Left Liberals Misunderstanding About Lessening The Tax Burden

[ziggy_encaoua]

I have had left liberals & socialists alike practically accuse me of being sociopathic for advocating smaller government & definitely lessening the tax burden on all citizens. The reason they often accuse me of being sociopathic is because they seem to think libertarians don’t give a toss about the poor & vulnerable. Why is it that lefties can’t see that if the tax burden is less upon individuals would have more money to give to charities if they so wish. Ah but that’s it they don’t want to do that they want to put a gun the heads of others to pay for they reckon needs to be paid for, which kind of says a lot about the mentality of the left. I mean anytime I confront them by saying if they care so much why aren’t they doing more to care about the poor & vulnerable or less fortunate. I wouldn’t belittle the problems of those who are less fortunate then myself & I do try to help when I can but I know if some leftist comes knocking & kicking me for not caring it pisses me off in the extreme because I think rather then wasting effort to send me on a guilt trip why don’t they try to do more of they care so much.

[YixilTesiphon]

Because they're stupid.

[Harry Tuttle]

Sorry Ziggy. The fact is that liberals don't care about the poor (enough to do anything to help) so they assuage their own guilt by getting on board with stealing from the rich.

If you want to persuade someone, you have to find a sneaky way to make them realize that they are the greedy (for wanting what they do not earn). They have to turn their guilt back toward themselves and realize that if they want to help the poor they should do so. You can never convince someone directly though. They have to believe that it is their own idea.

[ziggy_encaoua]

If you want to persuade someone, you have to find a sneaky way to make them realize that they are the greedy (for wanting what they do not earn). They have to turn their guilt back toward themselves and realize that if they want to help the poor they should do so. You can never convince someone directly though. They have to believe that it is their own idea.

Yeah everytime some liberal whines on about Darfur I offer to pay for their plane ticket so they can go help

[Harry Tuttle]

Yeah everytime some liberal whines on about Darfur I offer to pay for their plane ticket so they can go help

You are a good man.

[ziggy_encaoua]

Yeah but everytime I offer no liberal has taken me up on my offer guess life is far too cozy here

[Harry Tuttle]

I will single-handedly save Darfur*. I only ask in return that every citizen of the west give me 20% of your income and all of your 18 - 40 year old males for my Army and 1st dibs on all of your 18 to 40 year old females for my harem administrative staff.

Any attempt to audit my efforts will be labeled treason and punished severely.

* For purposes of this effort, "save" will be defined only by the standard of my latest speech. If I have not given a speech using the word "save" within the last 24 hours then any attempt to define the word "save" will be labeled treason and punished severely.

[SnowDog]

I don't think liberals care about those in unfortunate circumstances to the point that they want to personally help. I think they just want the problems in society to go away, so they shift the burden to government where they don't have to worry about it. In their own world-view, all problems that require direct participation, by which to solve, belong in the hands of the government so that the individual can be free of these considerations. Additionally, I think the liberals, subconsciously, want to be free from all requirements that nature imposes on us, so they are more than happy to renounce their need to acquire material possessions to support their life, believing that if the government divided up all the wealth in society, and had a plan for each problem that nature imposed on people, then each person then has the ultimate freedom to do what he chooses without considering the consequences, or the responsibility. I think this is why many of them believe they are liberty minded.


 

[Harry Tuttle]

I agree SnowDog. Whenever I talk to left-leaning people and they use the word  "freedom" they usually use it in the context of freedom to behave how I wish without repercussions. It is very important to them to be "free" to say "fuck" at a restaurant in front of children, or to talk in a movie theater, or to be "free" to go to college even though they don't have any money.

[Andy]

I will single-handedly save Darfur*. I only ask in return that every citizen of the west give me 20% of your income and all of your 18 - 40 year old males for my Army and 1st dibs on all of your 18 to 40 year old females for my harem administrative staff.

Any attempt to audit my efforts will be labeled treason and punished severely.

* For purposes of this effort, "save" will be defined only by the standard of my latest speech. If I have not given a speech using the word "save" within the last 24 hours then any attempt to define the word "save" will be labeled treason and punished severely.

No, I will. Pick me, pick me.

[jimmed]

Nobody gives a fuck, you fucking limey.

[AntonLee]

Ziggy-

It's funny you bring this up, because I just almost lost a friendship over their continued jabbing at me.  She works for the NH HHS (Welfare of NH) as a social worker.  I told her when she started that she was going to be indoctrinated soon enough.  She told me that she'd keep the few libertarian thoughts she had. 

She changed, she became a statist very quickly.  "It's a shame people won't fucking fund social services, we could help a lot more people"  -- eventually I had enough and told her that taxation was theft, and that her 'most important' job was only transferring stolen money to others who go through some paperwork, but no real investigation of their issues.  She tells me all the time, about the people that have getting government assistance down to an artform. . .and she thinks that in the long run. . . she'll help more people than who can take advantage of the system.

She blew up, called me a radical, a bigot, in a fantasy land, she even said 1984 was bullshit without even reading it.   It was pretty heated.  I've been over all the examples of how a free market would help these people more.  She won't listen, so I'm not going to speak of it again to her unless she brings it up.  A very difficult situation to be sure.

[Harry Tuttle]

That behavior is understandable. She has to make herself believe that crap. Could you imaging her showing up every day thinking her work not just meaningless - it is harmful. Intelligent people are capable of evaluating those situations and dealing honestly with them, but if you are intellectually lazy it is much easier to lie to yourself.

[ziggy_encaoua]

Nobody gives a fuck, you fucking limey.

I ain't a limey

[ziggy_encaoua]

she even said 1984 was bullshit without even reading it.

Yeah I've encountered people who say crap like that