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BobRobertson

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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2009, 02:19:26 PM »

There is no government regulation in the way, people just want to keep as much Internet as they can for themselves.

Then build it.
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2009, 02:43:00 PM »

ham radio shares spectrum with wiress routers allowing high gain antennas with HSMM High Speed Multi-Media. Search for cantenna. Ranges of several miles can be achived.
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2009, 01:52:24 AM »

Political problems are not solved by technology

Hmm, I don't know if I agree.  I would say that without the internet, we would live in a much less free world today.  I know Ian and the FSP guys have said the Free State Project wouldn't be possible without the internet.  The FSP is definately an answer to a political problem.
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2009, 10:43:22 AM »

I would say that without the internet, we would live in a much less free world today. 
Technology cannot increase freedom.
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AL the Inconspicuous

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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2009, 01:01:37 PM »

Nice thread.  Don't have anything to add at the moment though...


Technology cannot increase freedom.

And so this forum yields yet another candidate for my "dumbest things ever uttered by a human being" list!

("If you don't vote you can't complain" and "taxes buy civilization" are still tied for #1 though.)
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2009, 10:42:44 PM »

Technology cannot increase freedom.

And so this forum yields yet another candidate for my "dumbest things ever uttered by a human being" list!

I guess it depends how you define "freedom".

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112. People anxious to rescue freedom without sacrificing the supposed benefits of technology will suggest naive schemes for some new form of society that would reconcile freedom with technology. Apart from the fact that people who make suggestions seldom propose any practical means by which the new form of society could be set up in the first place, it follows from the fourth principle that even if the new form of society could be once established, it either would collapse or would give results very different from those expected.
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2009, 11:50:50 PM »

From the invention of the first hunting and fishing implements (and later fire, farming, literature, etc), technology has allowed man to free himself from the constraints of animal-like existence, and enabled the very concepts of individualism and mutual non-aggression that you are now trying to defend!

In every example where technology is presented as being harmful, the harm comes not from the technology itself but from its application within a society that recognizes the "divine right" of governments to a monopoly on power.  Technology can be a great equalizer, reducing the capacity of the "powers that be" to keep their "subjects" ignorant and easy to deceive.  None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who stick their heads in the sand in the name of freedom!
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2009, 01:39:14 PM »

I know Ian and the FSP guys have said the Free State Project wouldn't be possible without the internet.  The FSP is definately an answer to a political problem.

While the FSP certainly benefits from the speed of communication, it is not dependent upon it.

I cite as evidence the greenie socialist migration to Vermont beginning in the early 1970s. Without the 'Net it happened, just as a migration to New Hampshire could have been started by Soren's article in a paper magazine, such as _Liberty_, then written up in _Freedom Daily_ and the _Journal of Libertarian Studies_, or an article in _The Free Market_.

Talk radio pre-exists the (commercial, non-government) 'Net, as does ham-radio, something I certainly would have been actively doing if not for the 'Net having made long-distance personal communication so very much easier than learning Morse code.

Would it have gotten as big as it is, as quickly as it has? No. And Free Talk Live might exist only as two guys and a microphone somewhere in the 2-meter band. But it could exist.

The 'Net is nothing but a medium of communication, no different than a soap-box and a megaphone.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2009, 02:08:07 AM »

Yeah, and FTL could still exist without the evolution of homoerectus, except Ian and Mark would be monkeys sitting in a tree throwing poo instead of radio waves.  :roll:
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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2009, 07:40:26 AM »

Yeah, and FTL could still exist without the evolution of homoerectus, except Ian and Mark would be monkeys sitting in a tree throwing poo instead of radio waves.  :roll:

And with complete liberty to do so. In such a situation, there would be no FSP because there would be no need for it.

Let me be clear, I'm no luddite. Technology is a great enabler, but it enables everyone. The freeman and the tyrant are both able to use technology to their own ends. Technology is amoral.

The same cameras that capture the abuse of the jack booted thugs also invade the privacy of the peaceful individual. Technology, by itself, solves nothing.

What has always been destructive is when the powers of coercion gain substantial technological superiority. That's when tyranny really takes hold.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2009, 01:56:44 PM »

I refuse to just accept your claim that monkeys don't enjoy listening to Free Talk Live - a scientific study must be carried out at once!



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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2009, 02:11:07 PM »

I refuse to just accept your claim that monkeys don't enjoy listening to Free Talk Live - a scientific study must be carried out at once!
You would be the one to nearly-necro this otherwise mercifully dying thread

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Re: local wireless mesh network caller a couple months back
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2009, 05:10:30 PM »

Wow, you sure like to bury `em fresh!  If you're an archaeologist and you dig out a 10,000-year-old Web-server with this forum's database - then it's too late to necro, because you clearly aren't a part of the shared literary experience that is this forum.  But while most of the posters or their next of kin are still alive - you're merely extending the conversation.
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