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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2010, 04:15:31 PM »

so my options are be an enabler or be a hater. cant it just be a matter of supporting the principals of liberty even if it isnt a cop or politician?

or i guess i should shut my mouth and let her run people over and continue posting harassing comments about unrelated people to my friends wall's and pages asking for harassment without any supporting evidence of wrongdoing.

what do you tell your children about online bullying? i am very sorry her life is in shambles....whether it is from the state or her own doing. however, voicing dissent should never lead to threats.

i guess we will let people really decide if they want their biscuits made with love or hate. thats what the free market is about, informed decision making. she is a business that wants me, and my friends to support her. as such it is my responsibility to make sure people are informed. guess i am a doer too....
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2010, 04:31:50 PM »

Her battles with any state officials have nothing to do with the issues being voiced.

It is unfortunate that her life has problems, however it doesn't excuse racism, violence or aggression.

I have no idea who she is personally when you are close to her, and that is none of my concern if you chose to be one of those people, however I will continue to point out when people are being racist, violent, or aggressive in hopes that people will know that it is okay to disapprove of people who act in such ways, despite their popularity.

If you want to be her friend then be her friend, but if you want to support the ideas of freedom, liberty and peaceful interaction, don't try and claim that supporting a racist, violent, aggressive person is anything close to that.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2010, 05:13:50 PM »

You say racist, hellbilly says realist. Hellbilly is a realist.

I'm not sure if Mama Ally is a racist, but she is a douche bagger.

Thank ya blackie.

Sounds like TLB should have left their guard dogs at home. Pit bulls would fit this stereotype.. is that what they had at Porcfest?
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2010, 05:48:01 PM »

Yes, I will stick up for her. If we are friends, and I am hers, (we have corresponded a grand total of one day) she is not the friend I have had to let the most things slide for. From a political activist standpoint I support her as a talented agorist, not a politician, I simply want the dust to settle and her to move to NH and do what she is good at, and make sure she doesn't get to touch a fucking camera. (anyone sees her with a camera point to it like she is a toddler and say "No!") We don't need another Sam-I-Am, we need food.
I would appreciate it if people would understand Post Dramatic Stress a little better. To be honest (and I am a very passive person), if I am fucked with under hard stress, I am not nice and certainly not careful with my speech, people shouldn't take me so serious when I am in such a condition.
I find the actions of many Liberty lovers repugnant sometimes, but unless they are physically hurting someone right in front of me, they will always get the benefit of the doubt from me-
As do the critics of Mama Ally. I understand your anger and skepticism. Understand my point please, let the dust settle before we demonise someone who could be such a great asset to our goals.

You say racist, hellbilly says realist. Hellbilly is a realist.

I'm not sure if Mama Ally is a racist, but she is a douche bagger.

Thank ya blackie.

Sounds like TLB should have left their guard dogs at home. Pit bulls would fit this stereotype.. is that what they had at Porcfest?

Dogs are hard to find sitters for, especially aggressive ones, but you are probably right.

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2010, 06:00:41 PM »

A friend of mine commented on a old Chevy commercial we watched on youtube at work saying "boy what a Nigger killer of a bumper that thing has."
A lot of guys in the lunchroom probably thought he was a racist. Just one minor problem: His beautiful wife is black.

Sorry, son, that is racist. You are wrong. Just because a racist married a beautiful black woman does not exempt him from being racist towards blacks.

For instance, I have been with a Chinese woman for 13 years but I am racist towards Chinese people in general. So is she. Have to admit, they are some unobservant to the world around them fucks. That is for sure.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2010, 09:33:39 PM »

I dont see the big deal with racism myself. Sure, its not a quality that I would consider a PLUS, thats for sure, but I can understand where it comes from. As long as someones racism isnt acted upon through force or harm to the person, its just an opinion about a particular race.

My grandmother is a good example of this. She doesn't like black people one bit. Is it because shes evil? No, its cuz shes old as fuck and thats how people were when she was growing up. She says things like "well, you can take the nigger out of the ghetto, but you cant take the ghetto out of the nigger" when she sees something about Obama or Tiger Woods on tv. I just kinda look at her and shake my head and let it go because I know that if a black person was lying bleeding on her doorstep, she would call an ambulance and try and help them when it came right down to it. I'm not saying its a good way to be, she just grew up thinking that way about blacks. It doesn't make someone evil just because they take a particular view on someone based on their race. Maybe a little ignorant, but surely not evil.


Ask yourself this.......

Would you rather associate with a person that just happens to dislike a particular race, yet does nothing harmful to people of that race and just chooses not to associate with those  people, or would you rather associate with someone who claims to not be a racist, yet likes the idea of taking your money (taxes) away from you to give it to someone else and using the force of law to prevent you from doing something that isnt harming anyone(drugs, porn, etc)?

I'll hang out with the racist any day because its just a personal opinion they hold that does no harm to anyone. Seems to me that people who go out of their way to make a huge deal out of racism are people that are trying to show how "fair" they are, as if to say "HAH!! Look at me........ I'm up here........ you're down there"

At one time in the past, I really disliked middle eastern people because they're always trying to screw you in business exchanges. I still believe this, but I understand its not their race that is the cause of this. It is the environment they grew up in. Nowadays I tend to give the individual a fair shake without making a judgement on them before I know them. Did that make me EVIL.......... fuck no it didnt. I just lumped all people of that race together, which might not have been the most fair thing to do, but there are many things I can think of that are far worse than being a racist.
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Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2010, 10:06:40 PM »

Seems to me that people who go out of their way to make a huge deal out of racism are people that are trying to show how "fair" they are, as if to say "HAH!! Look at me........ I'm up here........ you're down there"

How about the third option that statements like that make me really, really uncomfortable.  Like, were having a nice dinner in a nice restaurant and suddenly you stand up and take a shit in the middle of the table uncomfortable.

We were having a nice conversation, a couple of drinks, talking about the woes of the world, just having a good time.  I really want to finish my perfectly-cooked steak, but it's really tough now with your shiny turd staring at me.  I don't want it to be a "thing" and ruin a perfectly good evening, but ... you shit on the table.  How can I ignore that?
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 10:20:13 PM »

Seems to me that people who go out of their way to make a huge deal out of racism are people that are trying to show how "fair" they are, as if to say "HAH!! Look at me........ I'm up here........ you're down there"

How about the third option that statements like that make me really, really uncomfortable.  Like, were having a nice dinner in a nice restaurant and suddenly you stand up and take a shit in the middle of the table uncomfortable.

We were having a nice conversation, a couple of drinks, talking about the woes of the world, just having a good time.  I really want to finish my perfectly-cooked steak, but it's really tough now with your shiny turd staring at me.  I don't want it to be a "thing" and ruin a perfectly good evening, but ... you shit on the table.  How can I ignore that?


Yet would you react the same way if someone at the dinner table said "yeah, I think taxes are a good thing." Most likely you would just let shit slide and go about eating your dinner and moving on to the next subject, or maybe even debating them and showing them that they are wrong.  I'm not defending racism at all. Im just saying thats just how some people are and if you can work on changing their minds through debate, thats the best way to handle it. Just seems people over-react to racist statements. I know racism isnt a good thing, but its amazing to me how some people equate it with something like cutting a babies head off and drinking the blood out of its still beating heart. Like, "OMG!!! YOU ARE A RACIST!!!THE HORROR!!!"


Ian is a good example of this. He takes calls from statist fucks all day and is more friendly on air to them than he is to a racist. Which one is worse? Somoene who wrongly judges someone on the basis of their race, or someone that thinks its ok to steal from you? Racists are really no biggie as long as they dont act on their racism and start killing people based on it.

I just dont get the level of seriousness some people give racism compared to other bad things that directly effect people in a more direct way.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2010, 10:56:32 PM »

Agreed, quickmike.

The prideful technique of this generation is to shame others into submission, as if that really makes a difference in the end. Instead of knowing where one stands, and why, and then using any differences of opinion as a means to find common ground -- it's just easier to shame them. There's kinda a "social trophy" in it too, for the shamers.

Brock- why are you so frenzied by racist opinions?

I'm assuming you're primarily affected by racist comments against black folks. Are you just as affected by racist comments where white folks are the target?..or Asians, handicapped people, etc.

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2010, 12:39:11 AM »

Brock- why are you so frenzied by racist opinions?

I'm assuming you're primarily affected by racist comments against black folks. Are you just as affected by racist comments where white folks are the target?..or Asians, handicapped people, etc.

Ah, I think you hit on it.  I'm not frenzied by racist opinions at all.  It's the lack of courtesy? common sense? manners? that would lead someone to express those opinions that leads me to question the judgement of the speaker.

And, no, not just black comments, any collectivism.  Even the use of the royal "we" grates on me.

As far as how I handle it (same as taxes or any politics or religion) in a social situation, I just ask politely for the speaker to refrain.  Their response determines how passive aggressively I make them look like complete buffoons and how much time I will spend with that person in the future.
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2010, 03:07:34 AM »


i guess we will let people really decide if they want their biscuits made with love or hate. that's what the free market is about, informed decision making. she is a business that wants me, and my friends to support her. as such it is my responsibility to make sure people are informed. guess i am a doer too....

I don't give a frogs fat ass about the politics of the people I do business with. Since I live in a country where most people are Socialist I would quickly starve to death if I did. I want good value that's it.

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2010, 10:00:44 AM »

I cant stand stupid people regardless of what color

It's been my observation that her definition of "stupid people" is vast and many are beneath her if they don't agree with her or dare to bring up a concern.   

She is right.  You are wrong.  If you don't back off (click!) unfriend or deletion of your comment or point of view. 

It's as simple as Sandbox 101.   It's her sandbox.  Your sand castle sucks.  She stomps on it, kicks you out and commands who is left in the sandbox not to play with you anymore.   
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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2010, 02:02:57 PM »

A friend of mine commented on a old Chevy commercial we watched on youtube at work saying "boy what a Nigger killer of a bumper that thing has."
A lot of guys in the lunchroom probably thought he was a racist. Just one minor problem: His beautiful wife is black.

Sorry, son, that is racist. You are wrong. Just because a racist married a beautiful black woman does not exempt him from being racist towards blacks.

For instance, I have been with a Chinese woman for 13 years but I am racist towards Chinese people in general. So is she. Have to admit, they are some unobservant to the world around them fucks. That is for sure.

Well.... O.K. :D
If a racist is simply prone to harmlessly generalizing, I wouldn't put them in the same class as a nasty animal that wants to hunt down and kill a certain race or believes one race should rule another. I don't actually mind the first type at all (unless they rub my face in it or something) and despise the second.
You specified a country, can you physically tell one Asian from another? I can't. (not being a smartass I really can't)
I am a chauvinist, but I love women and would never harm or use force on one, I just think they are a bit weaker in general and not the gender one would want to depend on in a emergency.* I hope that puts me a cut above a man who believes he owns his wife like his livestock.
But I am willing to bet some WOW member would punish and hurt me more than the truly evil man.
May I suggest a new word for the harmless type of racist? "Racist" is starting to be like the word "Sexual Predator" so over reaching that it loses any progressive meaning.

* I know plenty of women can kick my ass. I love the Diva part of the WWE, but I do generalize woman as a group.

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2010, 07:12:23 PM »

Brock- why are you so frenzied by racist opinions?

I'm assuming you're primarily affected by racist comments against black folks. Are you just as affected by racist comments where white folks are the target?..or Asians, handicapped people, etc.

Ah, I think you hit on it.  I'm not frenzied by racist opinions at all.  It's the lack of courtesy? common sense? manners? that would lead someone to express those opinions that leads me to question the judgement of the speaker.

And, no, not just black comments, any collectivism.  Even the use of the royal "we" grates on me.

As far as how I handle it (same as taxes or any politics or religion) in a social situation, I just ask politely for the speaker to refrain.  Their response determines how passive aggressively I make them look like complete buffoons and how much time I will spend with that person in the future.

Good enough for me.

I read this (short) commentary last night which pretty much includes everything that puzzles me about people (mostly whites) getting so worked up over "racism".

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Mark-Kirk-Re-Segregates-the-Senate-110975684.html

How do people become so passionate & sensitive in such awful, mislead ways? This is the kind of opinion that so many lefty types bag around with them. Totally throws common sense & logic out the door.


One comment to the article stood out:
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This article is too simplistic and doesn't account for reality.

Since there are 100 senators and blacks make up 12% of the population, that means that there should statistically be (roughly) 10 black members of senate, in a vacuum where no other real world details can intrude.

However, reality changes things. Roughly half of blacks are women (who are far less likely to run or be elected). So that cuts the number down to roughly 5 or 6 members that we could expect in the senate.

In addition, a large percentage of the black population are not adults of age to run for senate. This cuts it down to maybe 2 possible senators, statistically.

Also consider that OVER HALF of adult black males have a criminal background. This cuts us down to (at most) ONE black senator, statistically.

Also consider that out of that, only roughly 2% of the eligible black males who are of age, with no criminal record, have the proper education and experience to run for the position. That means that NOT EVEN ONE black senator is likely, statistically.

This isn't about racism - it's about numbers.
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2010, 07:56:25 PM »

Those statistics are only relevant if they differentiate the black and white population

Gender breakdown, at the least, is irrelevant.

Age is probably only minimally relevant.

The education/experience criteria is at least partly subsumed by the criminal background criteria.

Which makes criminal background the only relevant point of difference.

And I don't know what the true statistics are there, I've heard a third, but half seems high.
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