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Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« on: March 16, 2006, 10:55:12 PM »

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About two years ago a judge/lawyer friend of mine told me that if I'm pulled over after drinking and driving, all the evidence they have against me is what I have given them. That is the smell test, balance test, eye coordination test, breathalizer test, etc. In Missouri we have what's called implied consent: When you get your license it is assumed by the state that you have consented to a drunk test - if you 'refuse' to take the test then your license can be yanked right there for up to a year.

So I began carrying a small piece of paper that I give the officer that pulls me over - for whatever reason - that states the following:

"As an American Citizen, I have the right to remain silent. Please don't take this personal; it's merely an exercise of my rights. I also reserve the right against self-incrimination and request my lawyer(s) be present for any questioning. My attorneys are (Lawyer Name) and/or (Lawyer Name) at xxx.xxx.xxxx. If I am out of the state of Missouri, I hereby request a directory of local attorneys to choose counsel."

Since I started keeping that little sweetie in my pocket I've used it each time I'm pulled over - which around here and given that I'm a bit of a hell-raiser amounted to 5 or 6 times. Each time, the officer took the paper and license from me, went back to his car, came back angry and told me to go away. One time I was in a motorcycle accident and had a lady on the back. We'd both had a few, but weren't really intoxicated however we still smelled of beer. We were both transported to ER and while I was being administered to the officer went through my wallet - finding the little piece of paper on top of my license. He couldn't question me or obtain evidence so he gave me a ticket for not having my insurance ID in my wallet and told me, "This is your lucky day".

Actually, my lucky day was when I made that little card up and began carrying it. It also must work for speeding and firing a handgun within the city limits, cuz the same thing happened.

I do not advocate anyone breaking the law but I don't believe in the so called "implied consent" laws or that driving is a privilege.'
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 01:57:10 AM »

Messing with the cops can be hazardous to your health.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 02:49:08 AM »

I don't buy it.

I can't see it going down that smooth.  The story read like something from Playboy Letters, not True Crime.

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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 02:55:33 AM »

I suspect that the right to remain silent bit is only for after you have been arrested.
Just a guess.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2006, 01:15:09 PM »

Plus as Manwich stated on Wednesday night's show, cops now-a-days are just way too trigger happy.

Think of that army MP (I think it was army) who just got back and was shot 3 times.  He was following the direct instructions and complying with EVERYTHING the officer was saying.  I addition, he was stating to the officer exactly what he was doing.
Officer: Get up!
Victim: Okay, I am getting up.
*BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*
And about this case...why did the cop have his gun out anyway?

Think of the handicapped kid that was shot to death.  He was shot because the office THOUGHT he was an escaped prisoner.  What a great excuse for these violent bastards to start using.

Although I like the idea of the note, I would be afraid for being shot for any reason they want to make up.

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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 11:24:10 PM »

That's true, but it's better than just saying ok to everything and taking it up the behind. If we don't start standing up to these cunt-buckets who will?

Agreed, but I'd rather stand up to them when someone else is there, and preferably with a video camera.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2006, 12:15:12 AM »

When I read the camera bit - it brought to mind something that was in the news a few years back.

Don't know if it was local or national, but....

A cop pulls someone over, they decide that since their conversation is recorded by the cops for "their protection", the driver would notify the cop that he was doing the same.  The cop objected and it just wend downhill from there for the driver. 

I don't think the note would go over so smoothly.  I also believe the right to remain silent bit would be after you were arrested - as it is a Miranda issue.  And of course, your Miranda rights are read to you when you're busted, soooo.......

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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2006, 12:21:07 AM »

I know if I were a cop and some prick handed me that shit, I'd haul him right out of that car and give him a swift kick in the balls.  I'm not sure it's a good idea to fuck with the cops either.  I'd rather just not fuck up at all.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2006, 01:13:37 AM »

But in the right to freedom of speech, it seems like you would thus have the right to say nothing.  Thus, to remain silent.

I had a similar thing in my wallet (before it got taken with my pants 1.5 years ago :( ) that listed my rights for when I was pulled over by a cop in a car, and when I was pulled over by a cop not in a car.  I'm pretty sure it did say that I should do something...

But, can the cop still ask for driver license/registration if you give him the magical silent card?  I would think that asking for registration and driver's license would be some form of questioning, and thus you can wait until your lawyer is with you.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2006, 01:33:25 AM »

Careful -- I think assuming that cops can read is a stretch in many jurisdictions. . .
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2006, 04:09:25 AM »

I know if I were a cop and some prick handed me that shit, I'd haul him right out of that car and give him a swift kick in the balls.  I'm not sure it's a good idea to fuck with the cops either.  I'd rather just not fuck up at all.

You'll make a good women's prison warden some day.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2006, 09:41:19 AM »

There is nothing in the world that will keep that note attached to your license if the cop wants it lost. There is no better glue remover than a cop's hands, then it's your word against his.

NORML has had a "Freedom Card" available for free download for years that somewhat mimics the language in the card on this post. http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3407

Caveat: No amount of printed material will save you from the cop who is having a bad day, or is just a Mike Ditka type. If there is one cop, your word about what happened is nullified by the court. If there are two cops, be prepared to produce four witnesses. If there are three, six, ad infinitum.

A tape recorder or video camera, although not irrefutable, is the most important piece of equipment in your car these days. It should come stock.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2006, 10:01:09 AM »

I know if I were a cop and some prick handed me that shit, I'd haul him right out of that car and give him a swift kick in the balls.  I'm not sure it's a good idea to fuck with the cops either.  I'd rather just not fuck up at all.

You'll make a good women's prison warden some day.

...not really.  It's funny and clever if you're not a cop, but when you're a cop and you're pulling someone over, your mission is most likely to give them a ticket and/or harass them as much as humanly possible.  It's just not going to go over well with cops, and if a bunch of people started doing it, they'd just make a law against that too.
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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2006, 10:59:55 AM »

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About two years ago a judge/lawyer friend of mine told me that if I'm pulled over after drinking and driving, all the evidence they have against me is what I have given them. That is the smell test, balance test, eye coordination test, breathalizer test, etc. In Missouri we have what's called implied consent: When you get your license it is assumed by the state that you have consented to a drunk test - if you 'refuse' to take the test then your license can be yanked right there for up to a year.

It is assumed by the state that you have consented to a sobriety test because when you get your drivers license, you choose to consent.  Because when someone signs something that says "I consent to a sobriety test by signing for this license", it would seem to me that the person, if he is an honest, principled person, should allow a sobriety test.  If they do not want to consent to a sobriety test, they should not sign a piece of paper that says that they do.

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So I began carrying a small piece of paper that I give the officer that pulls me over - for whatever reason - that states the following:

"As an American Citizen, I have the right to remain silent. Please don't take this personal; it's merely an exercise of my rights. I also reserve the right against self-incrimination and request my lawyer(s) be present for any questioning. My attorneys are (Lawyer Name) and/or (Lawyer Name) at xxx.xxx.xxxx. If I am out of the state of Missouri, I hereby request a directory of local attorneys to choose counsel."

Since I started keeping that little sweetie in my pocket I've used it each time I'm pulled over - which around here and given that I'm a bit of a hell-raiser amounted to 5 or 6 times. Each time, the officer took the paper and license from me, went back to his car, came back angry and told me to go away. One time I was in a motorcycle accident and had a lady on the back. We'd both had a few, but weren't really intoxicated however we still smelled of beer. We were both transported to ER and while I was being administered to the officer went through my wallet - finding the little piece of paper on top of my license. He couldn't question me or obtain evidence so he gave me a ticket for not having my insurance ID in my wallet and told me, "This is your lucky day".

Actually, my lucky day was when I made that little card up and began carrying it. It also must work for speeding and firing a handgun within the city limits, cuz the same thing happened.

So, within a period of two years, this guy may have been pulled over for drunk driving, has gotten pulled over five or six times for unknown other reasons, got into a wreck while intoxicated, shoots his gun around town, and tries to antogonize cops.  This is a guy we should listen to.

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I do not advocate anyone breaking the law but I don't believe in the so called "implied consent" laws or that driving is a privilege.'

There was no implied consent.  There was explicit consent.  He signed a piece of paper consenting to a sobriety test as a condition of taking the drivers license.

As for driving being a privilege, I believe one should be able to drive on a road that he or she pays taxes on without permission.  Perhaps this person should compaign for his representatives in his state legislature to not require drivers licenses.  Or maybe he can raise money to build his own private road ---- which, by the way, no one is prevented from doing.  

Maybe he can't raise money to build he own private road or can't convince his neighbors and local and state representatives to get rid of drivers licenses because he's too busy getting drunk and driving around with a gun, starting shit with cops.

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Re: Magical note that allegedly scares off cops
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2006, 03:04:01 PM »

http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/1/1-207.html

According to some modern Revolutionaries, unless I sign "ucc 1-207 without prejudice" after my name, I can be legally compelled under the terms of any contract to perform that which was not explained to me at the time of signing.

There are some contracts that are worth bending, breaking, and smashing to smithereens.

It's called a backbone.
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