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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2009, 07:31:19 PM »

You're losing your touch, Libman. I already posted that elsewhere

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2009, 07:56:25 PM »

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A spokesman for EU Competition Comissioner Neelie Kroes said today that she "expressed her disappointment that Oracle failed to produce, despite repeated requests, either hard evidence that there were no competition problems or a proposal for a remedy to the competition concerns identified by the commission," and that "a rapid solution lies in Oracle's hands.

It hurts my brain whenever I hear (or read) the twisted cogitations of bureaucrats. This "see you next Tuesday" doesn't see the problem in a corporation being able to disprove "concerns" identified by the commision.

I wish bureaucrats had to answer all "concerns" about themselves before they had to take a job.

But I shouldn't make a big deal. It is only people's livelihood at stake. It is only investor's savings. It is only someone's hopes and dreams, the sweat of their labor. 
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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2009, 08:23:57 PM »

It is only people's livelihood at stake. It is only investor's savings. It is only someone's hopes and dreams, the sweat of their labor. 
... and $100 million per month.
... and 3,000 jobs. so far.

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2009, 07:10:14 PM »

From Slashdot -- EC Formally Objects To Oracle's Purchase of Sun --

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The EC has presented Oracle and Sun with a statement of objections.  Despite the promotion of former MySQL CEO Marten Mickos, the statement seems to focus entirely on what many have feared: MySQL vs. Oracle databases.

From Sun's 8-K SEC filing:  "The Statement of Objections sets out the Commission's preliminary assessment regarding, and is limited to, the combination of Sun's open source MySQL database product with Oracle's enterprise database products and its potential negative effects on competition in the market for database products."  The EU and the EC are getting a rep for disagreeing with US counterparts.

On Monday afternoon the DoJ reiterated its support for the deal.  Matthew Aslett has a helpful timeline of the action from the EC.

Stupid GNU-worshiping surrender monkeys...  :roll:

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2009, 11:43:17 AM »

Um MySQL is FOSS therefore it can be forked. As it's said everywhere, if you don't like the development mainline, fork it!
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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2009, 02:56:05 PM »

news flash: commie eurocrat regulators Don't Get It

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2009, 09:12:42 AM »

From Slashdot -- Senators Ask EC To Let Oracle-Sun Deal Go Through --

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The European Union has managed to do something that US Presidents often find difficult: to make 59 US Senators from both sides of the aisle agree on something.  A group led by John Kerry (D) and Orrin Hatch (R) has sent a letter to the European Union, asking it to wrap up the investigation of the Oracle-Sun merger and let the deal go through.  Interestingly, the letter emphasizes the damage the delay and uncertainty are doing to Sun.

The article paraphrases a Gartner analyst, who points out that the Senators' letter "comes from a US point of view and doesn't take into account how the EU operates."

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2009, 12:25:01 PM »

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The article paraphrases a Gartner analyst, who points out that the Senators' letter "comes from a US point of view and doesn't take into account EU communist tyrants."
The original article was misquoted. Fixed.

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2009, 03:58:10 AM »

Michael Widenius, one of the original founders of MySQL AB, is joining Stalinman in rallying the mob in support of government intervention in the Sun-Oracle deal...  My comment on his blog:

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Shame on you for encouraging government intervention in the free market!  Good thing I've always preferred PostgreSQL / SQLite, which aren't as restrictively licensed, and made by people who understand that software freedom comes from competition (and, in the case of FLOSS, from forking), not from violent government force!

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EDIT: here's another post I've made on that blog in case it gets rejected / deleted:

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To J:

Human rights are not derived from popularity, they are derived from empirical economic facts.  Please do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the realities of the free market (Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard are a good place to start).

Oracle and Sun are legal entities created for the benefit of their shareholders, who have the right to decide whether the two should merge.  The government has no right to interfere in that deal any more than it has the right to put you in a concentration camp, and allowing one is a slippery slope toward the other.  The EC, like all overgrown Mafia organizations that call themselves "governments", are only concerned with maintaining and expanding their power.

Sun and Oracle are not your slaves, they have no obligation to do anything for you that isn't in their interest.  And, "since we're talking about opensource here" (though I do maintain that restrictively licensed / GPL'ed software is not really "free") - just fork it! 


To Piyush:

Virtually all economic problems in history were caused by government intervention, and this one is no exception.  It mainly resulted from an expansionary monetary policy, and bad regulations forcing banks to give out bad loans.  Please educate yourself on all sides of the issue before parroting the statist propaganda that is placed before your eyes by the government.
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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2009, 01:35:19 PM »

When you're not creeping me out, you're pretty cool, Libman

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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2010, 07:05:32 PM »

The irony is that Monty actually wants the Gov to force Oracle to re-license a new version of MySQL under my beloved BSD license (pretty much the next best thing to no license at all).  If so, then why did he release all his recent code, including the MariaDB project, under GPL?  :lol:

I keep coming back to the same circular reasoning trap - wanting a very permissive license that disallows violations of the Non-Aggression Principle, which would keep the government from using it or interfering with it in any way, if it was actually enforceable...  :roll:
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Re: Looks like IBM will buy Sun after all (update: NOT! (update: Oracle!))
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2010, 11:42:20 AM »

More of the same from Slashdot -- Why Oracle Can't Easily Kill PostgreSQL --

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Claiming that "PostgreSQL is a FOSS alternative to MySQL and hence Oracle should be allowed to pursue MySQL" is a specious argument, according to Monty Widenius.  He fears that Oracle, or someone else, can easily squash PostgreSQL by just "buying out" the top 20 developers.  The Postgre community has fired back, calling that claim ridiculous.

According to the article, "PostgreSQL as a project is pretty healthy, and shows how vulnerable projects like MySQL are to the winds of change.  PostgreSQL could die tomorrow, if a huge group of its contributors dropped out for one reason or another and the remainder of the community didn't take up the slack.  But that's exceedingly unlikely.  The existing model for PostgreSQL development ensures that no single entity can control it, it can't be purchased, and if someone decides to fork the project, the odds are that the remaining community would be strong enough to continue without a serious glitch."
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That commie moocher retard is still at it -- MySQL founder seeks to challenge Oracle's acquisition of Sun --

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Six months after the European Commission had agreed that the Oracle acquisition of Sun Microsystems could proceed, at the European Court in Luxembourg, Michael "Monty" Widenius has brought proceedings against the merger. Widenius was the original developer of MySQL the free and open source database. Sun bought his company MySQL AB in early 2008 for $1 billion, and copyright of MySQL then passed to Oracle with the acquisition of Sun.

A report in the Financial Times says that the European Commission is aware of the action, but does not yet know the grounds. A spokesperson for the Commission has said it will defend its decision in court.

Originally, the European Commission had expressed concerns about the future of MySQL following the acquisition. Eventually these concerns were resolved and permission was given to go ahead. Oracle had promised to continue to develop new versions of MySQL and to release them under the GPL.

The moral of the story - stay away from copyleft software, and stay away from people / companies that release copyleft software.  JUST SAY NO!
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