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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2010, 08:51:39 PM »

Those statistics are only relevant if they differentiate the black and white population

Gender breakdown, at the least, is irrelevant.

Age is probably only minimally relevant.

The education/experience criteria is at least partly subsumed by the criminal background criteria.

Which makes criminal background the only relevant point of difference.

And I don't know what the true statistics are there, I've heard a third, but half seems high.



Dunno.. his rough numbers sound pretty good to me.

Gender- more men than women run for office
Age- average age of a senator is 60
Education/experience- agreed, but it's relevant


I don't care too much if these numbers are correct (but I do think they are), what matters to me is the borderline worshiping of black people simply because they're black. Doesn't make any sense to me... especially given that most white folks who carry the torch for blacks don't even live near them or associate with many as close friends.

Take NPR for example.. honestly, every time I tune in there is something related to "African-American" drama, yet the staff of NPR has very, very few black members. Same with FTL actually.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2010, 04:56:52 PM »

Thread seems to be dead now. I would like to make my last point. I don't believe most people are the harmful sort of racist. And almost everybody is the type that tends to generalize. Generalizing is a means of survival in many cultures. I don't collectivise because of race, but that took 40 years of experience teaching me that race has nothing to do with how people may be. Would I avoid a small group of young black men dodgingly walking down the street? Fuck an a right I would. I would avoid a group of young people walking dodgingly down the street no matter what fucking race or gender they were, but some peckerhead might call me a racist if I was seen crossing the street to avoid what looked like a gang.
Some peckerhead probably read that last sentence and said to themselves "See he equated black youth with gangs!"
You judgemental types are much more dangerous then any one who lets slip a minor racial slur. I once had to fight a black man because he heard I was a racist. Some peckerhead misconstrued something I said, lied and forced a black man to feel he had to defend himself. After we beat the hell out of each other (we were both in good shape he was a better street fighter but I had 40 pounds on him so it was a fairly even match) he saw how hurt I looked when he explained why we were fighting and he understood I had nothing against his race. I was just a regular asshole not a racist one. He would be a pretty busy guy if he beat up every plain old asshole around.
Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publically puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2010, 07:04:58 PM »

I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.



You ever try kicking someone thats standing up? Its not that easy.  :P
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2010, 07:10:32 PM »

Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publically puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.

I doubt you know where she lives.  I wonder if you even know the state she lives in.
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2010, 08:54:16 PM »

People who don't live in "majority-minority" areas really should just stick to repeating what they've been told about minority folks. Easier that way -- no one on either side of the argument are likely to change the others opinion. So for those people.. keep the mantras simple:

Repeat to yourself daily..
1. African-Americans as a group need your (read: White People's) assistance.
2. Never collectivize African-Americans as a group. They are all shining diamonds that the white man stole from Africa. ..but they all need help.
3. You are a White Devil, guilty from birth.

These mantras are especially effective when repeated by white men as they watch interracial gang-bang porn featuring African-American men with 18 inch penises defiling white women in unthinkable ways.

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No point in arguing.. one side will continue living the experience and the other can keep fantasizing about how cool it must be.

As for me, I just returned a little while ago from a holiday school singing event at my son's public school. White kids make up less than 1/4 of the whole student body. I know some of the kids in his class and their parents, asian (all kinds), white, "Latino", black, American Indians, Muslims, Christians and all that too.. and various combinations. It's a cereal box photographer/PBS kid show's cast dream come true.

From speaking to the parents & kids I can say without a doubt that it isn't race alone that makes people shitheads. It isn't poverty either, to say so would be discrediting all the civilized parents who are doing fine jobs raising their kids in the ghetto.

The majority of ghetto people just seem to be plagued with laziness, entitlement mentality, herd mentality, "I gonna gets mines" / chip on the shoulder attitudes, trendy "gotta have them spinnin' rims!" fad following bullshit. Sucks to be one of the more responsible & intelligent black families stuck in the ghetto.. or so I am told.

While I don't have to live it, I see ghetto shit every day. Especially when I take my kid to school & pick him up... roads closed for shooting investigations (haven't witnessed one yet but I hear shots a few times a week), black guys staring down hispanic/latino/south american/mexican guys as they pass each other on the sidewalk, mothers holding babies and/or pushing strollers standing on the double yellow lines, in traffic, with the crosswalk 10 feet away.. today a man was trying to ride his bike down the road but couldn't keep it in a straight line so both lanes of traffic behind him were backed up. Whether he was a drunk or not I couldn't tell ya but my bet would be crack. He was old too so that may be an excuse, but the younger gan'stas walk slowly into traffic and stare you down, almost daring you to hit them.

No man of any color in the ghetto wears well fitting trousers. "Baggy" doesn't describe it when the waist of the sweatpants (gettin' colder so now instead of jeans or shiny track pants, it's soiled sweatpants) is at mid-thigh. Boxer shorts still seem to be in fashion despite the weather. It's complete idiocy masquerading in what has been sold to the masses as masculinity.

Not for the feminine looking ghetto men though. There are only 2 or 3 that I've seen, no charades of masculinity whatsoever. No baggies either, they wear the skinny ankle jeans and studded belts.

Regularly I see two white guys with afro'ed hair (as best they could I suppose.. sorta "Halfro" I guess) pulled up into tight pony tails walking down the sidewalks during end of school day release. They're actually pretty comical (one looks like Carrot Top) so it ain't them that worries me about being around the kids as they walk home to their apartments after school... it's the 2 or 3 pit bulls that bother me. I still wonder who they're out to impress at an elementary school and why they choose that time of day to walk their little puppies.

As I said somewhere before on the BBS, the sane people I see in numbers in the ghetto are hispanic/latino/south american/mexican women. They're almost always at the bus stops, almost always in some sort of uniform. They don't look like addicts, they don't seem to have any aggressive attitude at all -- which definitely cannot be said for the black and white women I see walking around (or sometimes shuffling out of the bushes).

To date I have not seen any persons of Asian (any kind) people, male or female in the ghetto. Surprising is it not, in this land of whites oppressing all other people?

One of my main clients has an office near the Men's Shelter downtown. I pass by there a few times a week and it's even more interesting (and sad) than the ghetto.

At any rate, I'm getting out ASAP.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2010, 11:00:43 PM »

Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publicly puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.

I doubt you know where she lives.  I wonder if you even know the state she lives in.

I follow her rather closely and converse with her on Facebook in public and PM and even -I- cant keep track of what state she's in. GA on minute, TX, NH, etc. the next.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2010, 03:14:32 AM »

Mama Ally lives in a minority neighborhood, calling her a racist publically puts her in danger. Judgmental slurs that put others in danger is the most evil sort of libel I can think of. I will also mention kicking people while they are down is something I have no respect for.

I doubt you know where she lives.  I wonder if you even know the state she lives in.

I meant her business operations, according to The LCL Report one of her agorist secrets was working from the ghetto using the police avoidance as a security measure. I don't know the woman, I just hate player haters. Bust my balls on that instead of what I know about who. Do you think people should scream racist at everyone who makes a verbal snafu or not?

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2010, 09:35:04 AM »

"Verbal snafus" are different than being consistently collectivist. Moreover, the issue is not just with her using the word "nigger" repeatedly (which is very distasteful in public and polite conversation), it is with her constant insulting of many peoples, as well as her constant instigation and threats to people that oppose her reprehensible behaviors. Her use of the word "nigger" is just one of many faults. The way she lives and the mistakes she has made and continues to make do not make for a trustworthy person who myself and others feel are safe to do business with or be around.

Also I don't understand why some folks keep saying that anyone is kicking her while she is down. I personally have distrusted her for a long while now just based on the posts I saw on the old Facebook pages (around 2009), and the way she carried herself online through her business. I have high expectations for people who are making food and trying to get me to buy it. I had put those doubts aside though because Ian had endorsed her and her food so much and I was looking forward to trying her food at PorcFest 2010. Then  her husband yelled at my friend the first day we went to get breakfast because she had her dog with her (at a dog-friendly camping event!) and subsequent conversations and interactions with them were very aggressive and not friendly in any way. Then during all that many of her personal issues came to light and it made me realize that this is not someone who I think represents non-aggression and personal responsibility, which I believe are strong values that most of this community also support.


What I want to know is why you people support her. Why do you call yourself friends of hers? I have seen no good behavior or actions from her other than starting a business outside the government's regulations. I know a few people who do that, who are good people. I also know people who live in the South, and I currently reside in the South as well and most people I've come across are not like she is. Basically what I want to know is why does she get special treatment?
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2010, 09:53:57 AM »


I meant her business operations, according to The LCL Report one of her agorist secrets was working from the ghetto using the police avoidance as a security measure. I don't know the woman, I just hate player haters. Bust my balls on that instead of what I know about who. Do you think people should scream racist at everyone who makes a verbal snafu or not?

How is working in a bad neighborhood that police avoid an "agorist secret"? Also what is a "player hater" in this context? My understanding is a "player hater" is someone who disapproves of a guy who sleeps with multiple women subsequently. That is not at all the situation here.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2010, 04:05:21 PM »

"Agorism" is fashionable. A lot of self-proclaimed anarchists are serious wannabees, and "The Agora" is trendy right now. Like big hair in the 80's.

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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2010, 05:03:44 PM »


I meant her business operations, according to The LCL Report one of her agorist secrets was working from the ghetto using the police avoidance as a security measure. I don't know the woman, I just hate player haters. Bust my balls on that instead of what I know about who. Do you think people should scream racist at everyone who makes a verbal snafu or not?

How is working in a bad neighborhood that police avoid an "agorist secret"? Also what is a "player hater" in this context? My understanding is a "player hater" is someone who disapproves of a guy who sleeps with multiple women subsequently. That is not at all the situation here.

Operating out of a place where bureaucrats are afraid to go is one way to avoid state regulatory enforcement personnel.
Player haters are people who go out of there way to make life miserable for, or bust on, popular people they don't like. I have never heard of your definition before, but it does sound right, I bust on people like Sir Real myself. :?*

* I addressed your other questions earlier in this thread or they were covered by Quickmike and Hellbilly in better ways then I could possibly write myself.

"Agorism" is fashionable. A lot of self-proclaimed anarchists are serious wannabees, and "The Agora" is trendy right now. Like big hair in the 80's.



And some minarchist want a "agorist" back up economy with talented players hidden in the background to protect human progress when this phony economy collapses. What burns me up about all this infighting is if we are nothing more than a bunch of film makers and protesters we will starve to death along with everybody else when the shit hits the fan. Are not a bunch of those people behind Grafton Gulch unpopular and of questionable character also? Who cares, we need these builders and experimenters who are goal orientated.
I will chastise everybody badmouthing any member of the liberty movement, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BIGGER AND NASTIER FISH TO FRY!

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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2010, 06:52:34 PM »

And some minarchist want a "agorist" back up economy with talented players hidden in the background to protect human progress when this phony economy collapses.
Somehow I think the majority of the self-proclaimed "agorists" are not all that competent, and sell under the table because they simply wouldn't be able to compete above-board, government or no government.

I will chastise everybody badmouthing any member of the liberty movement, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BIGGER AND NASTIER FISH TO FRY!
Here I am. Flame away.

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« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2010, 08:14:32 PM »

Flame you for what? Me and you are pretty much on the same page as far as I can tell. Maybe I should rephrase. I don't mind constructive criticism, but accusatory shit should stay private, until we win.

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« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2010, 09:10:45 PM »

Allow me to make things easier


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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2010, 02:50:14 AM »

I have higher standards for people who claim to be libertarian. They don't get a pass because they say freedom a lot.
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