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Re: Linux Sucks. Java sucks. I'm a Microsoft guy again!
« Reply #315 on: November 04, 2009, 12:07:47 PM »

I'd rather blame them for their copyleft license, which restricts so many possibilities...




In all seriousness, that's why I like other modern FOSS licenses for supporting my own development projects. But again, you're playing the bullshit card claiming GPL equals BSD equals Creative Commons equals MIT and etc, when they do not. When you get back some consistency in your arguments, then bother to reply, otherwise I refer to you to the following image...

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« Reply #316 on: November 04, 2009, 12:29:13 PM »

You have got to be joking Linix Rocks! it never breaks, its free, it has more features, it has no built in spyware, its easy to set up, the internet runs on it, its secure, there are many-many different types -- you would not have a lot of electronic devices without it -- .

Don't bother. If you read much of A.L.'s posts, you're realize he has a huge blind-spot where Microsoft is concerned.

I think he worships Bill Gates a god of some sort. Or they pay him. Anyway, I can't explain it any other way.


But if the Linux ports of the Nvidia / ATI drivers suck on my computers, then there's nothing one can do.

Amazing how, if Windows had a lousy nVidia or ATI driver, you'd blame nVidia or ATI for not supporting your Windows properly.

Why the double-standard, A.L.?

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Sure, Linux is free, but in any real-world situation the cost of Microsoft licensing pales in comparison to the benefits of running their products.

Tell that to the majority of web servers in the world, including this one.

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Linux just won't run Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010, and other ... software, much less games.

Of course not, because the authors of those programs do not compile them to run on Linux.

Again the deliberately blind double-standard, giving a pass to lazy developers who don't bother to compile their software for other OSs.

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And any Linux program can run on Windows just fine - either directly, through Cygwin / Interix / CoLinux, or from a remote / VM UNIX box via an X server.

Demonstrating only that F/OSS developers don't have the same laziness, ignorant bias, or idiot platform like Windows that can't utilize 20-year-old open standards to efficiently display their warez remotely, how did you put it A.L., "via an X server"?

I remember when the best (and may be still the best) remote server function for Windows was provided by an application called "Back Orifice". It still requires hacks just to make Windows play nice in any heterogeneous environment.

Microsoft's most effective marketing tool remains simple ignorance.


But again, you're playing the bullshit card claiming GPL equals BSD equals Creative Commons equals MIT and etc, when they do not. When you get back some consistency in your arguments, then bother to reply

Let's not misquote A.L.'s statements, they're damning enough without making them up for him.

A.L. is all for the BSD, MIT and any other license that let Microsoft poach code. He's said so many times.

It's right there in his Microsoft Astroturfer's Handbook that the BSD license is GOOD because it increases Microsoft's freedom, the GPL and anything to do with Richard Stallman is BAD.
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Re: Linux Sucks. Java sucks. I'm a Microsoft guy again!
« Reply #317 on: November 04, 2009, 01:01:41 PM »

(Related?)

My new laptop came today, and it has Windows 7 on it. It's damn sexy.

I've been using Ubuntu. It's nice, but I like Windows better. Although I'm still gonna dual-boot on this machine.

Maybe when I get a new desktop in a few months I might simply like it enough to run it as my sole OS... or not.
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« Reply #318 on: November 04, 2009, 02:26:22 PM »

I think he worships Bill Gates a god of some sort. Or they pay him. Anyway, I can't explain it any other way.

I don't get paid, and I don't even pay for any Microsoft software (see above).  The vast majority of the programming work that I do isn't Windows related.  This thread is all about admitting that as of this year most Microsoft desktop products surpass their FOSS equivalents, and it would be intellectually dishonest of me to pretend that they don't just because they're not free.


Amazing how, if Windows had a lousy nVidia or ATI driver, you'd blame nVidia or ATI for not supporting your Windows properly.  Why the double-standard, A.L.?

After growing up in the Soviet Union, I believe that "blaming" someone is a very communist thing to do.  That's all the commies ever do - blame someone for their problems.  Unsurprisingly, most FOSS users are the same way.  In a free capitalist society, however, people don't "blame" - they utilize their freedom of choice.

If the two major graphics card manufacturers don't want to upset the two companies that have the lion's share of the desktop market (92.52% for Microsoft and 5.27% for Apple - and an even higher share of hardcore gamers who buy their flagship products) in order to support a fringe hacker OS'es (i.e. Linux with 0.96% market share) then you're free to switch to another graphics card company, or invest several billion dollars to start your own.


Tell that to the majority of web servers in the world, including this one.

Yes, and of the last 50 Web servers I've worked on, maybe 15 were BSD and 25 were Linux.  This thread is about the desktop.


Again the deliberately blind double-standard, giving a pass to lazy developers who don't bother to compile their software for other OSs.

Those lazy no-good capitalist programmers who refuse to work for free!  Off to Siberia with the likes of them!  :roll:

Yes, it would have been nice if Microsoft were to offer all of their products for Linux.  And if all that Microsoft R&D money would have gone into Linux (as was the case with IBM and Oracle), it would have been better still.  The reality, however, is that Microsoft is not your slave, they are out to make a profit.  I'm not saying that the dick of the average Microsoft programmer is bigger than that of the average Linux programmer, I am simply analyzing the market reality from the desktop user's and desktop developer's point of view, and the verdict is simple - Microsoft kicks Linux's butt!


Demonstrating only that F/OSS developers don't have the same laziness, ignorant bias, or idiot platform like Windows that can't utilize 20-year-old open standards to efficiently display their warez remotely, how did you put it A.L., "via an X server"?

What are you talking about?  RDP rules!


Microsoft's most effective marketing tool remains simple ignorance.

Really?  I thought it was a vast capitalist conspiracy involving lizardmen and UFO's sending out mind control waves to force the vast majority of private sector businesses to install Microsoft products; write games, drivers, and other software with Microsoft API's; and so on...  :roll:


A.L. is all for the BSD, MIT and any other license that let Microsoft poach code. He's said so many times.

I am amazed how you can continue to repeat the same fallacious economically-retarded argument over and over again.  It's not just Microsoft that prefers non-copyleft open source licenses - everyone who isn't a brainwashed communist does!  (I personally prefer either the WTFPL or my own HESSLA-like license that denies all rights to government employees and all other NAP violators.)  BSD actually hurts Microsoft the most, because it allows their competitors (i.e. Google, Apple) a fast-track for catching up!
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« Reply #319 on: November 04, 2009, 06:40:49 PM »

(i.e. Linux with 0.96% market share)

I've enjoyed seeing that number change as convenient to Microsoft marketing.

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then you're free to switch to another graphics card company, or invest several billion dollars to start your own.

I've been wondering if the "Open Graphics Card" projects will take off. Interesting ideas, right up there with OpenSPARC.

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This thread is about the desktop.

No, you keep saying that but the thread is about lots of different things. You didn't put it in the "no hijack" area, so you're stuck. Get used to the idea.

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Again the deliberately blind double-standard, giving a pass to lazy developers who don't bother to compile their software for other OSs.

Those lazy no-good capitalist programmers who refuse to work for free!

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

You may be all hung up on the fact that you pirate the pricy applications you enjoy, I'm not.

You complain that various applications you like don't run on Linux, I point out that that's because they are not made so by those who write them. So you are blaming "Linux" for the choices of the very software houses you profess to appreciate so highly.

The simple fact is that applications compiled to run on Linux can be closed, and sold, just like any other software. To run on Linux requires being "free as in beer" no more than running on Windows requires that code be closed and proprietary.

That you seem incapable of understanding this merely reinforces my opinion that you are no developer at all, that your much vaunted bonafides are a sham.

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Yes, it would have been nice if Microsoft were to offer all of their products for Linux.

And it would require nothing more than what they have already done to compile them to run on MacOS.

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The reality, however, is that Microsoft is not your slave, they are out to make a profit.

Microsoft could have sold their applications to run on Linux at an time, with no change to their licensing or pricing. Had they done so, not that they were listening to me when I espoused the same thing when they first released Office, their lock on the office application suite would have lasted much longer.

But no, they decided to focus on vertical integration, attempting to leverage the "lock-in" of their applications being available on Windows only, with a nod to the Mac once Gates had a stake in Apple Computers.

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I am simply analyzing the market reality from the desktop user's and desktop developer's point of view

No, from YOUR point of view. Which is fine, so long as you state it as your opinion rather than the correct way for everyone else. When you do the latter, it's annoying and easily disproven by the simple fact that people do use the "Linux Desktop" happily every day.

Just not you.

And yes, many people agree with you. Many people also agree with me. That's life.

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What are you talking about?

You listed lots of ways that F/OSS works on and with Windows.

Excellent reasons to use F/OSS, and a credit to the community of developers.

It also shows how backwards and insular Microsoft products are.


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Microsoft's most effective marketing tool remains simple ignorance.

Really?

Yes.

There is a large number of people who use computers, perhaps even the majority, that think a personal computer is, by definition, "Windows".

Simple ignorance, fostered by the magnificent skill that Microsoft has shown in negotiating sole-source contracts with OEMs.

I may personally resent such skill, the same way I would a skillful killer, but I still recognize that skill.

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I thought it was a vast capitalist conspiracy involving lizardmen and UFO's sending out mind control waves to force the vast majority of private sector businesses to install Microsoft products; write games, drivers, and other software with Microsoft API's; and so on...  :roll:

Inventing conspiracies merely overshadows the ones that are real.


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A.L. is all for the BSD, MIT and any other license that let Microsoft poach code. He's said so many times.

I am amazed how you can continue to repeat the same fallacious economically-retarded argument over and over again.

Good sir, it is you who has said you prefer the BSD and other non-contributory licenses to the GPL.

If you want to call that a "fallacious economically-retarded argument", that's fine, but don't deny you made it.

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It's not just Microsoft that prefers non-copyleft open source licenses - everyone who isn't a brainwashed communist does!

Since I'm not a brainwashed communist, your statement is a lie on its face.

That does seem to be where we most substantially disagree. To me, what you prefer is a personal choice. To you, if someone disagrees with you they're a "brainwashed communist".
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Re: Linux Sucks. Java sucks. I'm a Microsoft guy again!
« Reply #320 on: November 05, 2009, 10:53:41 AM »

I wonder how AL can refute the basic argument of the Cathedral and the Bazaar, oh wait he can't, it's the very basis of modern development: damn.
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« Reply #321 on: November 06, 2009, 10:05:46 AM »


Coders of The World, Unite!

All hair our great leader, Comrade Stallman!















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No.
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« Reply #322 on: November 06, 2009, 10:12:47 AM »

A.L., didn't your mother teach you not to lie?

Yes, Stallman is a socialist. Denouncing F/OSS because one person is a socialist is like condemning Free Talk Live because you post in their forums.
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« Reply #323 on: November 06, 2009, 11:20:24 AM »

I've enjoyed seeing that number change as convenient to Microsoft marketing.

Ah, you didn't know that underlined words can be clicked with the pointy thingy to get more information, like in this case the objective source of those usage statistics.  That explains... a lot...


I've been wondering if the "Open Graphics Card" projects will take off. Interesting ideas, right up there with OpenSPARC.

I'm looking forward to that as well.  In the meantime, high-end graphics and games on Linux just plain suck - this is one of the things this thread is about.


No, you keep saying that but the thread is about lots of different things.
You didn't put it in the "no hijack" area, so you're stuck.  Get used to the idea.

You keep failing to understand that I'm a much better Open Source advocate than you are.  I evaluate things objectively and recommend FOSS software where appropriate.  GNU fanatics like you push it blindly and mindlessly, even if the "free" solution is a decade behind the cutting edge proprietary alternatives!


You may be all hung up on the fact that you pirate the pricy applications you enjoy, I'm not.

Microsoft could still do well in absence of the "intellectual property" racket and other regulations, which has been used against it far more often.  I never pirate software in a production / business environment, where in a free society Microsoft would have made money through voluntary contracts via business partnerships, skill certifications, services, hardware, and so on.


You complain that various applications you like don't run on Linux, I point out that that's because they are not made so by those who write them.
So you are blaming "Linux" for the choices of the very software houses you profess to appreciate so highly.

Again with the "complain" / "blame"...  I don't do those things, I act in my self-interest, and I occasionally share my experiences with others - thus this thread.

And in most cases it's not that I like those applications myself, what matters is that my clients do.  I understand that Microsoft, Adobe, etc could have gone through the effort of making their software run great on Linux - but they chose not to, which is their right.


[...]  it's annoying and easily disproven by the simple fact that people do use the "Linux Desktop" happily every day.

And some people go through life with a ginger butt-plug in their rectum 23 hours a day.  The overwhelming majority of people don't use Linux, and the 1% that do typically use it on a dual-boot system, and often end up going back to Windows after they're through playing "leet hacker kids", or whatever else motivated them to try Linux in the first place.


You listed lots of ways that F/OSS works on and with Windows.
Excellent reasons to use F/OSS, and a credit to the community of developers.
It also shows how backwards and insular Microsoft products are.

Your brainwashing is incredibly dense.  I am a life-long FOSS developer / advocate, and I've made a solid case for why running FOSS software through a Windows desktop is the functionally superior alternative.  If you "100% GNU or die" nuts have a problem with this - fine, enjoy your ugly fragmented Linux desktop, where half the apps are written by government-subsidized European "grad students" in slow-ass interpreted scripting languages, and using most API's would force you to give away your source code to your clients for free.


I wonder how AL can refute the basic argument of the Cathedral and the Bazaar,
oh wait he can't, it's the very basis of modern development: damn.

Refute it?  I'm its #1 biggest fan!  People keep bringing up CatB entirely out of context, which means they clearly don't understand it and the more recent philosophical rift between ESR and RMS...  Why not RTFM beforehand so you don't come off as uninformed as you do?


Yes, Stallman is a socialist.

That's not the biggest problem.  I can look past one's personal politics if they don't push them on others as much (ex. Orwell, Solzhenitsyn, etc, etc, etc).  But GNU has done more damage to the software industry than anything else I can think of, empowering Microsoft's dominant position by disempowering its would-be competition!


Denouncing F/OSS because one person is a socialist is like condemning Free Talk Live because you post in their forums.

Um, I'm not "denouncing FOSS" - many people who've worked with me still think of me as "Mr FOSS"!

I'm simply denouncing GNU puritanism, the rose-colored glasses through which GNU nuts overlook all of their flaws, and other stupidity.
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« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2009, 03:34:50 PM »

From Slashdot -- Microsoft Research Shows Off New Projects On College Recruiting Tour --

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In a recent college recruiting tour, Microsoft's Craig Mundie was able to showcase some of the experiments coming out of their Research division.  Among some of the interesting projects were another pass at the Minority Report interface, eye-tracking, intelligent data sorting, a global carbon-climate model, and several other software and hardware experiments.  A video and supporting slideshow are also available via Microsoft's press site.

"Mundie also will discuss the kinds of computers students will soon be using - machines that will respond to gestures through new natural user interfaces; deploy the power of new microprocessors; migrate data to the cloud; and use live data to drive new simulations and visualizations.  He'll center on an environmental theme to show what it might be like to be a research scientist working on zero carbon energy in the future using new interactions with data and computers to increase insight."
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« Reply #325 on: November 06, 2009, 06:08:58 PM »

That explains... a lot...

"Objective"? How can a statistic be objective that cannot count the 7 Linux systems I own? Or anyone else, who didn't buy it in a store?

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You keep failing to understand that I'm a much better Open Source advocate than you are.

Hahaha, lying again. Self-agrandizing while insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

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I evaluate things objectively and recommend FOSS software where appropriate.

As do I. I merely find it to be far more appropriate than you do.

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Microsoft could still do well in absence of the "intellectual property" racket and other regulations

A circumstance I hope occurs soon. Preferably tomorrow.

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I never pirate software in a production / business environment

So you know you're a hypocrite. Good.

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Again with the "complain" / "blame"...  I don't do those things

You obviously don't read your own postings. They are nothing but blame and complaining.

Just look at the subject line. Blame blame blame.

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And some people go through life with a ginger butt-plug in their rectum 23 hours a day.

Here's the "condemn" thing again, the very thing you said you didn't do.

You treat anyone who disagrees with you as if they were degenerate perverts. I make a simple statement of preference, you turn it into butt-plugs.

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or whatever else motivated them to try Linux in the first place.

Such as quality code, stability and compatibility through open, published standards?

That's why I use it. Like ESR, ideology is a nice side-effect, quality comes first.

Sounds good to me.

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Your brainwashing is incredibly dense.  I am a life-long FOSS developer / advocate, and I've made a solid case for why running FOSS software through a Windows desktop is the functionally superior alternative.

For YOU. Not for everyone. The fact that you insult anyone who disagrees with you is a sad testimony to your own lacks.

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But GNU has done more damage to the software industry than anything else I can think of, empowering Microsoft's dominant position by disempowering its would-be competition!

I find that interesting. How is keeping code open somehow "disempowering"?

That Microsoft cannot cherry-pick GPL'd code like they do BSD cannot be "disempowering" to anyone other than Microsoft.

Even MS can use all the GPL'd code they want to, in any way they want to. They merely have to allow everyone else the same freedom they have with that code.

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Um, I'm not "denouncing FOSS" - many people who've worked with me still think of me as "Mr FOSS"!

Thank Cromm I don't work with you.

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I'm simply denouncing GNU puritanism

That's interesting, because what I've read you do, over and over, is denounce anything Linux. The "F/OSS is great but only when running on Windows" is a perfect example.

Which is why, since you're following the Microsoft Astroturf playbook so closely, I make the conclusion that you're working from it.

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...which GNU nuts overlook all of their flaws, and other stupidity.

The stupidity, A.L., is your constant insulting of anyone who merely disagrees with you.
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« Reply #326 on: November 07, 2009, 12:25:17 AM »

Thank you for sticking up for Linux guys, I am amazed more people don't use it more, most people only use the internet on there PC anyway, and microsoft studio is not proper programing, mostly for collage kids, office can run under linux by using wine, but how many people go out and buy it anyway.  yes games run better on windows due to them only being made for windows, but I would rather play games on my PS3 and use my PC for all my other needs, the desktop works great on my linux mint PC and has never slowed or broken down. windows will always break they want it to its there business to make sure it will. 
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« Reply #327 on: November 07, 2009, 07:07:10 AM »

[...]  Or anyone else, who didn't buy it in a store?

Yes, evil capitalists are holding a gun to everyone's head and forcing them to buy Windows, and then to change their browser user-agent string to hide the fact that they switch to Linux.  :roll:


You obviously don't read your own postings. They are nothing but blame and complaining.

No, before you hijacked this thread with your GNU-worshiping hysteria it was mostly praise for how Microsoft is finally starting to get things right, and how after many years of shunning Microsoft like a plague I'm thus returning to it.  Saying that something "sucks" relatively to something else is, like I said, a case of sharing my opinions and experiences with others.


I make a simple statement of preference, you turn it into butt-plugs.

Hey, people have a right to live with a plug up their butt.  Or worse, with Linux on their desktop.  But I don't recommend it.


Such as quality code, stability  [...]

For the millionth time - you're confusing server-side Linux for desktop Linux!  Two totally different experiences!


The fact that you insult anyone who disagrees with you is a sad testimony to your own lacks.

Yeah, but it's more fun this way.   8)


I find that interesting.  How is keeping code open somehow "disempowering"?

What GPL is advocating is the software equivalent of forced redistribution of wealth.  What I'm advocating is the free market.


That Microsoft cannot cherry-pick GPL'd code like they do BSD cannot be "disempowering" to anyone other than Microsoft.

Show me a clause in any non-copyleft license that gives Microsoft exclusive privileges at the expense of Google, Apple, and Alex Libman?  It is the latter who benefit from non-copyleft open source software the most!  With GPL, static linking is entirely out of the question, and dynamic linking is iffy at best - and you never know if/when GPL v4 or v5 will make things even more difficult...


Even MS can use all the GPL'd code they want to, in any way they want to.
They merely have to allow everyone else the same freedom they have with that code.

Microsoft spends billions on R&D.  It might include a few small periphery components that are GPL'ed for PR purposes (as if that'd help), but I'm sure they could have rewritten it and done better.


That's interesting, because what I've read you do, over and over, is denounce anything Linux.

That's not true, I use Linux all the time.  I also use a lot of other GPL software, even though I hate the license - if/when it's the best.  I used to be a BSD + PostgreSQL guru, but I must admit that Linux and MySQL have recently surpassed them.  I still have many projects that I compile with GCC and the rest of the GNU toolchain, even on OpenBSD or Windows!  Thankfully my main bread and butter -- Apache and most scripting languages -- are not GPL.


The "F/OSS is great but only when running on Windows" is a perfect example.

That's not what I said.  I actually prefer UNIX servers to Microsoft ones.  For the millionth time - this thread is about the desktop!
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« Reply #328 on: November 07, 2009, 09:01:23 AM »

Yes, evil capitalists are holding a gun to everyone's head...

Typical. You post misleading statistics, I point out how they are not "objective" by any non Microsoft Marketing Department meaning of the word, and you return with insults and vitriol.

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No, before you hijacked this thread

I didn't hijack the thread. You brought up the subject of Linux, I replied on that subject.

I merely disagree with your "sucks", and your absolute statements about the unsuitability of Linux for other people.

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For the millionth time - you're confusing server-side Linux for desktop Linux!  Two totally different experiences!

No, A.L. I am not. They are not. I have had exactly the same experience with both desktop and server installs of Linux. In fact, since they are exactly the same code merely differing in whether the keyboard and screen are directly attached, I'm not surprised at all that the stability and frugality of one is found on the other.

That YOU have such problems is YOUR problem. Not everyones, regardless of your protestations.

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What GPL is advocating is the software equivalent of forced redistribution of wealth.  What I'm advocating is the free market.

What you cannot seem to understand is that there is no "force". If you don't like the GPL, then don't use code licensed under the GPL. Simple. Just like not using a private toll road if you don't want to pay the toll, or not using Microsoft products if you don't like the EULA.

Obviously too simple for you to grasp.

The free market is exactly that: Free. If you don't like something, then don't use it. At the same time, no one can force you to use anything you don't like.

And since you ignore the Microsoft EULA when you find it convenient to do so, why such an over-reaction to one particular type of software license?

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Show me a clause in any non-copyleft license that gives Microsoft exclusive privileges at the expense of Google, Apple, and Alex Libman?

How about IBM, Google, Novell and RedHat making plenty of money using GPL code?

Since the existence of those refutes your premise that the GPL somehow "retards" software development, the rest of your ignorant assertions fall flat.

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With GPL, static linking is entirely out of the question, and dynamic linking is iffy at best

So don't use it.

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and you never know if/when GPL v4 or v5 will make things even more difficult...

Then don't use them.

The Linux kernel remains GPLv2, for example, long after the GPLv3 came out.

Other people seem to comprehend that no one is forcing anyone else to use the licenses, why can't you?

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Microsoft spends billions on R&D.

And they still can't make an OS that doesn't require rebooting to make a change to 3rd party applications.

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That's not true, I use Linux all the time.

Sorry, A.L., you're not staying with the thread subject.

The subject is about how awful Linux is. See, it says it right there. "Linux Sucks."

Why can't you stay on subject?

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The "F/OSS is great but only when running on Windows" is a perfect example.

That's not what I said.

It is exactly what you have written, over and over, time and again.

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I actually prefer UNIX servers to Microsoft ones.  For the millionth time - this thread is about the desktop!

So why do you keep changing the subject? I've been talking about the Linux desktop, you keep bringing up servers.

You have stated, repeatedly and virulently, that F/OSS sucks, but it's just fine when running on Windows. Your hair-splitting about you really only meaning the desktop is merely quoting directly from the Microsoft astroturfer's handbook.

Or, if not quoting, then your "personal experience" is somehow perfectly in line with what the Microsoft marketing department has been pushing.
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Re: Linux Sucks. Java sucks. I'm a Microsoft guy again!
« Reply #329 on: November 07, 2009, 10:46:15 AM »

LOL, arguing on the internet.
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