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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: John Shaw on July 31, 2007, 04:02:25 PM
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Ok, every day I'm gonna post a new gun porn image from my collection with goofy factoids about each gun.
Entry for 07/31/2007: The Smith and Wesson 645.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/645.jpg)
Factoids:
The 645 was S&W's first major entry into the .45ACP market, and a little late, in the 1980's.
Starting with the third season of Miami Vice, Sonny used a 645, replacing his Bren Ten.
The 645 can cycle empty brass through a magazine out of the box, something which most guns require serious ramp modification to do. Fun if you dry fire and don't like snap caps.
The 4506 is the direct descendant of the 645, with a slightly different backstrap, waffling removed from the trigger guard, thumb safety screw change and other minor cosmetic changes.
The 645 is big, intimidating, and 31 flavors of badass.
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Sweet fancy Moses. Me wanty.
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Sweet fancy Moses. Me wanty.
You can get them used for around three fifty. Fancying them up is a bit more. :shock:
But to be honest they're great as is.
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Entry for 08/01/2007: The GLOCK 17
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/GLOCK17.jpg)
Not Much interesting to say about Gaston's Tupperware Terror. They're very good guns, without any soul. Any they U G L Y YOU AIN'T GOT NO ALIBI YOU UGLY. They all look the same, they all shoot the same. If you are a utilitarian, and not interested in gun smithing as art, the GLOCK has no equal. However, don't let the internet fool you. Internet reliability <> Real life reliability. Personally, I'm hooked on my Springfield XDs now, so my GLOCK gets less holster time.
The best GLOCK story out there is the Die Hard II one. Here's the quote from the movie:
"That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me! You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines, and it costs more than you make here in a month!"
A. The GLOCK model numbers began with the first production model, which was the 17.
B. It's not porcelain, it's made from a type of nylon. And the slide, barrel, and small parts of the frame are most assuredly metal.
C. It is not made in Germany. It is made in Austria.
D. When you look at it on and X-ray, it looks exactly like a gun.
(http://www.glockfaq.com/images/pics/g30xray.jpg)
E. GLOCKs cost around $450 bucks. Back when Die Hard II was made, they were around $350. They are decent, reliable, budget wise guns. They ain't by any stretch expensive.
Makes for good gun humor though.
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Aw, c'mon. It's purdy! (Yeah, yeah, tupperware only an engineer could love.)
Took me long enough, but I finally got around to buying brand new hi-caps for all my tupperware (or, correct capacity, actually, especially for the Glock balance--I already had damned expensive pre-bans for my G22, but that was it)...Botach Tactical did me good...$136, shipped, for nine mags.
BTW, I put 3.5# triggers in mine--they're very sweet.
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Like I said, I wouldn't own it if I didn't think it was a quality gun. However, it looks and handles like a brick.
Scroll up and look at that 645. It's a work of art compared to the BLOCK. The beveled edges, the swooping line at the bottom front of the slide, the wide, flat trigger... it looks like a car from the 1950's. The GLOCK looks like a large rectangle with smoothed edges.
I'm really into the aesthetics of a well designed gun.
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Scroll up and look at that 645. It's a work of art compared to the BLOCK. The beveled edges, the swooping line at the bottom front of the slide, the wide, flat trigger... it looks like a car from the 1950's. The GLOCK looks like a large rectangle with smoothed edges.
I sorta see the Glock as the '55 Nomad of firearms, with tenifer for chrome and nylon for wheels.
(http://info.detnews.com/dn/joyrides/2005/55chevyshow/55chevnomad.jpg)
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I sorta see the Glock as the '55 Nomad of firearms, with tenifer for chrome and nylon for wheels.
(http://info.detnews.com/dn/joyrides/2005/55chevyshow/55chevnomad.jpg)
Ah, but which model GLOCK? :lol:
Every. Single. One.
No variety, apart from size. Face it brother, dey's ugly.
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It's kinda a fatty like my G30s.
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The GLOCK is a wife gun. I don't mean that it's good only for your wife, I mean that it's a plain gun that you can rely on day in and day out, and you shouldn't expect much more than reliability and routine.
Mistress guns, on the other hand, and exotic and stimulating, with more exciting curves and willing to be more experimental. They're sexier and they cost a lot more money.
H&K, Sigarms, Rohrbaugh, Barretta, Browning, FN Herstal, hell, even Kahr.
Kahr makes a gun that looks and functions nearly exactly like the GLOCK, with fewer parts, (Amazingly) and still manages to look snazzy.
Almost the same, but with style, just some tiny changes. Of course it helps that they're mostly single stack guns.
(http://www.kahr.com/imgs/mdtl_pm9093.jpg)
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The Glock is an ugly mofo, but it performs.
(http://www.homelandstupidity.us/images/collection/p6280003.jpg)
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The Glock is an ugly mofo, but it performs.
Exactly.
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Entry for 08/02/2007: The Ruger Redhawk. (A few hours early because I plan on sleeping tonight if possible.)
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/RedHawk.jpg)
Ruger started making this little gem in 1979, to compete with other large frame revolvers.
.44 Magnum is pretty powerful, even nowadays.
The Redhawk can pretty much shoot the hottest loads out there, and is about twice as sturdy as it needs to be to shoot .44 Mag. Reloaders love it.
Sturdier than a Smith Model 29 (The Dirty Harry Gun) and just as accurate. Trigger could be better, but still pretty good, just like every Ruger.
I call mine "The Black Death" for extra scaryness.
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Is that MagSafe in the cylinder?
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Is that MagSafe in the cylinder?
Naw, it's empty.
Besides, I don't use frangible ammo. I have plaster lathe walls in this house, and the new house is a half mile away from the next door neighbor one each side, and a mile and a half out the back.
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Is that MagSafe in the cylinder?
Naw, it's empty.
Besides, I don't use frangible ammo. I have plaster lathe walls in this house, and the new house is a half mile away from the next door neighbor one each side, and a mile and a half out the back.
Figured it would be empty when photographing in your hand, probably with your camera in the other...just looked for some reason like I saw MagSafe. I don't use MagSafe in the Glocks, but I have it loaded in the .38.
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Figured it would be empty when photographing in your hand, probably with your camera in the other...just looked for some reason like I saw MagSafe. I don't use MagSafe in the Glocks, but I have it loaded in the .38.
So long as you aren't using ExtremeShock!!!! Ammo, I guess you're Ok. :P
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
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Figured it would be empty when photographing in your hand, probably with your camera in the other...just looked for some reason like I saw MagSafe. I don't use MagSafe in the Glocks, but I have it loaded in the .38.
So long as you aren't using ExtremeShock!!!! Ammo, I guess you're Ok. :P
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
Looks like bullshit.
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Figured it would be empty when photographing in your hand, probably with your camera in the other...just looked for some reason like I saw MagSafe. I don't use MagSafe in the Glocks, but I have it loaded in the .38.
So long as you aren't using ExtremeShock!!!! Ammo, I guess you're Ok. :P
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
Bwahahahaha!
Look at those assholes...
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Which one is the one I like, again?
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Which one is the one I like, again?
The one with the bullets.
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Which one is the one I like, again?
The one with the bullets.
No, John knows. It's a Smith & Wesson. It's sexy.
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No, John knows. It's a Smith & Wesson. It's sexy.
The 460 Magnum is the Linzamatic fave.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/GunPorn.jpg)
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Is that .45 ACP at the bottom of the first photo? Damn!
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
Tomorrow's a good day. Then take pictures.
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Is that .45 ACP at the bottom of the first photo? Damn!
9mm. But it's still a damned impressive difference.
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
Tomorrow's a good day. Then take pictures.
But there are pictures of it right there. :(
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Oh! and this one is the best size comparison:
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/Small_and_LARGE.jpg)
The little one is a five shot NAA .22
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
Tomorrow's a good day. Then take pictures.
But there are pictures of it right there. :(
I'm not talking about just the gun.
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
Tomorrow's a good day. Then take pictures.
But there are pictures of it right there. :(
I'm not talking about just the gun.
What exactly would you like me to do with the gun in the pictures?
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
Tomorrow's a good day. Then take pictures.
But there are pictures of it right there. :(
I'm not talking about just the gun.
What exactly would you like me to do with the gun in the pictures?
Hide it somewhere?
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Ooo...shiny. I want to get one someday. :D
Tomorrow's a good day. Then take pictures.
But there are pictures of it right there. :(
I'm not talking about just the gun.
What exactly would you like me to do with the gun in the pictures?
Um, point it at a target and shoot it, preferably.
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Just because I feel like it: A bonus gun, earlier than expected.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/P-380.jpg)
Davis arms makes guns out of old tuna cans that cost $75-$100 and are "Pretty crappy"
Good for emergencies and stuff, and no one will ever steal it from you.
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I won't lie. That 460 Magnum is a cool gun.
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speaking of cheap guns, I got this little guy for 95$ tax included, it came with 2 mags, leather holster, and a box of ammo...it was pretty sweet working a gun shop
its a makarov 380 made by baikal(russian), a bulgarian one would have been nicer, but it works just as well
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p134/mrapplecastle/DCFC0002-1.jpg)
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I want a Mak. I hear they're really accurate, what's your experience with it?
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its worked really well, I havent shot it as much some of my other guns, but I've never had a problem with it
I really like it cause I was able to get the 380, I prefer it because the ammo is more common
the 9x18 is pretty sweet since its powerful and cheap...as long as you have gunshop near to buy it from
you probably shouldnt pay more than 200 bucks for one...even a bulgarian model
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I won't lie. That 460 Magnum is a cool gun.
Told you.
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From Slashdot.org -- First Armed Robots on Patrol in Iraq (http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/08/02/2253205.shtml) --
Robots have been roaming Iraq (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.11/bomb.html) since shortly after the war began. Now, for the first time -- the first time in any war zone -- the bots are carrying guns (http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/08/httpwwwnational.html). The SWORDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster-Miller_TALON#SWORDS) robots, armed with M249 machine guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_Squad_Automatic_Weapon), "haven't fired their weapons yet," an Army official says. "But that'll be happening soon." The machines have actually been ready for a while, but safety concerns kept them off the battlefield. Now, the robots have kill switches, so "now we can kill the unit if it goes crazy," according to the Army. I feel safer already.
(DIGG (http://www.digg.com/hardware/First_Fully_Armed_Robots_Patrolling_in_Iraq_First_Shots_Imminent_PICS) and click the story for details & pics.)
The American soldiers have long been faceless killing machines, but they're about to become much cheaper to produce and replace. How long until similar robots will be sent in against people like Ed Brown? Or even people like John Shaw?
The commies have won. There is nothing we can do about that. Now is the time to give up on the cause of freedom, and find a different hobby. Perhaps instead of guns you could collect rare stamps or breed tropical fish?
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The American soldiers have long been faceless killing machines, but they're about to become much cheaper to produce and replace. How long until similar robots will be sent in against people like Ed Brown? Or even people like John Shaw?
What will they come for me for? My guns? They can have every pistol I own. They are all legal and registered, and therefore fair game. However, rifles are not registered in any way in the state of Michigan. There are no records, of any kind, anywhere, showing what rifles I own.
The commies have won. There is nothing we can do about that. Now is the time to give up on the cause of freedom, and find a different hobby. Perhaps instead of guns you could collect rare stamps or breed tropical fish?
Fuck that and fuck you. I'm tired of your depressing shit. Go delete your account again or something. Or even better:
Quit fucking shitting on my goddamn gun threads you sonofabitch! Do you understand? STOP IT.
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The commies have won. There is nothing we can do about that. Now is the time to give up on the cause of freedom, and find a different hobby.
Then go get in the breadline down at welfare central. You find one person you can convince, and convince them. When solitary people like yourself start giving up, that's when people get frustrated. (Edit:)When you can't find one person you know that is open minded enough to listen, then you can no longer be an activist.(end edit.)
Until then, never say die.
Or, how John said it.
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Johnshawpissedoffyellingatmeinlargefontexplosiveorgasm!
Oh man, that was priceless!
Same place next week?
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aii ya...
Seriously Shaw, keep doing this thread. It's neat.
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aii ya...
Seriously Shaw, keep doing this thread. It's neat.
Oh, hon, nothing is gonna stop me. I'm gonna put up another image at some point tonight. I may well start posting a couple a day though, because I get impatient.
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Johnshawpissedoffyellingatmeinlargefontexplosiveorgasm!
Oh man, that was priceless!
Same place next week?
Fuck off you goon.
Even that piece of shit gun John posted earlier is worth more than your life.
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Entry for 08/03/2007 - Smith & Wesson Model 60
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/Model60.jpg)
The Model 60 started production in 1965. It has the distinction of being the first stainless steel revolver ever made. It is based on the design of the Chief's Special, one of the first J Frame guns. (J frame meaning the smallest revolver frame Smith & Wesson makes.)
In the 1990's they started making them a little thicker, and changed the caliber from .38 Special to .38 Special/.357 magnum. Mine is from 1979 and only does .38 Special.
Tiny and powerful, and has that cool assed S&W revolver look to it. (I think that they make the best looking revolvers on the market.) It also looks pimped out with the laser shooting out of it. Hard to see in the photo, look for the red dot next to my fingers at the top of the grip.
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Entry #2 for 08/03/2007 - Ruger 22/45
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/22-45.jpg)
The world's best practice gun, so far as I'm concerned. The ten shot magazines are about twelve bucks a piece, and you can get 500 rounds of ammo for about the same price. Nothing is cheaper or more fun to shoot at the range than this little pea shooter. I don't even count .22 for ammo expense, and I probably shoot a couple hundred rounds a month through it.
It has the same grip angle and nearly the same weight as a 1911, so it's nearly perfect for getting used to the more powerful gun without blowing huge coin on .45ACP non stop. Often considered the "1911 practice gun." Only one major difference: Comparing the difference in recoil. :P
I've shot five inch groups at 25 yards with this pistol, from a bag, and it could probably do better with a better pistol shooter than me.
This gun and the Ruger 10/22 (Which will be listed later.) are the two best "First" guns to get any young person who wants to learn to shoot. Twenty five years later and I still shoot them.
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This gun and the Ruger 10/22 (Which will be listed later.) are the two best "First" guns to get any young person who wants to learn to shoot.
Really?
A semi-auto rifle and a heavy semi-auto pistol?
:lol:
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Really?
A semi-auto rifle and a heavy semi-auto pistol?
:lol:
Yes, really. Almost every gun person I know started off with a Ruger 10/22 or a Winchester (RIP) or a Remington.
http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/rifle_040405/
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http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/rifle_040405/
I don't care about hunting.
I would stick with a single shot rifle, and for a handgun, a revolver that isn't heavy.....but that is just me.
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Entry for 08/04/2007 - Springfield XD Subcompacts, Black and Stainless.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/XDb.jpg)
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/XDs.jpg)
GLOCK move over! Springfield Armory licensed and imports these guns from HS Produkt, formerly I.M. Metal, in Croatia of all places.
They do everything a GLOCK does, just as well, and have more/better stuff on them:
1911 Grip angle
1911 style grip safety
Loaded Chamber indicator
Cock indicator
Ambidextrous mag release
Sig style takedown lever
Sig style sights (Sig sights can be used on them)
Tactical rail
Sights and trigger are made of steel, unlike the GLOCK.
Steel magazines
We dig these guns and trust them enough to be our primary carry guns. My wife liked mine (The stainless one) so much that she went out and bought the black one the same day she shot mine.
They can handle the same sort of rough treatment that a GLOCK can, which is really impressive. Here's a link to the XD torture test.
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.php
And apart from all that stuff, they have an appealing look. Sort of like a bulldog. And if eleven rounds of 9mm in a gun that small doesn't impress, you can use the grip extension magazine that does 16 +1. :shock: Lot's of firepower for a little gun.
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I really want an XD. That's the first handgun I'm going to get for sure.
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Entry #2 for 08/04/2007 - You know it, you love it: The Smith & Wesson Model 460v
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/460v.jpg)
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"
Harry Callahan was already mistaken when he said that famous line in 1971. The most powerful handgun in the world at the time was the .454 Casull*, which had been around since 1957. However, the .44 magnum was definitely better known and more popular.
Americans don't screw around when it comes to what they like. The semi free market that we have will do its best to fulfill the needs of just about every weird kink we have. When it comes to guns, Americans are no different. We like the biggest and best we can afford. We like showing off what we create for ourselves. Companies fill that gap.
The Smith 460, and its bigger brother, the 500, are the results of an overwhelming desire for people to be able to fight off a bear, buffalo, elephant, rhinoceros, alien invasion, dinosaur attack, or army of fifty foot women.
The X frame, that S&W bases these guns on, is huge. Depending on the barrel these revolvers can be between four and six pounds. (An M15 rife weighs around the same amount, to give you an idea.)
The X frames were sort of an apology to the American people for pussying out to Bill Clinton and putting locks on their guns after legal threats in the early nineties. They're big, (again) loud, and powerful. You can't comfortably carry one as a side arm, (Although it can be done.) and concealing one would be rather silly.
The 460 can shoot 200 grain (Pretty big) rounds at up to 2300 feet per second and has chamber pressures of around 63000 PSI. This isn't really a handgun, it's a rifle that happens to not look like one.
I call mine Mjolnir, named after the hammer of Thor.
*You could basically call it a .45 Magnum. They took a .45 Colt revolver round and magnumized it. The .460 Magnum is the same round, only longer and more potent. It's sort of a .45 Magnum Magnum.
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or army of fifty foot women.
Now why on Earth would you want to go and do that for?
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Why the 460 and not the 500? Too big of a bang?
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Why the 460 and not the 500? Too big of a bang?
The 460 is a slightly smaller bullet, but has a more powerful charge. It's actually got a harder kick. But the real reason is that with the 460, you also can shoot .454 Casull, and regular .45 Long Colt out of them. Makes going to the range a lot cheaper.
And with the 500, you can only shoot .500 magnum or .500 special, which both cost the same, at almost three bucks a pop. And the 500 shoots heavier rounds at a shorter range of accuracy. Slightly better for shooting/killing elephants than the 460, but worse at just about anything else.
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Why the 460 and not the 500? Too big of a bang?
The 460 is a slightly smaller bullet, but has a more powerful charge. It's actually got a harder kick. But the real reason is that with the 460, you also can shoot .454 Casull, and regular .45 Long Colt out of them. Makes going to the range a lot cheaper.
And with the 500, you can only shoot .500 magnum or .500 special, which both cost the same, at almost three bucks a pop. And the 500 shoots heavier rounds at a shorter range of accuracy. Slightly better for shooting/killing elephants than the 460, but worse at just about anything else.
Ah, good to know. They have both in the same display case at the local gunshop in those emergency kits.
But yeah, cheaper and versatile...
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Hey John,
how much would one of those Ruger .22's cost? I really like the shape of it. I don't know much about guns, living in urban Ontario. I've shot a "410" and a bigger shotgun, that belonged to my uncle. It's not easy to get guns around here unless you are a gangster...Ontario is currently planning on banning all hand guns.
If I ever get a gun, it's gonna be one of these Ruger .22s. I think it is german design...no???
Actually, Ruger is an American. Luger was the German one.
The 22/45 (The newest version is the Mark III)
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Rimfire%20Autoloading&famlst=54&variation=Bull%20Barrel
You can get them new for around $350 bucks.
Just be careful of the internal slide. They can pinch the shit out of your hand if you're not careful. :(
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Thanks fer the info, John. I have one more question. Was the classic Ruger design based on the classic Luger design, or was that design of pistol just a common thing among many companies???
They look slightly similar, but operate in completely different ways. There is no slide on the outside of the Ruger. There is sort of a plug in the back, and all of the moving parts of the slide are inside the gun and pop out of the back during the firing. The Luger had a slide on the outside that was a sheath around the barrel, just like most semiautos you're familiar with, only with a hinged arm that bends in half.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1111190/2/istockphoto_1111190_luger_08.jpg)
(http://snowman.ascuk.net/luger_005.jpg)
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Thanks John. BTW The only "gun" I own is some department store pump rifle bb gun. I'm thinking of getting a hand gun bb gun, cuz they are easy to buy. Getting a proper gun license might happen in the future..I don't know what else to say without cheapening the thread. You made a good thread...keep going. I will continue to check out this thread.
Thanks! Feel free to ask questions about anything and I'll try to help out.
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Even though they don't pack a whallop, the Ruger 22/45 is a nice gun. Extremely accurate.
I was at an outdoor range once, and this old guy at the next bench had one, and big boxes of ammo, accessories, tools, trinkets, you name it. So, he says "C'mere, boyah, try this'un." It was the Ruger 22, with a big fat optical luminous red dot scope on it, about as fat as a toilet paper tube, which contained two overlapping dots if I remember correctly. No clue about the magnification, maybe 5X maybe 10X. Whatever it was, it worked great.
The recoil is literally nothing, like getting high-fived by a 5 year old, and it was tricked out, mods on the trigger pull there was almost no resistance to the trigger at all, it would just snap by touching it. When you would cock it after putting a fresh clip in, it made this "schwing-schwing" noise when you drew back on the slide and released it, the thing was very loose all around, well balanced and expertly kept and maintained.
So, after a few practice shots which are often hesitant when you've got an unfamiliar weapon in your hands, it became like an extention of my arm, hitting everything I pointed at, I was hitting soda cans at well over a hundred feet away, because of that scope. Sure, you're still missing every other one, but on the first try, thats still good. The bench was probably twenty yards away from the target stand, and the mountain behind it had to be thirty feet beyond. Fuckin thing was cool. Quite the difference when you're firing a short pistol with open sights at a silouhette and half arent even staying in the center mass.
They'd make a good varmint gun with hollowpoints in it. Say what you want about small calibers, you still dont want to get whacked five times with one.
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GLOCK move over! Springfield Armory licensed and imports these guns from HS Produkt, formerly I.M. Metal, in Croatia of all places.
They do everything a GLOCK does, just as well, and have more/better stuff on them:
1911 Grip angle
1911 style grip safety
Loaded Chamber indicator
Cock indicator
Ambidextrous mag release
Sig style takedown lever
Sig style sights (Sig sights can be used on them)
Tactical rail
Sights and trigger are made of steel, unlike the GLOCK.
Steel magazines
Springfields are SA, unlike a Glock which is DAO
a SA pistol that doesnt have a exposed hammer is not a good idea IMO
not say that I have ever heard of a springfield accidently going off, but still
oh, I would rather have a springfield in .45 than a glock in .45...the glock in .45 feels like you're holding a 2x4 in your hand
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Springfields are SA, unlike a Glock which is DAO
a SA pistol that doesnt have a exposed hammer is not a good idea IMO
not say that I have ever heard of a springfield accidently going off, but still
oh, I would rather have a springfield in .45 than a glock in .45...the glock in .45 feels like you're holding a 2x4 in your hand
It's a little more complicated than that, when it comes to actual functionality, but yes, they're "Single Action" in the sense that the final cock doesn't happen at the trigger pull. Having said that, the striker block doesn't move out of the way unless your hand is both depressing the grip safety, and your finger is pulling the trigger.
Snippet from Guns and Ammo:
Defining The XD
The XD is correctly classified as a single-action design, meaning it is fully cocked by racking the slide. Most single-action autos have manual safeties, but the XD's Croatian designers eliminated the need for such safeties by adopting the Glock-type trigger safety as well as an internal firing-pin block. They also added a grip safety. The XD is a very safe design, but its single-action designation has confused some.
The XD is a true single-action internally but externally operates more like a double-action-only handgun. There are no manual safeties to disengage beforehand, and the trigger takeup has the feel of a light (very light) double-action pull before reaching a final single-action release. OK, I'll say it. The XD operates like a Glock with a grip safety. As with the Glock, the trigger design does not fit any traditional classification, so Springfield coined its own terminology and dubbed it the USA (Ultra Safety Assurance) trigger safety.
In recent years double-action-only autos have become popular with police, or at least with those who decide what police carry. They combine the firepower of an autoloader with the safety of a double-action trigger pull. The XD may have suffered somewhat due to the fact that some law enforcement agencies have dismissed the single-action auto as too error-prone for large-scale issue. Fortunately, most knowledgeable armorers do understand the excellent safety features built into the XD, so any setbacks in the police market are minimal.
Inside The XD
The XD is a single-action design in that the trigger does not cock the striker. But the XD trigger does perform more than a single function, as do many other modern single-action designs. When the trigger is pressed, the trigger bar moves forward, and a lever in the frame pivots upward, disengaging the striker block. It's important to note that this disengagement occurs during the final stage of the trigger release. The striker-safety lever moves up in unison with the sear release. This means the long takeup of the trigger serves no mechanical function. The long pull does enhance safety, however, and performs much the same as a two-stage military-rifle trigger.
The safety lever on the trigger and the grip safety are simple and effective blocking devices. At rest, the nose of the trigger lever butts against a steel block in the frame, preventing the trigger from being depressed without first pressing the trigger safety. Likewise, the grip safety blocks the sear from moving downward and releasing the striker until the safety is depressed. The grip safety also prevents the slide from being racked.
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Yeah I know, the glock has all the same safeties, except the grip safety
but I have to have something to try and make myself believe that the glock is superior
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the taurus 24/7 is a good one too, at around 100$ cheaper than a springfield or glock
(http://www.taurustactical.com/images/imagesMain/247-40BP-10.jpg)
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the taurus 24/7 is a good one too, at around 100$ cheaper than a springfield or glock
(http://www.taurustactical.com/images/imagesMain/247-40BP-10.jpg)
My dad is obsessed with that gun.
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Entry #2 for 08/04/2007 - You know it, you love it: The Smith & Wesson Model 460v
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/460v.jpg)
What the hell is your finger doing on the trigger?!
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the taurus 24/7 is a good one too, at around 100$ cheaper than a springfield or glock
(http://www.taurustactical.com/images/imagesMain/247-40BP-10.jpg)
My dad is obsessed with that gun.
I think it's ugly as sin.
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What the hell is your finger doing on the trigger?!
It's pressed against the side of of the trigger and the ball of it is hanging over the edge. I am not handling it improperly. You are only seeing a third of the tip of my finger. Also, you can plainly see in the image (And when I was taking it, through the camera LCD) that the cylinder is unloaded. Remember that that is an eleven pound pull double action. The weight of the entire gun will not pull that trigger to stage one even. I've tested this. Also, in every photo I take, there is a five gallon bucket of sand about two feet in front of the gun on a table.
If you look carefully at the edge of the trigger above and below my finger, you will see that it's barely overlapping.
<<<Safety first>>>
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Did anyone else watch "Arrested Development," only to have it ripped away just as you got into it?
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Did your FOX affiliate go off the air or something?
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Did anyone else watch "Arrested Development," only to have it ripped away just as you got into it?
I just bought the DVDs. It was taken from all of us too soon. G4 was running it in syndication for awhile.
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Ah, I see.
Fox cancels all their good shows. I need to watch the last two episodes of Drive--they were never aired, but are on the show's Myspace page.
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Ah, I see.
Fox cancels all their good shows. I need to watch the last two episodes of Drive--they were never aired, but are on the show's Myspace page.
Yes I believe it was they who not only canceled Firefly, but aired the shows out of sequence.
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Yep. They're totally incapable of running a show that doesn't suck and isn't American Idol (which also sucks). I used to like Bones and House, but now I don't even try to watch them.
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So we have...
-The House of Booze
-The Gun O' The Day
Where's the Daily Sexual Perversion thread?
This can't be a real libertarian board without the Holy Trinity of Harmful Shit
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Well then, start one!
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Well then, start one!
You should, it would throw the whole board into chaos.
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
You would just be the keeper. Everyone else would supply the content.
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Every thread is a sexual perversion thread.
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Every thread is a sexual perversion thread.
Thats because you're always horny.
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It does seem to end up that way. Hopefully Shaw doesn't get too mad at us for hijacking his thread.
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Every thread is a sexual perversion thread.
Thats because you're always horny.
Not always. Just especially so these past few weeks.
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It does seem to end up that way. Hopefully Shaw doesn't get too mad at us for hijacking his thread.
Yeah, I don't wanna do that. I like Shaw. We have the House for meaningless conversation.
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To the House, then!
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I wasn't trying to hijack it. That was just my clever way of saying I had gotten in the habit of looking forward to seeing what guns had been posted each day, but Mr. Shaw had, unfortunately, inexplicably stopped.
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I wasn't saying that you hijacked the thread, but the discussion, as usual...evolved. I was wondering where the Gun O' The Day posts went as well.
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Here ya go, Shaw.
(http://www.freemarketjournal.com/Images/100_1849.JPG)
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Just been busy listing three properties and getting two houses ready to sell. I haven't forgotten or anything.
Adherence to priorities = Money + New Home.
Maybe later on tonight I'll catch up some.
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
Would you like to learn?
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
Would you like to learn?
ROFL. :lol:
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
Would you like to learn?
Watch out, he supports Ed Brown.
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v63/36/51/706170248/n706170248_207621_3306.jpg)
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
Would you like to learn?
My husbands and wife may not like that so much...
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Alright, gonna mix it up a bit with some rifles. Three tonight.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/009_-_FN-FAL.jpg)
One of the most underrated rifles in the world, IMHO. Yes, it's heavy, and old, and heavy, (They're all converted .308/7.62X51 machine guns and are just as heavy as they look.) but with a little love and care these babies pack a hell of a punch and a hell of a long range. Mine is set up in an unusual way. It's basically a well disguised hunting* rifle, post upgrades. I have a floated, deep freezed (Cryogenic accuratization) match barrel on the thing, and a 40x scope on it. For something as big and lunky as this thing, (Notice the big assed carrying handle on the side.) people are usually surprised at the range when I peg a sub minute-of-hair grouping on a 45 year old machine gun at 100 yards.
It has a cheezy thumbhole stock because I like them, and it's what was on the thing when my wife bought me the gun.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/010_-_M-14.jpg)
I always wanted an M-14, and here it is. They're as rugged as hell, nearly impossible to make dirty enough to stop working, and accurate as hell. Mine was built to specification
by LRB in Long Island. They do anything from mall ninja machine gun looking M-14's to ones that look like someone went back in time and bought a brand new one from Springfield Armory. Mine is the latter, but with all new stuff, full forged parts, all the goodies. Looks old, shoots new. Some days I like to shoot .308 out of a gun that weighs 2/3 less than the FN-FAL. This is that gun.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/011_-_YugoSKS.jpg)
The SKS is another underdog. Melissa bought this Yugoslavian one for me just because she loves me, and knew I wanted to have one around. I ninja'd it up a bit. They're great, durable, all around guns that cost next to nothing (Under $200) and eat 7.62x39 like popcorn. Mine has the silly grenade launcher and bayonet for stabby stabby time. This is one of those rifles that everyone should have. It's not too heavy, shoots a decent round, accurate enough for hunting or SHTF issues, and you can almost guarantee it will never break if you take care of it. Caveat: Get used to the stripper clips, or get an actual high cap SKS magazine if 10 shots isn't good enough for you. Don't get one of those AK magazine conversion jobs. They never work properly.
*I use the term "Hunting" very loosely. It's very accurate for whatever, is what I mean.
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That poor FAL. It deserves better furniture than that.
I've never heard of cryo-accurizing, how's that work?
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That poor FAL. It deserves better furniture than that.
I've never heard of cryo-accurizing, how's that work?
Basically they take a metal part down to -300 degrees Fahrenheit for a period of a couple days, and and then bring it back up slowly. It's a hardening treatment.
What it does is sort of the opposite of the reaction you get when a tapered barrel gets really hot and warps. The piece of metal "Wants" to be the shape it was forged at, and flexes/bends/twists in odd ways when heated due to imperfections/irregularities in the steel. Making steel that cold shrinks the entire piece of steel and essentially tightens and compresses the metal, and increases the number of steel/carbon/nickel/whatever molecular bonds. It's not super cheap, but it actually works, unlike a lot of gimmicks out there.
It has a similar effect to melonite/tennifer metal hardening but doesn't just effect the surface of the metal, and doesn't help resist rust.
http://www.300below.com/site/barrel_process.html
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Haha, except I don't know anything about sexual perversion, remember?
Would you like to learn?
My husbands and wife may not like that so much...
Well, then, leave them at home.
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Update for 08-14-2007
Sorry for the delay. Four tonight, more later. ;-)
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/012_-_Savage17.jpg)
The .17 Hornady Magnum Round is pretty new (2002) and really neat. They took a .22 Magnum, and necked it down like a little tiny rifle round. They're super accurate and pack a fairly mean punch, for a bullet a little thicker than a fat pencil lead. This one is a varmint exploder, no doubt about it.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/013_-_Ruger10-22.jpg)
The king of .22LR! There's a million goofy custom parts and stuff to get for this old favorite. Everybody should have a 10/22. You can shoot all day and not feel pain in the wallet. And with proper fine tuning, they're as accurate as hell. Don't let anyone tell you that .22LR is a harmless round, either. In recent years the IDF has been using a suppressed 10/22 variant for quiet sniping.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/014_-_Mossberg500.jpg)
Another classic. A good old fashioned 12 gauge pump action shotgun. Black plastic flavored furniture for extra tacticool/mall ninja styling. Makes holes in things real good with the right rounds. We use this one for home defense. *Cliche* Racking it makes criminals pee. *Cliche*
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/015_-_Mossberg835.jpg)
A little more advanced version of the same thing. The 835 shoots 3 1/2 inch shells for extra fun, and mine has good old fashioned wood everything, just for variety. The long assed barrel makes for some serious accuracy while shooting birds/clay.
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08-15-2007
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/016_-_Mini14.jpg)
The scary gun that the gun grabbers never grabbed, until the A-Team came on the air. The Mini 14 is functionally identical to the AR-15 type rifles out there, but not as scary looking because of the wood furniture. The action is a reduced size version of the M-14 action. Very reliable and easy to maintain, just like the M-14, only it uses the .223 instead of .308, making it quite a bit lighter.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/017_-_Weatherby460.jpg)
For when you absolutely need to kill any living thing on Earth or beneath the sea. The .460 Weatherby round is made for killing elephants, rhinoceroses, killer whales, and Gozer the Gozarian. Do not shoot unless you know how to handle magnum powered rifles! I've seen six foot, 250lb men fall on their ass because they didn't know how to handle a real rifle. For guns geeks, a .460 Weatherby shoots a 500 grain round at 2600 feet per second! Zombies with four inch thick titanium plated skullcaps run away from this thing. It fires the power of Cthulhu, Moses, Tron, and Chuck Norris out of its barrel.
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Hey John, is she a super freak?
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Hey John, is she a super freak?
She is indeed.
What?
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Dude, does Melissa shave her armpits?
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Dude, does Melissa shave her armpits?
Does she look French to you? Of course she does.
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I think he's trying to figure how to politely ask for a wad of armpit hair.
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I think he's trying to figure how to politely ask for a wad of armpit hair.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/john.jpg) ( :shock: )
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<<< Sad that he posted one of the most exotic rifles he owns to the thread and no one noticed or commented.
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<<< Sad that he posted one of the most exotic rifles he owns to the thread and no one noticed or commented.
I will be jealous of everything you post until June of 2009.
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<<< Sad that he posted one of the most exotic rifles he owns to the thread and no one noticed or commented.
I will be jealous of everything you post until June of 2009.
It won't be long. Chin up, little skipper!
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you have restored my will to visit the bbs
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<<< Sad that he posted one of the most exotic rifles he owns to the thread and no one noticed or commented.
It is nice, to bad I see no purpose in actually owning one.
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It is nice, to bad I see no purpose in actually owning one.
Other than it's fun to own and shoot? :P
One mans hobby is another mans waste of money.
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<<< Sad that he posted one of the most exotic rifles he owns to the thread and no one noticed or commented.
The Weatherby?
Its slick.
I like the Mini14, always did. Might get one next summer, or go to Vegas. Or both.
Heres a funny:
An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City. At least 175 people were slaughtered on Tuesday and more than 200 wounded when four suicide truck bombs targeted people from an ancient religious sect in northern Iraq, officials said.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2056/captsgekvv8614080721235uf7.jpg)
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You should replace the plastic trigger guard/housing and saftey switch on the Mossberg 500 to the metal one that the 590 uses. Ninjas also need ghost ring sights...and folding stocks. And a heat sheild, even tho the only thing it does is make the gun harder to clean.
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Heres a funny:
An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City. At least 175 people were slaughtered on Tuesday and more than 200 wounded when four suicide truck bombs targeted people from an ancient religious sect in northern Iraq, officials said.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2056/captsgekvv8614080721235uf7.jpg)
Somebody was throwing cartridges at that poor woman's house!? Those bastards.
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You should replace the plastic trigger guard/housing and saftey switch on the Mossberg 500 to the metal one that the 590 uses. Ninjas also need ghost ring sights...and folding stocks. And a heat sheild, even tho the only thing it does is make the gun harder to clean.
I do have the pistol grip, but I never use it because I plan on hitting things when I aim the gun. Does that count?
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Using a shotgun, you should be able to hit things with your eyes closed. :P
At close ranges, you can shoot from the hip.
Pistol grip, because every gun I own should have a pistol grip.
But you almost need a fore grip one too, unless you have a stock. With slugs, at least. If you are just shooting the locks off of doors, the pistol grip will be ok. But I still like the folding stock.
The first gun I got was a used mossberg 500, and I sent it to mossberg about a year ago and put the pistol grip on it cus that makes it eaiser to ship. I think they replaced the bolt, and put in the metal saftey and trigger housing. Anyway, when I got around to testing it, I was at an indoor range, and could only use slugs, and it still had just the pistol grip. It was only 2 3/4" shells, but my hand got messed up. I think I only shot it 10 times. The target was close, and I could hit it, but it messed up my hand. After I shot it, I couldn't even shot my 9mm handgun very well. I didn't feel the pain till the next day, and my hand hurt for a month after that. I think something got ripped.
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pistol grips on shotguns...meh
the best thing you could add to your shoty would be a limbsaver recoil pad
(http://www.limbsaver.com/Products/Images/jump_chart.jpg)
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pistol grips on shotguns...meh
the best thing you could add to your shoty would be a limbsaver recoil pad
We were joking around about mall ninjas. Those comments are not to be taken seriously.
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pistol grips on shotguns...meh
But when I see a Benelli M4, it makes me happy.
(http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/images/m4Silos.jpg)
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video presents the Izmash Weapons Factory, responsible for manufacture of famous Kalashnikov Assault Rifle, Dragunov Sniper Rifle, Bizon SMG and the newest weapon of Russian arsenal: The sophisticated Nikonov AN-94 Assault Rifle
(http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ab_1187234575)
this the company that makes your rifle also josh
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pistol grips on shotguns...meh
But when I see a Benelli M4, it makes me happy.
(http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/images/m4Silos.jpg)
yes
here a some heavily modified Izmash/saiga ak style shotguns
(http://www.tromix.com/images/8inchLage3w.jpg)
(http://www.coltcco.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/6inch8inch.jpg)
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I was goning to convert a pre-ban AK to a all black krinkov back in 2002. I got the tax stamp for a SBR, but then everything got all fucked up with the gunsmith. I ended up selling the AK before the ban expired, and sold the krink part kit. I sent the tax stamp back to the BATF and asked for a refund. Nine months went by and I didn't get a response, so I sent a letter, with a copy of the tax stamp. The reply I got back said they needed the original tax stamp. I explained in the letter that I had sent the orignal tax stamp nine months earlier. I even had signiture confirmation for all mail, and included that in the letter too. I guess they didn't read the letter. Anyway, I always forget about this, and it still isn't resolved.
So I am wondering if I should just register one of my AR-15s as an SBR, and just get a new upper, or should I live out the dream and build a SBR AK?
I wanted the SBR for the NinjaCam crap, and I am just getting around to wanting it. Five years later.
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Anyway, when I got around to testing it, I was at an indoor range, and could only use slugs, and it still had just the pistol grip. It was only 2 3/4" shells, but my hand got messed up. I think I only shot it 10 times. The target was close, and I could hit it, but it messed up my hand. After I shot it, I couldn't even shot my 9mm handgun very well. I didn't feel the pain till the next day, and my hand hurt for a month after that. I think something got ripped.
No shit. There went my dreams of being a Terminator-esque vigilante with a motorcycle and a pistol grip shotgun.
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I was goning to convert a pre-ban AK to a all black krinkov back in 2002. I got the tax stamp for a SBR, but then everything got all fucked up with the gunsmith. I ended up selling the AK before the ban expired, and sold the krink part kit. I sent the tax stamp back to the BATF and asked for a refund. Nine months went by and I didn't get a response, so I sent a letter, with a copy of the tax stamp. The reply I got back said they needed the original tax stamp. I explained in the letter that I had sent the orignal tax stamp nine months earlier. I even had signiture confirmation for all mail, and included that in the letter too. I guess they didn't read the letter. Anyway, I always forget about this, and it still isn't resolved.
So I am wondering if I should just register one of my AR-15s as an SBR, and just get a new upper, or should I live out the dream and build a SBR AK?
I wanted the SBR for the NinjaCam crap, and I am just getting around to wanting it. Five years later.
I'm not brave enough to draw attention by going out and getting into NFA stuff.
Squirt guns are cool, don't get me wrong, but there's no way I'd want to have an ATF audit.
Besides, in the unlikely event of a SHTF, burst mode/squirt guns really aren't that useful. Give me an accurate, reliable semi any day.
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Besides, in the unlikely event of a SHTF, burst mode/squirt guns really aren't that useful. Give me an accurate, reliable semi any day.
After playing with them I would concur. I think a minigun is about the only thing that's really useful, cause at least you can keep it on target. Those choppers get uncontrollable real quick. Burst mode, maybe...
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I think I would only want a .22, cus that is the only ammo I would want to squirt, and just for fun. Don't some people have full auto 10/22s?
Belt fed, with a bipod/tripod, would be nice, if it was free. Tracking targets..... 8)
The tommy gun is supposed to be the shit....mmmmm.... I would like to try one out.
Even with full auto, it's all about bursts.
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I'm not brave enough to draw attention by going out and getting into NFA stuff.
I should clairify. I didn't get a tax stamp, a company I am the president of did. 8)
I'm the president of Another Dimension.
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08-20-2007
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/018_-_WASR10plusChucklehead.jpg)
Today we have a visitor! Charlie wanted to get in on the act, and was loving on the magazine. Charlie gets what he wants.
This is a WASR-10 AK-47 knockoff. They do everything a real AK does minus select mode for three hundred bones. This one is a double stack model. Everyone knows a lot about these guns so there's not really much to say other than they always work, just as advertised. Fair aim, never wears out, built like a brick, design stolen from American and German guns. (Garand and StG44, respectively.)
Every person who worries about a SHTF scenario should have one of these. Charlie the cat agrees.
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What is the best AK out there? There's like a million to pick from.
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Mind you that this is total opinion.
Grand Prize: Valmet
http://www.valmetweapons.com/
1 Tie: Russian/Bulgarian
2 North Korean (accurate as sin)
3 Hungarian
4 Romanian
5 Yugoslavian
6 East German
7 Iraqi
8 Tie Chinese/Egyptian-both have problems that I don't like from time to time.
9 Polish
Keep in mind that Internet Quality <> Real Quality.
Most AK clones are damned good. Don't let people fool you. You've seen how much money I have into guns, and I chose to buy a cheapassed Century. That will give you my opinion better than anything else. Mine is Romanian, BTW.
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Thank you, kind sir.
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Thank you, kind sir.
Sure thing!
My advice, go to the nearest Dunham's and buy the $299 special after looking at the gas assembly and making sure it's not canted to one side.
You'll be perfectly happy.
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Thank you, kind sir.
Sure thing!
My advice, go to the nearest Dunham's and buy the $299 special after looking at the gas assembly and making sure it's not canted to one side.
You'll be perfectly happy.
The guy in the flea market has a nice looking "pistol" model.
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90% sure its this one, and he's got it for $550:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=324
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The guy in the flea market has a nice looking "pistol" model.
Those are awesome looking but kinda hard to aim. Shoot one before you decide for sure.
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Thank you, kind sir.
Sure thing!
My advice, go to the nearest Dunham's and buy the $299 special after looking at the gas assembly and making sure it's not canted to one side.
You'll be perfectly happy.
The guy in the flea market has a nice looking "pistol" model.
2009. :(
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The guy in the flea market has a nice looking "pistol" model.
Those are awesome looking but kinda hard to aim. Shoot one before you decide for sure.
I bet they are. But I wouldn't necessarily be buying it for "aiming" situations.
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I bet they are. But I wouldn't necessarily be buying it for "aiming" situations.
Fair enough. They're a hell of a lot of fun, no matter what you use it for.
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I wouldn't mind the short barrel so much, but would want a collapsable stock on it.
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I wouldn't mind the short barrel so much, but would want a collapsable stock on it.
Agreed. You're only going to get so much accuracy out of the thing to begin with. They're made for 300 yards or less. (Really 250 in my opinion.)
It's a trade off between loose part tolerances and exceptional reliability, or highly accurately machined parts and good accuracy. The AK is a loose parts reliable gun.
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I would want a folding stock, but then it would be an SBR.
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I wouldn't mind the short barrel so much, but would want a collapsable stock on it.
Agreed. You're only going to get so much accuracy out of the thing to begin with. They're made for 300 yards or less. (Really 250 in my opinion.)
It's a trade off between loose part tolerances and exceptional reliability, or highly accurately machined parts and good accuracy. The AK is a loose parts reliable gun.
Its interesting to hear all the abuse stories of what an AK can take, sand and mud and muck. I wonder if that was just a bonus in the design because of the soviet ineptitude in machine works, or if K developed it with those loose tolerances so parts could be swapped from different factories without any problems, plus the cold and heat expansion, grit an all that shit he expected it to be used in.
I've also heard some knock-offs have a pinned barrel, and the better ones are threaded on with a square edge on the round barrel. Supposedly, the pinned barrels are to be avoided due to the fact they can get wiggly after years of abuse and swapping between negligent owners.
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Its interesting to hear all the abuse stories of what an AK can take, sand and mud and muck. I wonder if that was just a bonus in the design because of the soviet ineptitude in machine works, or if K developed it with those loose tolerances so parts could be swapped from different factories without any problems, plus the cold and heat expansion, grit an all that shit he expected it to be used in.
I've also heard some knock-offs have a pinned barrel, and the better ones are threaded on with a square edge on the round barrel. Supposedly, the pinned barrels are to be avoided due to the fact they can get wiggly after years of abuse and swapping between negligent owners.
Don't know for sure about the barrel thing, but as for the design, like most of the Russian commie stuff, it was cribbed off of American designs, mostly.
The M1 Garand was the inspiration for most of the action of the AK, and by consequence similar to the M-14 internally. (Obviously later.) Much of the rest of the design is similar to the German StG44.
The Garand, apart from the size/caliber difference, is just as loosely designed, but more accurate because of that huge assed barrel.
But really, the AK is mostly just a smaller Garand with a different feeding mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand_rifle#Descendants
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God I need to go to the range and shoot my saiga.
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www.arsenalinc.com
www.elitefirearms.net <bought a pistol from these guys, very high quality, but didnt ever send the extra mags promised
*oh yeah, Bulgarian AKs are the best.....imo outside of US made aks
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08-21-2007 - Another exotic rifle.
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/019_-_SakoTRG21.jpg)
This is the Sako TRG-21. They don't make it anymore. Finnish. It is an actual really for real sniper rifle. And by that, what I mean is, they didn't take some other tried and true rifle and accurize it. This rifle was designed from bottom up as a sniper rifle. It has an effective range of close to 900 yards with a .308 Winchester. That's half a mile.
There's not much better out there than this, apart from some of Sako's newer guns. They aren't cheap, but you can, if you're a good shot, feel comfortable shooting medium sized game at far beyond what you'd typically accept as safe hunting ranges. (To not lose your deer, elk, whatever.) I made a base of neck shot from around 300 yards with this one and would have pulled trigger even farther, without feeling weird. (But I wouldn't have gone for a crazy trick shot.) ***
If you can afford it, and you can honestly say that you are an exceptional shot with a rifle, this is one of the best in the world. (They're close to 2500 bucks for a .308, and you can get a good Remington 700 for a third of the price, so don't waste the money unless you know you can put it to good use, or have money to burn.)*
***EDIT: It was a deer. Wanted to make that clear so Tom and NHAT don't get all sexed up about it.
*I want to make it clear that, while I am an extremely good shot with a rifle, I'm not trying to brag because if you hand me a handgun and tell me to shoot something without a scope, I can't get much better than ten yards before I totally suck the pipe. Melissa is the handgun expert, and she can keep that crown.
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you should get back into the handguns, John. I like it when you talk about the handguns. Do you have a "Mauser"??? (spelling???)
I've been mixing it up until I find a better way to photograph the handguns. (Been putting it off) I'm kinda spreading out and mixing cheap guns with whacky guns so I don't have a large run of expensive/unusual/rare guns and basically shoot my wad, and only have boring stuff left.
I only have seven more handguns, and everything else I own, (Close to forty more guns.) is a rifle. So I want to spread it out.
And nope, I don't collect many C&R guns. I have an SKS, and a couple of others waiting to be posted. No Mauser at this point. Except for the Trouser Mauser, that is. ;-)
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I'm quite happy he has moved on to the rifles. Their just funner (corse this is coming from the kid who only shot a BB gun in boy scouts). I especially enjoyed the AK segment, I've been gun shopping for a while, and they have always appealed to my taists.
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Supplemental post, in lieu of inactivity due to laziness.
Here's a rare/exotic one:
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/Mystery_Gun.jpg)
It's a Dutch Beaumont M1871/88, made in 1878. Almost 130 years old. Shoots a black powder cartridge, 11.3mm x 50mm. Pretty huge. The rounds are five bucks a pop, so it doesn't see much shooting. The brown color is actually the type of "Bluing" they used on that rifle. It isn't rust.
Normally the barrel is about a foot longer (36 inches!) but somebody, probably over 100 years ago chopped off the end, cut the wood back to the ring, and put a new front sight on it. It's now a 24 inch.
Another cool thing, the rear adjustable sight is measured in "Paces" from the target, rather than meters or yards.
The Italian style magazine was added by the original manufacturer around 1890. (It's stamped) The M1871/88 was originally a one shot, bolt action, until they retrofitted them.
Neat gun with a neat history.
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John, what gun would you recommend for ZHTF (zombies hit the fan)?
Preferably something portable, for now. Once in NH I plan on more serious preparations - remote-controlled turrets with built-in video cameras and software that automatically recognizes, tracks and shoots zombies.
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John, what gun would you recommend for ZHTF (zombies hit the fan)?
Preferably something portable, for now. Once in NH I plan on more serious preparations - remote-controlled turrets with built-in video cameras and software that automatically recognizes, tracks and shoots zombies.
.22lr.
Something like a Ruger 10/22. .22 ammo is about twelve bucks for five hundred rounds. Magazines come in up to fifty round capacity. Zombie heads are softer than human heads, so the .22 will mush a skull fairly easy.
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Supplemental post, in lieu of inactivity due to laziness.
Here's a rare/exotic one:
(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/Mystery_Gun.jpg)
It's a Dutch Beaumont M1871/88, made in 1878. Almost 130 years old. Shoots a black powder cartridge, 11.3mm x 50mm. Pretty huge. The rounds are five bucks a pop, so it doesn't see much shooting. The brown color is actually the type of "Bluing" they used on that rifle. It isn't rust.
Normally the barrel is about a foot longer (36 inches!) but somebody, probably over 100 years ago chopped off the end, cut the wood back to the ring, and put a new front sight on it. It's now a 24 inch.
Another cool thing, the rear adjustable sight is measured in "Paces" from the target, rather than meters or yards.
The Italian style magazine was added by the original manufacturer around 1890. (It's stamped) The M1871/88 was originally a one shot, bolt action, until they retrofitted them.
Neat gun with a neat history.
I have the same one in my closet, but with the original barrel. Mine was built in the Masterricht plant. All I'm missing is the extension of the cleaning rod.
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I have the same one in my closet, but with the original barrel. Mine was built in the Masterricht plant. All I'm missing is the extension of the cleaning rod.
Once we get the new house, I'm gonna plop it up over the mantle. At five bucks a pop, you should be able to kill large game. So I'm not gonna blow fat cash shooting the thing.
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I have the same one in my closet, but with the original barrel. Mine was built in the Masterricht plant. All I'm missing is the extension of the cleaning rod.
Once we get the new house, I'm gonna plop it up over the mantle. At five bucks a pop, you should be able to kill large game. So I'm not gonna blow fat cash shooting the thing.
That's exactly where mine used to live, but I don't have a mantle in this house so it's displayed in the closet.
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Is that a pinfire?
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Is that a pinfire?
I'm not really sure how the action works, to be honest. I know that they didn't actually have an extractor on them before they were modded for a magazine.
I believe it has a pin, but the way the whole assembly slides back when you chamber, it's kinda hard to tell.
(Just looked)
Yeah, there's a firing pin inside the bolt, and the rear of the bolt pulls back when cocked. (Pops forward when fired)
Very strange setup.
EDIT: Kinda dumb of me to say all of that when I knew that the cartridge was centerfire and used primers. *Duh* My bad.
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Oh, yeah, I have some cartridges for it, also. About half of them have lead bullets. The other half have wood slugs.
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Oh, yeah, I have some cartridges for it, also. About half of them have lead bullets. The other half have wood slugs.
Wood shoes, wood slugs, same difference. :shock:
I know you can get the Egyptian 11.3x50, which will work, (It's new stuff) for about fIve bucks a round.
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does it not work with normal powder? or is it just cooler to fire what it was built for?
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does it not work with normal powder? or is it just cooler to fire what it was built for?
Newer smokeless powders are too strong. You'd blow it up. Black powder is a weaker/slower expansion.
Make an Egyptian 11.3x50 with an equal amount of new stuff and you risk a face full of steel.
You could probably load it extremely lightly, but I'd say that reloading is not the place in life for experimentation, if you want to keep your guns around for a long time.
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(http://www.handgunsmag.com/accessories/HGtriple_FFG225A.jpg)
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(http://www.handgunsmag.com/accessories/HGtriple_FFG225A.jpg)
True, but if you took regular modern powder and loaded it into an 11.3x50 and fired it, it would be bad for your gun.
Modern power powder + Black powder gun = Bad for the gun, and dangerous.
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(http://tinyurl.com/2hmosd)
I loves me DE. Just plain fun fun fun. :D
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(http://home.comcast.net/~archindividual/011_-_YugoSKS.jpg)
The SKS is another underdog. Melissa bought this Yugoslavian one for me just because she loves me, and knew I wanted to have one around. I ninja'd it up a bit. They're great, durable, all around guns that cost next to nothing (Under $200) and eat 7.62x39 like popcorn. Mine has the silly grenade launcher and bayonet for stabby stabby time. This is one of those rifles that everyone should have. It's not too heavy, shoots a decent round, accurate enough for hunting or SHTF issues, and you can almost guarantee it will never break if you take care of it. Caveat: Get used to the stripper clips, or get an actual high cap SKS magazine if 10 shots isn't good enough for you. Don't get one of those AK magazine conversion jobs. They never work properly.
*I use the term "Hunting" very loosely. It's very accurate for whatever, is what I mean.
A beautiful weapon... my grampa has two, both have taken some abuse but fire amazingly. Im a big fan, cool thread by the way, glad you mentioned it.
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A beautiful weapon... my grampa has two, both have taken some abuse but fire amazingly. Im a big fan, cool thread by the way, glad you mentioned it.
The SKS is one of the best gun designs around. No doubt.
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The 460 is the gun of every day.
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The 460 is the gun of every day.
One track mind...
Well, two...
:P
Seriously though, the 460 rocks.
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The 460 is the gun of every day.
One track mind...
Well, two...
:P
Seriously though, the 460 rocks.
I guess it's one, really. That gun screams sex to me. I don't know why.
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I guess it's one, really. That gun screams sex to me. I don't know why.
It is both large and hard. O_o
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I guess it's one, really. That gun screams sex to me. I don't know why.
It is both large and hard. O_o
That wasn't it, but I can use that as my reason if someone asks me. :lol:
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I guess it's one, really. That gun screams sex to me. I don't know why.
It is both large and hard. O_o
That wasn't it, but I can use that as my reason if someone asks me. :lol:
Maybe it's because it's a beautiful piece of American ingenuity and craftsmanship. Well designed, high powered, aesthetically pleasing.
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I guess it's one, really. That gun screams sex to me. I don't know why.
It is both large and hard. O_o
That wasn't it, but I can use that as my reason if someone asks me. :lol:
Maybe it's because it's a beautiful piece of American ingenuity and craftsmanship. Well designed, high powered, aesthetically pleasing.
Closer. Maybe I do have an actual one-track mind, and everything screams sex to me.
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Closer. Maybe I do have an actual one-track mind, and everything screams sex to me.
Beauty can have a sexual draw, sometimes.
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Closer. Maybe I do have an actual one-track mind, and everything screams sex to me.
Beauty can have a sexual draw, sometimes.
Definitely.
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I have to say that's a beautiful beautiful gun. . . I'm so jealous.
I'm curious, and really really stupid when it comes to guns. . . I just got done watching that silly movie "National Security". . . and the gun Martin Lawrence uses, a handgun with a seemingly semi-automatic (please keep in mind I have no idea). . . is this a legal gun, is it a REAL gun or is it one of those movie guns? Personally, I couldn't think of something I'd rather have, except for that magnum you posted earlier on.
or the magnum from the movie Payback with Mel Gibson. . . that was a pretty gun too.
first time I ever saw this thread and I'm glad I did, very very interesting John.
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I have to say that's a beautiful beautiful gun. . . I'm so jealous.
I'm curious, and really really stupid when it comes to guns. . . I just got done watching that silly movie "National Security". . . and the gun Martin Lawrence uses, a handgun with a seemingly semi-automatic (please keep in mind I have no idea). . . is this a legal gun, is it a REAL gun or is it one of those movie guns? Personally, I couldn't think of something I'd rather have, except for that magnum you posted earlier on.
or the magnum from the movie Payback with Mel Gibson. . . that was a pretty gun too.
first time I ever saw this thread and I'm glad I did, very very interesting John.
I haven't seen the movie. Have you got a pic?
Most movies nowadays rely on either Desert Eagles (Overrated) or a custom 1911 of some type. Occasionally you'll see something different.
Desert Eagle
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/desert_eagle/Desert_Eagle.html
1911
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911
Custom 1911 (There's a million varieties, but they're all the same basic design that crazy Mormon John Browning came up with way back in 1911. There's a reason that it's considered the best pistol design, ever.*)
(http://www.brazoscustom.com/Images/ProLim.gif)
(http://www.speedytoys.com/airsoft_guns/silverdragon-square.jpg)
(http://members.aol.com/guntriks/1911/GT9X25.jpg)
(http://www.thedaxshop.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gripswebsite007Custom.jpg)
*Some people would argue that the Browning High Power is the best pistol design ever. Of course, the BHP is a slimmed down, less frills, 9mm successor to the 1911 without the government contract mandatory grip safety. Same designer, either way. John Moses Browning is the patron saint of non-dead self defense lovers everywhere.
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John, What do you have for 1911s?
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John, What do you have for 1911s?
Eventually I'll get there, Lol.
I have an AMT Hardballer, a Taurus PT1911, a Springfield Mil Spec, and a really nice one.
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"And a really nice one." This aughta be good.
That'd be like me saying I have a nice sports car and you go into the garage and a DeTomaso Mangusta is sitting there in the dark smiling back at you.
So you don't have to dig around if you're curious...
(http://autopixx.de/bilder/autopixx-de-1157809827-13.)
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I have to say that's a beautiful beautiful gun. . . I'm so jealous.
I'm curious, and really really stupid when it comes to guns. . . I just got done watching that silly movie "National Security". . . and the gun Martin Lawrence uses, a handgun with a seemingly semi-automatic (please keep in mind I have no idea). . . is this a legal gun, is it a REAL gun or is it one of those movie guns? Personally, I couldn't think of something I'd rather have, except for that magnum you posted earlier on.
or the magnum from the movie Payback with Mel Gibson. . . that was a pretty gun too.
first time I ever saw this thread and I'm glad I did, very very interesting John.
The first picture looks like it, it had like a really really really large clip, I was curious if it was a real gun, because I friggin want one. . .I'll try and dig up the make and model, cause god knows I don't want to watch the movie again nor should I tell anyone else to watch the stupid movie either lol
thanks for the info, those guns with the fire on the handles is wicked hot!
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I think it was a glock 18.....
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You need to change the title of this thread.
The update part.
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I think it was a glock 18.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_18
Like this? It's basically very similar to the GLOCK 17 apart from the select fire mode.* They're an interesting gun, but a full auto pistol is a kinda dumb idea, so I never understood the purpose of the thing. (I mean from an aim perspective. The little son of a bitch rides up like all hell, and you don't have any weight to slow the process down. Might as well close your eyes and pray rather than aim the thing.**) You can get high cap mags for any GLOCK. I've got a bunch of 30 rounders.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/G18_mag.jpg)
*Obviously a major difference.
** Here's a video of one in action. Even with a stock attached the thing rides up like a mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI
[youtube=425,350]kBjUDCyDCuI[/youtube]
Another video of a guy shoot a hell of a lot of rounds and missing like crazy from about 20 feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYciQPosQ8
[youtube=425,350]CFYciQPosQ8[/youtube]
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$1750...for a stock? wat
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=187440166
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$1750...for a stock? wat
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=187440166
Sounds about right. I've got a TRG-21 and the gun itself was almost four grand. It's a really for real life and death sniper rifle.
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jesus, boys
3 years this thread been in slumber?
let's git the gun-ship rollin'.............
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Well here's my most recent buy:
(http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/2616191412/9372387/ffd80545dbc3ec940301223bb77535a9.jpg)
A 1923 Izhevsk M91/30 in great condition. I got it for a song and it's in great condition and is an excellent shooter. All numbers match and nobody tried to do any "restorations" to it. It goes well with my M44.
Gotta love Mosins, and 7.62x54R.