1) quoting someone word-for-word, even screen-shotting, is "bullying"
2) restating facts with extreme spin so as to eliminate all relevance is "unbiased"
3) passive aggression is "apology"
Oh and one other thing. "Niggers are stupid because they used to be slaves" gets a pass, while Jeebus in heaven fucking save us now if someone dares claim "Hispanics are more likely, on average, to have big rims on their cars"?
Has my husband been under tons of stress during both incidents and under intense pressure from the state up to and including the taking of his children as this story is being told? If He was a good guy before, I think I would let stuff slide, yeah.
I say stupid shit under duress.
If I heard only the Dog incident, and that first, I might be more judgemental of Mama Ally. As it is, the party Mama Ally may have insulted pushed this "racist" accusation first, which started at a point where I wouldn't use sound mind judgemental standards on Mama Ally. It was the open assault on her character, instead of saying the bad things that happened at Porcfest, that made me choose the side I did.
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Good argument! Makes sense to me too Alaric.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ[/youtube]
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What's a better replacement term?
I'm asking this sincerely.
What is the definition of the term you would like a replacement for?
It's quite a broad definition really, and one which seems to remain in a certain state of flux as far as acceptability or inappropriateness is concerned. But lets be honest. Assuming all present are rational adults with no emotional attachment to this argument whatsoever, I can justifiably narrow the focus of your requested definition down to a singular phrase: "Yo Mama".
Interesting for you to note blackie.. I've realized that I am not a "realist", but a "rationalist" instead on this topic of race.
When I use the word "nigger" it is typically used the same way you would use "dude". Probably because I listen to a lot of rap.
I noticed that mama ally calls herself a realist.
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Have a simmer, whilst I spin a yarn for you.
Suppose you have a husband who you think is the greatest in all the land. I happen to agree with you that, yes, this indeed a fine specimen of gentlemanhood.
Suppose further that I happen to see your husband out one night carousing with other men - twisting their nipples and slapping asses - in an elementary school parking lot. Nothing horrible, not hurting anyone, of course. But I decide to tell you about it. You say 'whatever' and forget about it.
Suppose that a couple weeks later, I see him out again flashing his genitals at old ladies with grandchildren. No NAP violation certainly, but it still makes me ill at ease. So now I decide to inform you of this episode. This time he overhears me tell you about it. Instead of reflecting upon his uncouth behavior, he goes all crazy, what-with calling my house, posting notices, calling names, making ambiguous threats regarding his boys at his dogfighting club.
So what do you do? Well you call me the instigator, of course. I am the one who escalated this situation by reporting facts. None of this would have ever happened if I hadn't opened my mouth. You would have never had to know any of this unpleasantness. You would never have to listen to an upset husband.
After having a long night of spooning, you convince him to make a public, what you call, 'apology'. It goes something like, "I apologize to any person or extraterrestrial I may have ever hurt in this or any former life because I had no idea." Well, clearly I don't accept this non-apology and in return request publicly that he stay physically away from me, since his aggressive outbursts are seemingly unpredictable and dangerous to my person.
Then how do you respond? Oh, that I am the one who will not let this go. I am the one who will not forgive. I am the one is being ridiculous. I am "bullying" your husband by asking him to stay physically away from me.
Done.
So, in conclusion:
1) quoting someone word-for-word, even screen-shotting, is "bullying"
2) restating facts with extreme spin so as to eliminate all relevance is "unbiased"
3) passive aggression is "apology"
Oh and one other thing. "Niggers are stupid because they used to be slaves" gets a pass, while Jeebus in heaven fucking save us now if someone dares claim "Hispanics are more likely, on average, to have big rims on their cars"?
Has my husband been under tons of stress during both incidents and under intense pressure from the state up to and including the taking of his children as this story is being told? If He was a good guy before, I think I would let stuff slide, yeah.
I say stupid shit under duress.
If I heard only the Dog incident, and that first, I might be more judgemental of Mama Ally. As it is, the party Mama Ally may have insulted pushed this "racist" accusation first, which started at a point where I wouldn't use sound mind judgemental standards on Mama Ally. It was the open assault on her character, instead of saying the bad things that happened at Porcfest, that made me choose the side I did.
Eh, lemme just do my little part to shut down this "they waiting until she was IN JAIL meme"
That is not the case. This started at PorcFest. I was there. They attempted to pull me away from my important duties to speak about this drama.
Maybe I should have, but whatever, I didnt. I heard then of the conflict. I heard of it just after PorcFest. It was a big deal then, too.
THEN I heard about the 'racist' screen cap, when THAT happened. There was no strategic holding back of information.
When it happened, it most certainly was brought to my attention.
So, NO, the events were reported as they happened. I'm sorry if you learned about the 'racist' posts first, but you just jumped in the middle, is all.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ[/youtube]
Yup. That's why I don't stutter when I refer to it, and they can kiss my ass if they don't like hearing the word itself. I'm of the Lenny Bruce crowd in that regard.
However, the audacity of deliberately using the fighting word in its classic negative connotation, then repeating it in defense of using it in the first place is too much to excuse, particularly in context of all the other things. This is not to prejudge the dog situation, or other hearsay matters.
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When I use the word "nigger" it is typically used the same way you would use "dude". Probably because I listen to a lot of rap.
ehhh.......you're not sposed to add the ''er'', like you were a good ol' boy from mississippee
we ( my rap-star frenz included), use the more friendly ''NIGG-A''
niggaz
nigs
niggah
you get it
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_4GYlhqm3s[/youtube]
It's all a reality show mashup. A Hells Kitchen meets Jersey Shore and hosted by Jerry Springer thang, ain't it?
(shakes head. chuckles. turns on Glen Beck.)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_4GYlhqm3s[/youtube]
It's all a reality show mashup. A Hells Kitchen meets Jersey Shore and hosted by Jerry Springer thang, ain't it?
(shakes head. chuckles. turns on Glen Beck.)
That was awesome! You're so creative- hope you get paid for your talents!
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Holy crap that was awesome
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Truly amazing good sir! I also like that you pointed out the flier'ing inconsistency lol.
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so....not to rewind this whole fucking trauma-town affair...
this all started cuz some ''dog-person'' (we all know them...they have to take precious EVERY-FUCKING-WHERE they go.....''they're my children'')
someone serving food to the public doesn't dig on ball-licking, shit/piss in front of your food tent, so everyone can wade thru it?
is this the crux of it?
i understand foul language may have been used, but if this is dog-douches crusade, i'd take another look.
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Both Parties had dogs.
This is about liberty people who wish to have high standards for the people who would help them towards their goals vs. nonjudgmental big tent liberty lovers who want peaceful acceptance of free thought and speech.
You know, ostracism towards bad behaviour vs. positive reinforcement persuasion.
Smart and elite vs practical and open.
At least the people defending one or the other. Neither party of the actual players has exactly been saint like.
That cartoon sums it up nicely, although slightly skewed against Mama Ally. It neglected to mention Mama's leagal trouble, which she got because she tried her hand at being the next Sam-I-Am, and that everything came to light after her arrest. I thought the wolf in sheep's clothing simile was a little unfair when the arrest is factored in.
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When I use the word "nigger" it is typically used the same way you would use "dude". Probably because I listen to a lot of rap.
ehhh.......you're not sposed to add the ''er'', like you were a good ol' boy from mississippee
we ( my rap-star frenz included), use the more friendly ''NIGG-A''
niggaz
nigs
niggah
you get it
Nigger please. I use proper English.
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When I use the word "nigger" it is typically used the same way you would use "dude". Probably because I listen to a lot of rap.
ehhh.......you're not sposed to add the ''er'', like you were a good ol' boy from mississippee
we ( my rap-star frenz included), use the more friendly ''NIGG-A''
niggaz
nigs
niggah
you get it
Nigger please. I use proper English.
Proper english would be "Nigger, please."
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Yup. That's why I don't stutter when I refer to it, and they can kiss my ass if they don't like hearing the word itself.
woah, woah, woah
stop the fucking presses!!!!!!
do my eyes deceive me?
this CAN'T be the same ken that spearheaded the great, drawn-out racial shit-storm wars of '09-10, right here on this bbs can it?
ken admits to using the word ''nigger/nigga''?
is this some sort of superman's bizarro-world thing going on here?
or pod-people of southern extraction have taken over ken??????
this is one of the great revelations of 2011..........................
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When I use the word "nigger" it is typically used the same way you would use "dude". Probably because I listen to a lot of rap.
ehhh.......you're not sposed to add the ''er'', like you were a good ol' boy from mississippee
we ( my rap-star frenz included), use the more friendly ''NIGG-A''
niggaz
nigs
niggah
you get it
Nigger please. I use proper English.
Proper english woudl be "Nigger, please."
see, the brutha gets down on your ''proper english'' bullshit.
that ''ER'' at the end is a throw down, holmes. might as well be wearin' a white hood when you say it. dig?
i heard some niggas, somewheres, say it so
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this topic of race.
How many races are there?
The amount that most individuals segregate themselves into. That self-segregation sort of trumps the science that there is no such things as race (if that's what you were gettin' at, dunno if you were).
Being a stay at home dad, I watch a few PBS shows often. Thomas the train & Curious George are pretty good actually. Most of the others go out of their way to include representatives of the "major" races..
This stuff has been swimming around in my head for awhile now & I guess this is a good as place as any to post it..
Sid the Science Kid:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eYEUW7DxeM8/SLy8zcsU50I/AAAAAAAACEA/45QqIxM0PvM/s400/Sid+Group.png)
Sid seems to be Latino but I think his Mom is black. He rates a 0 on the "typical" Latino scale though, so they're pretty much representing white culture but in a Latino wrapper.
The pink kid represents the whites, as does the redhead. The Asian character is kind of stereotypical, being quiet and shy.
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Calliou:
(http://www.caillou.com/fanclub/images/CA_FanClub_caillou01.jpg)
Calliou, who seems to be Canadian and rates a perfect 10 on the whiteness scale (mostly because he seems to be very timid and helpless) has a best pal in the neighborhood, a black girl. Makes perfect sense and all right? The black girl rates a 2 on the blackness scale, and that's just thanks to her hairstyle. Otherwise she seems like another representative for whitey, but she comes in a black wrapper.
Don't recall seeing the Asian girl on there.. or maybe that's a representation of a Thai Lady-Boy, another category of culture that is sorely lacking in children's television programming. Hat tip to the Bowie reference in the cat though.
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The Cat in the Hat:
(http://blstb.msn.com/i/B4/48DB8A96C5288AA94733129BC21D5.jpg)
Did Suess ever feature black people in his books? PBS says that it's about time the black race was fairly represented! So they introduced a black kid who scores a 1 on the blackness scale, for his puffy hair. He seems to be a "high-yella" black, so maybe that's why he seems to be yet another representative of white culture wrapped in a black wrapper.
Interesting to note that the vehicle in which the children ride along with the Cat is called the "Thingamajigger". That's a close call and I'm sure it causes more folks than just me a little discomfort whenever I hear that word. I'm not sure if it's a new code-word for mulatto or not, but I find it a bit risque.
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SuperWhy:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qvDe2Tog0d0/TPMznWqTC3I/AAAAAAAAAsU/nZFjQNuNZHI/s1600/super-why.jpg)
Obviously it's the pig that represents the white male in this show. From left to right, the color palette deepens until we reach that fine ebony princess on the end, cause we all know the stories about ebony princesses. Not sure why there are no African fairly tales to draw reference from. It would seem that if a representative from each race was required, the least they could do would be to give that representative some significant historical or cultural reference for that character to draw from, for the sake of "diversity" - which is what this representation is all about isn't it?
Unless the goal is to actually eliminate diversity altogether, eh?
As the hue deepens, the whiteness score increases for these characters.. they too seem to encompass white culture wrapped up in a diverse spectrum of fleshtones.
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Between the Lions:
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Even though these are puppets, it's clear that the mother figure in this one is an educated hardcore liberal.. and black. Check out those African bracelets and stuff. In fact I think the whole family scores an 8 on the blackness scale! Unfortunately this representation of a somewhat authentic black culture is diluted by the fact that these are puppets of animals. Why, PBS, is it so hard to represent black culture with black humanoid animated characters?
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Clifford:
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aSG_frI_ZNU/0.jpg)
Everybody knows what's on everyone's minds when they watch Clifford the Big Red Dog.. they're wondering how big Clifford's Big Red Rocket is!
If the size of this Afro-centric character's dreadlocks is any indication of his African-sized genitals, then our little white character is safe from harm for a few more years yet.
The black kid and T-Bone the dog score about a 5 on the blackness scale. T-Bone seems to be more black, and he's awesome.
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Martha Speaks:
(http://www.gpb.org/files/national/martha_speaks_main.jpg)
One of the things in that photo is not like the others.. and it ain't Martha the Talking Dog!
Some people claim that these children were adopted. I don't think so. Ethnic kids are what you get when you want to feel good about saving a child, and these kids are totally white.
Is this the housekeeper taking a break from her chores & hanging out with her masters on the couch? I don't think so. I think it's a ploy by PBS to dilute what remains of the black culture by inserting this poor woman into a household that definitely must seem foreign to her. Word of the day: REPARATIONS!
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Wordgirl:
(http://www.puppetkaos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/wordgirl.jpg)
Can it really be any more obvious?
Having an obvious Latina as the main character is certainly progressive. Having a monkey as a sidekick sets us back 20 years, at least, in the fight for fairness in the representation of black people.
Neither character scores very high on the scale of blackness, no matter how funky that monkey dances.
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Aurthur:
(http://www.thereporteronline.com/content/articles/2009/02/03/life/doc4988429a7ad35453550692.jpg)
Chasing the White Rabbit? Why is the white rabbit in the middle of this picture? Especially considering this is AURTHUR's show, why is the white character prominently featured as the central character? Could it be that this is finally PBS' way of throwing white people a scrap here?
No characters come close to scoring at all on the blackness scale here. Maybe Winky because he is sometimes a crass bully, but we won't "go there". Just more white culture wrapped up in the guise of diversity.
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Cyberchase:
(http://www.cmhouston.org/images/cyber/kids.jpg)
What's that... red-haired white male?! ARE YOU SURE WE AREN'T WATCHING FOX?!!
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My favorite...
The Electric Company:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaDTKEHrZZA[/youtube]
This white boy, in flannel no less, seems only able to communicate in little "clicks", "clacks", and "bleeps". Therefore he scores at the top of the blackness scale because of his ability to continue the traditional speaking patterns of many of our African ancestry. Finally, something truly African, so true to it in fact that I'm able to overlook the fact that he is melanin deficient and give him full credit for keeping it real. This piece is truly a bomb that is not on any hooks, and similarly, devoid of any chains.
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In closing, if there is no such thing as "race", we are doing a poor job of getting this message to our children.
And, if there is in fact such a thing as "race" currently.. then with this programming, there certainly won't be for long!
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i don't remember any white folk on the fat albert cartoon
prolly jus tha poli man
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Three. Mongoloid, Negroid and Caucasoid. That is what I was taught in public school.
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Aurthur:
(http://www.thereporteronline.com/content/articles/2009/02/03/life/doc4988429a7ad35453550692.jpg)
Chasing the White Rabbit? Why is the white rabbit in the middle of this picture? Especially considering this is AURTHUR's show, why is the white character prominently featured as the central character? Could it be that this is finally PBS' way of throwing white people a scrap here?
They even gave Buster his own show! Postcards from Buster. White Power! I learned about Jews not mixing milk and meat from that show. They visited some super Jews in NYC, and they had separate sinks for milk and meat.
Francine is the token Jew on Aurthur. I'm not sure if anyone else has a religion. I think she is specifically of Polish-Jewish decent. She probably wouldn't qualify as a Jew to the Conservative/Orthodox Jews.
No characters come close to scoring at all on the blackness scale here. Maybe Winky because he is sometimes a crass bully, but we won't "go there". Just more white culture wrapped up in the guise of diversity.
You mean Binky Barnes.
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Yup. That's why I don't stutter when I refer to it, and they can kiss my ass if they don't like hearing the word itself.
woah, woah, woah
stop the fucking presses!!!!!!
do my eyes deceive me?
this CAN'T be the same ken that spearheaded the great, drawn-out racial shit-storm wars of '09-10, right here on this bbs can it?
ken admits to using the word ''nigger/nigga''?
is this some sort of superman's bizarro-world thing going on here?
or pod-people of southern extraction have taken over ken??????
this is one of the great revelations of 2011..........................
I freely and unabashedly use the word "nigger" as a reference to people calling people niggers. Calling people niggers is despicable. I don't say "n-word." I'm still not stuttering.
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sorry ken
i gathered from the roustabout we all had back then, that you'd even have trouble typing it
my take is all
mi dispiace (italian....spelling might be off)
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White Power!
:)
You mean Binky Barnes.
You know your shit dude.
I think it was an Aurthur show where I saw a kid go visit his dad in prison. It wasn't a carton, these were real people on a real visit to a real prison to see someone's real dad who really was locked up.
At first I thought that was sinking to a new low. After thinking about it though, it's really a great thing. It's the one instance I can name where black people were represented in a true way. Sounds like I'm being a dick, but I'm not. How many black kids must there be out there who's parents are in the hoosegow? If black culture were represented in a more realistic way such as that visit to prison, then people may be able to deal with the topic of race in a more realistic way... as opposed to what's predominantly done now, which is to have a black cartoon character who's blackness ends in it's coloring.