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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #150 on: October 13, 2007, 04:35:28 AM »

Supplemental post, in lieu of inactivity due to laziness.

Here's a rare/exotic one:


It's a Dutch Beaumont M1871/88, made in 1878. Almost 130 years old. Shoots a black powder cartridge, 11.3mm x 50mm. Pretty huge. The rounds are five bucks a pop, so it doesn't see much shooting. The brown color is actually the type of "Bluing" they used on that rifle. It isn't rust.

Normally the barrel is about a foot longer (36 inches!) but somebody, probably over 100 years ago chopped off the end, cut the wood back to the ring, and put a new front sight on it. It's now a 24 inch.

Another cool thing, the rear adjustable sight is measured in "Paces" from the target, rather than meters or yards. 

The Italian style magazine was added by the original manufacturer around 1890. (It's stamped) The M1871/88 was originally a one shot, bolt action, until they retrofitted them.

Neat gun with a neat history.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #151 on: October 13, 2007, 05:53:39 AM »

John, what gun would you recommend for ZHTF (zombies hit the fan)?

Preferably something portable, for now. Once in NH I plan on more serious preparations - remote-controlled turrets with built-in video cameras and software that automatically recognizes, tracks and shoots zombies.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #152 on: October 13, 2007, 01:27:06 PM »

John, what gun would you recommend for ZHTF (zombies hit the fan)?

Preferably something portable, for now. Once in NH I plan on more serious preparations - remote-controlled turrets with built-in video cameras and software that automatically recognizes, tracks and shoots zombies.

.22lr.

Something like a Ruger 10/22. .22 ammo is about twelve bucks for five hundred rounds. Magazines come in up to fifty round capacity. Zombie heads are softer than human heads, so the .22 will mush a skull fairly easy.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #153 on: October 13, 2007, 01:46:10 PM »

Supplemental post, in lieu of inactivity due to laziness.

Here's a rare/exotic one:


It's a Dutch Beaumont M1871/88, made in 1878. Almost 130 years old. Shoots a black powder cartridge, 11.3mm x 50mm. Pretty huge. The rounds are five bucks a pop, so it doesn't see much shooting. The brown color is actually the type of "Bluing" they used on that rifle. It isn't rust.

Normally the barrel is about a foot longer (36 inches!) but somebody, probably over 100 years ago chopped off the end, cut the wood back to the ring, and put a new front sight on it. It's now a 24 inch.

Another cool thing, the rear adjustable sight is measured in "Paces" from the target, rather than meters or yards. 

The Italian style magazine was added by the original manufacturer around 1890. (It's stamped) The M1871/88 was originally a one shot, bolt action, until they retrofitted them.

Neat gun with a neat history.

I have the same one in my closet, but with the original barrel.  Mine was built in the Masterricht plant.  All I'm missing is the extension of the cleaning rod.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #154 on: October 13, 2007, 01:55:20 PM »

I have the same one in my closet, but with the original barrel.  Mine was built in the Masterricht plant.  All I'm missing is the extension of the cleaning rod.

Once we get the new house, I'm gonna plop it up over the mantle. At five bucks a pop, you should be able to kill large game. So I'm not gonna blow fat cash shooting the thing.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2007, 02:17:45 PM »

I have the same one in my closet, but with the original barrel.  Mine was built in the Masterricht plant.  All I'm missing is the extension of the cleaning rod.

Once we get the new house, I'm gonna plop it up over the mantle. At five bucks a pop, you should be able to kill large game. So I'm not gonna blow fat cash shooting the thing.

That's exactly where mine used to live, but I don't have a mantle in this house so it's displayed in the closet.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #156 on: October 13, 2007, 02:22:03 PM »

Is that a pinfire?
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #157 on: October 13, 2007, 02:25:47 PM »

Is that a pinfire?

I'm not really sure how the action works, to be honest. I know that they didn't actually have an extractor on them before they were modded for a magazine.

I believe it has a pin, but the way the whole assembly slides back when you chamber, it's kinda hard to tell.

(Just looked)

Yeah, there's a firing pin inside the bolt, and the rear of the bolt pulls back when cocked. (Pops forward when fired)

Very strange setup.

EDIT: Kinda dumb of me to say all of that when I knew that the cartridge was centerfire and used primers. *Duh* My bad.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #158 on: October 13, 2007, 02:30:04 PM »

Oh, yeah, I have some cartridges for it, also.  About half of them have lead bullets.  The other half have wood slugs.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #159 on: October 13, 2007, 02:31:50 PM »

Oh, yeah, I have some cartridges for it, also.  About half of them have lead bullets.  The other half have wood slugs.

Wood shoes, wood slugs, same difference.  :shock:

I know you can get the Egyptian 11.3x50, which will work, (It's new stuff) for about fIve bucks a round.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #160 on: October 13, 2007, 07:57:29 PM »

does it not work with normal powder?  or is it just cooler to fire what it was built for?
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #161 on: October 14, 2007, 06:47:57 AM »

does it not work with normal powder?  or is it just cooler to fire what it was built for?

Newer smokeless powders are too strong. You'd blow it up. Black powder is a weaker/slower expansion.

Make an Egyptian 11.3x50 with an equal amount of new stuff and you risk a face full of steel.

You could probably load it extremely lightly, but I'd say that reloading is not the place in life for experimentation, if you want to keep your guns around for a long time.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #162 on: October 14, 2007, 12:45:34 PM »

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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #163 on: October 14, 2007, 10:35:59 PM »



True, but if you took regular modern powder and loaded it into an 11.3x50 and fired it, it would be bad for your gun.

Modern power powder + Black powder gun = Bad for the gun, and dangerous.
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Re: John's Gun O' The Day Thread (Updated 10/13/2007)
« Reply #164 on: October 15, 2007, 02:17:15 AM »



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