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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2007, 08:12:15 PM »

160.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #76 on: October 24, 2007, 08:35:45 PM »

I got a 121, but I take exception with 12 and 41 as I am against ending immigration laws UNTIL the welfare programs have been abolished.  I also have issue with 18 and 42; I think a licensing program is a good thing if administered privately and competatively.  I also took exception with 30, but I can't remeber what it was.  This would probably boost me up to 135 or so.

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A redo put me at 130.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #77 on: October 24, 2007, 08:46:38 PM »

153.

I could tolerate a minimal state, but would like to see it gone altogether.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2007, 09:12:30 PM »

That's the rub, I think.  We can imagine vouchers without strings, but will never get them.
The same can be said of privatization.

Libertarian "Privatize" = Ending state involvement
Statist "Privatize" = Sell it all at once for $1 to the buddy of a bureaucrat making the decision of who to sell it to.

Privatization is just another word for fascism, not a free market.

Do we have to take everything Ian says or thinks as the gospel?  Privatization is not fascism, but hiring "private" companies to work under the control of the government is not privatization, it's corporatism.

What does Ian have to do with this?  :roll:  The gubernaphiles on the "right" have long been infatuated with the concept of "enhancing" the effectiveness of government by giving away sweetheart government deals to their friends.  If you like it too, I'm sorry you're offended by what it is--fascism.  Any assertion that government "controls" them is a fantasy.  Both hands are washing each other.

I didn't say that it was privatization.  I said it was corporatism.  There's a difference between that and fascism.  I bring up Ian because he was talking about this a night or two ago and said he preferred the term "marketization" because "privatization" has been corrupted.  I think it's obvious that the term has been misused, but that doesn't mean we should abandon it (in my opinion).  I'd rather attempt to show its correct usage.

Correct, my ass.  He got it from the same Austrian types I did.  I know the Chicago types are in love with it, but that doesn't change anything.

My point is that you're misusing the term "privatization".  It does not mean the same thing as fascism.  You can certainly make the argument that it's become more and more similar in colloquial usage to corporatism though.  However, I don't think you have many serious libertarians using this corporatist meaning of the term.  It's mainly just politicians who want to put a positive spin on cronyism/corporatism.

This is funny from the man who insists that "inflation" is price inflation not monetary inflation.

My contribution on the "privatization" argument is the same as always - use the bureaucrat definition which can be either "contracting the function out" or "selling the assets of the function to a private concern with a contractual agreement that the function be a going concern".

You really want to open that can of worms again?

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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2007, 09:17:45 PM »

You really want to open that can of worms again?

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Inflation is measured as the growth of the money supply in an economy, without a commensurate increase in the supply of goods and services.

Nope, you finally got it right.  There's hope for you yet!
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2007, 09:18:13 PM »

158. Vouchers.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2007, 10:16:28 PM »

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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2007, 10:51:03 PM »

Sounds like Dogma to me.

Put down the kool-aid. 

Sounds like someone afraid of a simple question that exposes the truth.

What can government, a group of people, voted for by people, do for people what other people cannot do for people?

No.  It's just that I don't think that a world view can, or should be, broken down into a bumper sticker slogan.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2007, 10:53:55 PM »

You really want to open that can of worms again?

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Inflation is measured as the growth of the money supply in an economy, without a commensurate increase in the supply of goods and services.

Nope, you finally got it right.  There's hope for you yet!

Finally?  That's been my definition of inflation from the beginning :)
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #84 on: October 24, 2007, 10:55:15 PM »

You really want to open that can of worms again?

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Inflation is measured as the growth of the money supply in an economy, without a commensurate increase in the supply of goods and services.

Nope, you finally got it right.  There's hope for you yet!

Finally?  That's been my definition of inflation from the beginning :)

Hell.  I thought you were studying econ not revisionist history. :)
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #85 on: October 24, 2007, 10:57:29 PM »

You really want to open that can of worms again?

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Inflation is measured as the growth of the money supply in an economy, without a commensurate increase in the supply of goods and services.

Nope, you finally got it right.  There's hope for you yet!

Finally?  That's been my definition of inflation from the beginning :)

Hell.  I thought you were studying econ not revisionist history. :)

What revisionist history?  If the money supply increases at the same rate as the supply of goods and services then there is no inflation.  That's what I've been arguing all along against many people here who claim than any increase in the money supply is inflation.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2007, 01:45:48 AM »

28. Soft core libertarian. I guess that is about right.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #87 on: October 25, 2007, 12:01:42 PM »

Sounds like Dogma to me.

Put down the kool-aid. 

Sounds like someone afraid of a simple question that exposes the truth.

What can government, a group of people, voted for by people, do for people what other people cannot do for people?

No.  It's just that I don't think that a world view can, or should be, broken down into a bumper sticker slogan.

A question you're too stupid to answer while maintaining your indefensible beliefs is not a "bumper sticker slogan."  In fact, I've never seen it on a bumper sticker.

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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #88 on: October 25, 2007, 12:52:07 PM »

160 points: Perfect! The world needs more like you.
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Re: Libertarian Purity Test
« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2007, 01:08:18 PM »

115. I don't agree with school vouchers, but not because I'm against an open (and free) market solution to them. I'm like Ian, all or nothing, gradualism is in the favor of the plutocrats.
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