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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 11:12:35 PM »

Remember, knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2012, 12:17:57 AM »

Awesome thread Linz.  I've been drinking wheatgrass juice lately which is pretty hardcore, but I haven't tried going for a full day or more with nothing more than juices.  I've also been blending up kale and other greens mixed with a bunch of raw stuff for breakfast - totally awesome.

Cheese Cake, anyone (made from cashews, dates and lemon)? How about chocolate mint ice cream (made out of avocados, peppermint and bitter-sweet chocolate)?

Recipes please?


John Shaw, can you get raw almonds at that insanely low price that you mentioned in another thread that are "truly" raw?
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2012, 10:44:30 AM »

Well, Lindsey, I used to have shakes every day, and on some busy days I would substitute them for food.

The amount of fiber in them can make things........explosive.

By shakes do you mean juice?  Or do you mean something pre-packaged with added supplements?  

I never have, but a friend of mine does it every so often. He goes back to his regular diet, then gets a bug up his ass to try again. He likes to get gum to chew on to replace the urge to be chewing food, which is pretty intense sometimes when you're drinking all of your meals. Also a bit of lethargy in the first 3 or 4 days after you start. He swears his energy level goes up and his head is much clearer after that though, but that might be a placebo effect in my opinion. Who knows.

I've seen the same thing about the first few days being awful.  Supposedly it is all the toxins leaving your body.  Obviously there will be some digestive upset in pretty much everyone when you drastically change your diet in any way.  So I'm sure that will be totally awesome.

Actually, I think it's the FOOD leaving your body.  Seriously.  

Having done it maybe between a half-dozen and a dozen times, my experience is that the first day isn't that hard, but "feels weird" because you keep having the automatic reflex to eat.  

Then the second day, you can alternately feel energized and worn out.  I think this is because (if you use the classic formula, anyway) you are getting energy from the sugar in the juice, but your digestive system basically not "running" any more uses less energy.  The trick is to be very regular with the juice drinking and to predict when you're going to need energy, because the juice and the fat-burning is all you have, and if you're going to burn a lot of calories, you're going to need more juice--BEFORE your activity and during.  Otherwise, you will have an energy crash, because your body only mines fat so quickly.

After three or four days, I start to miss food.  Interestingly, I think this is when you really start losing fat in earnest.  Might be interesting chewing gum.  Never tried that.  I usually crave some salt, too, none of which is in the juice.  If found that giving in to the salt craving, say, by drinking beef or chicken bouillon, or something with no solids and very lo cal, the salt apparently enhances the appetite, making things worse.  I think exercise actually helps, as what you crave then is the sugar in your juice, and if you drink the juice you need, it tends to satisfy.  I think my most successful fasts took place when I was on a good exercise routine and stuck with it (naturally, you need to drink juice constantly while doing cardio, and stop if you have a sugar crash.)

The exercise, I think gets me from day four to day fourteen.  Also, though, I have Degenerative Disc Disease, which complicates everything for me.  If I get a flair-up (which comes more frequently than they used to), eating, for some reason, helps.  I also found out I was caffeine addicted the first few times I fasted.  This was easy to correct for when I knew it--the key was to do one of two things: ramp down on the caffeine before fasting, or alternate between juice and tea while fasting, or some combination.

If there's anything to stress, I'd say it's the exercise.  Of course, the benefit is twofold: you crave the juice you need when you exercise, and the exercise helps you burn fat and remove toxins.  When I put in the best effort of exercising, I never actually felt the urge to stop the fast--and that's the real struggle, in my book.  You can overcome the crashes by learning from them, but what makes it "hard" is the urge to cheat or quit.


By "classic formula" I mean diluted maple syrup, lemon juice and cayenne pepper.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2012, 10:48:45 AM »

Oh...I should mention something very important.  The maple syrup formula, and probably any useful juice, is horrible for your teeth.  I developed a healthy habit (IMO) of always rinsing with water (or iced tea--see above) immediately after drinking the juice.


Just saw the post about "easing into" the fast.  That brings up another thing...my wife and I end the fast by having miso soup with cauliflower in it.  It's sort of a ritual.  The important thing is there are some foods you really shouldn't eat the first day after a juice fast: meats and starches fall into that category.  If you've been strict with yourself, you'd be amazed how good miso soup tastes, and how satisfying it is to chew on fairly well-cooked cauliflower.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2012, 11:21:49 AM »

I've been drinking it all through a straw, as I do most things to minimize tooth contact.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2012, 11:41:50 AM »

Otherwise, you will have an energy crash, because your body only mines fat so quickly.

When you're riding a blood sugar roller coaster, you seriously interfere with your body's ability to tap into your fat reserves. There's a crash course intro in the movie Fat Head that describes the chemistry involved. A low carb diet will usually reboot this process, even in many cases type II diabetes where the damage is very advanced, which is why you'll hear so many stories of how people stopped having sudden energy crashes and stopped getting ravenously hungry very suddenly. And when your body is in the mode of getting rushes of sugar and then releasing insulin to keep it from killing you (not exaggerating--it can kill you quickly if your pancreas didn't come to the rescue), when your sugar drops suddenly, your body can't tap into those fat reserves easily at all and you crash and crave more sugar/carbs.

You should just take a sledge hammer to your pancreas and get it over with quickly.

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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2012, 01:29:55 PM »

Otherwise, you will have an energy crash, because your body only mines fat so quickly.

When you're riding a blood sugar roller coaster, you seriously interfere with your body's ability to tap into your fat reserves. There's a crash course intro in the movie Fat Head that describes the chemistry involved. A low carb diet will usually reboot this process, even in many cases type II diabetes where the damage is very advanced, which is why you'll hear so many stories of how people stopped having sudden energy crashes and stopped getting ravenously hungry very suddenly. And when your body is in the mode of getting rushes of sugar and then releasing insulin to keep it from killing you (not exaggerating--it can kill you quickly if your pancreas didn't come to the rescue), when your sugar drops suddenly, your body can't tap into those fat reserves easily at all and you crash and crave more sugar/carbs.

You should just take a sledge hammer to your pancreas and get it over with quickly.


A good reason to pay attention to the energy you're using when on a juice fast, and drink accordingly.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2012, 06:29:46 PM »

WTFK, are you fasting with *only* the classic juice that you described?  I imagined juice fasting as being as shown on Fat Sick & Nearly Dead, i.e., the person fasting consumes vegetable juices.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2012, 12:41:33 AM »

WTFK, are you fasting with *only* the classic juice that you described?  I imagined juice fasting as being as shown on Fat Sick & Nearly Dead, i.e., the person fasting consumes vegetable juices.

That's what I was referring to.  I made some juice with apple, pear, cucumber, kale, and spinach the other day.  As far as I can tell there should be anywhere from 60-80% vegetable in there as opposed to it being mostly fruit.  I'm slowly putting more veggies in the juice as my taste buds get used to it.  I'm not fasting, mostly because we still have a lot of food in th freezer and pantry, and we don't just want to throw it out.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2012, 04:43:31 PM »

WTFK, are you fasting with *only* the classic juice that you described?  I imagined juice fasting as being as shown on Fat Sick & Nearly Dead, i.e., the person fasting consumes vegetable juices.

Yes, only that juice.  Fruit and vegetable juices, I'd consider a "liquid diet."
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2012, 12:17:39 AM »

WTFK, are you fasting with *only* the classic juice that you described?  I imagined juice fasting as being as shown on Fat Sick & Nearly Dead, i.e., the person fasting consumes vegetable juices.

Yes, only that juice.  Fruit and vegetable juices, I'd consider a "liquid diet."

I suppose that is really what it is.  The idea is that only the good stuff, the micronutrients go in, and that you sort of reboot your system.  When you go off the fast I think the idea is to eat only nutrient-dense foods.  I sort of made the assumption (ha) that it preferably be a plant-based diet with little to no animal products and minimal added sugar and fats.  So...basically vegan. Though the film made really no mention of this.  I probably picked that idea up more from Forks Over Knives.  You guys can see how I'm getting my money's worth out of Netflix.
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Re: Juicing?
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2012, 11:32:18 AM »

It's great to see this thread.  Most of my health conscious friends just don't get the concept of liberty, and my liberty minded friends think they need to express their independence by eating all the stuff that our left leaning government wants to ban.

Lindsey, I think you find a juice fast extremely valuable.  Rebooting is a great way to describe what this can do for your body.  When you have finished your fast, listen to your body.  You will crave the foods that will give you the nutrients you need.  Some people do well on a vegan or vegetarian diet, some do not.  I am one who did not do well on a vegan diet. 

After systematically analyzing which foods worked for me, I learned about the blood type diet, and it matched my own conclusions almost exactly.  As a type O (the oldest blood type) I do well on a diet that is similar to the "Paleo" diet.  The newer blood types are more likely to thrive on a plant based diet.  Hemp seed is a great source of protein for vegans.

Enjoy your fast, and keep us posted on your results.
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