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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2010, 04:40:29 AM »

This is one more reason not to follow any "isms"

Follow your own path.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2010, 08:40:20 AM »

we're gonna need to take Zeno to heart, and each of us is going to have to build a better man to fit in the society of better men, or we will fail.  This means acting like the guys were smart enough to encourage Ian to act like (and again, I know I suck as bad as anyone.)

Well said.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2010, 08:46:18 AM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2010, 09:55:49 AM »

Jim Davidson is a regular contributor to L. Neil's website.

El Neil does not decide what gets published, the editor does.

And, as the editor has said many times, submit something yourself.

Davidson does. Do you?

I can say from direct experience that there is little or no editorial bias on _The Libertarian Enterprise_. Lots of articles have been posted that are vehemently disagreed with by others who have had articles posted, and it looks like one of my contributions is going to be opposite in position to Mr. Smith's on "intellectual" property.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2010, 12:47:53 PM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

One of the least-constructive responses.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2010, 12:52:53 PM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

One of the least-constructive responses.

It's like Sean Hannity blasting Ron Paul. No intellectual replies, just name calling and misinformation spreading.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2010, 01:00:16 PM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

One of the least-constructive responses.

It's like Sean Hannity blasting Ron Paul. No intellectual replies, just name calling and misinformation spreading.

It's like "Hey, come and look at our festering open sores!  Don't you want to come here now?"

To an extent, it applies to Ian and Neil too, but at least they have the excuse of being emotionally distracted.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2010, 01:02:22 PM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

One of the least-constructive responses.

Agreed. The fuck, Denis? How is that constructive at all? "I think I'll respond to the poor treatment of a potential ally by treating an ally poorly!" Just stupid.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2010, 01:02:59 PM »

To an extent, it applies to Ian and Neil too, but at least they have the excuse of being emotionally distracted.

And, directly involved.

It is very easy to point fingers from the sidelines.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2010, 01:09:42 PM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

One of the least-constructive responses.

Agreed. The fuck, Denis? How is that constructive at all? "I think I'll respond to the poor treatment of a potential ally by treating an ally poorly!" Just stupid.

He's just frustrated because his approach isn't working as well as the Free Keene one in terms of practically gained "freedom now". He has lots of time in between government being out of session to naysay.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2010, 01:12:41 PM »

Ha, the Freestaters screwed the pooch again.

Correction: Keeniacs screwed the pooch.
Freak-staters go home

http://freestateblogs.net/and_now_plagiarism

One of the least-constructive responses.

Agreed. The fuck, Denis? How is that constructive at all? "I think I'll respond to the poor treatment of a potential ally by treating an ally poorly!" Just stupid.

He's just frustrated because his approach isn't working as well as the Free Keene one in terms of practically gained "freedom now".

I'm not sure there's a "winner" yet.  At the moment, I'm seeing a lot of losers.  :(
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2010, 01:44:23 PM »

Any blog about this should have lots of quotes and comparisons of the language.  I don't care what light it's cast in so long as people read the words.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2010, 01:52:31 PM »

Any blog about this should have lots of quotes and comparisons of the language.  I don't care what light it's cast in so long as people read the words.

Here you are.

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?board=30.0

Specifically,

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1997.0
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2010, 02:07:23 PM »

Quote
WE, THE UNDERSIGNED Witnesses to the Lesson of History -- that no Form of political Governance may be relied upon to secure the individual Rights of Life, Liberty, or Property -- now therefore establish and provide certain fundamental Precepts measuring our Conduct toward one another, and toward others:

That looks a lot like it was modeled on the preamble to the constitution.  Used it for inspiration, one might say.
More honest folks like L. Neil Smith might call it theft and vandalism.

I'm not sure I want to continue this exercise having found the first section so easy.
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Re: L. Neil Smith turns out to be a statist asshole
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2010, 02:11:16 PM »

I'm not siding with Ian here, but he did say numerous times that it was based on L. Neil's covenant. It has only been minutely altered, point one of the thing says that every man is entitled to the fruits of his labor, so how should one proceed in a case where L. Neil put this document out for the world to see (and incidentally copy. Read the Galatin Divergence, or any of the books in his North American Confederacy series and you'd get the idea that Freedom is more important an ideal than IP)

I guess the real issue here is tangibility. He has every right to those documents that he wrote by hand, or printed, or stored on his hard driver or servers. But if the idea itself gets out of the bottle, what rights can be naturally derived from its existence?

Ooh, how about this as an idea? He tacitly approves of the use of his document by posting it on the web? I mean, I have to send the packets and IP data to request a file from him and his servers then authorize the motherboard to send return packets and the file to my computer.
So, he's authorized the machine to disseminate the file, giving it logic and instructions on what cases may be given the file.
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