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Now that I was suspended from JREF, what should I do when the ban expires tomorrow?

Apologize and be a good little sheep.
- 0 (0%)
Use the forum a little bit, don't annoy the socialist mods.
- 1 (3.7%)
Come back but confine my opinion to just a few threads.
- 2 (7.4%)
Come back and act same as before.
- 2 (7.4%)
Act even more boldly than before.
- 12 (44.4%)
Come back for one final "you suck" post.
- 2 (7.4%)
Don't come back.
- 8 (29.6%)

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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2008, 01:43:24 PM »

I really think the only way evil can be effectively promoted is by someone who steals, not by someone who earns or saves.  Besides, the personalities of people who build wealth are inherently different from those of people who burn, loot and kill.
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2008, 03:06:16 PM »

I think we should just do it and figure out a solution to the consequences when they arise.
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2008, 12:03:02 PM »

I asked the simple question wether it was better to use force and the overwhelming answer was YES!

So I see no point in posting there.
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2008, 01:31:46 PM »

I asked the simple question wether it was better to use force and the overwhelming answer was YES!

So I see no point in posting there.

If a multi-trillionaire is building a series of gigantic mechas to enslave you with, then it is right to use force.

Or if he's aiming a nuclear bomb at you from his space station in near-Earth orbit.
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2008, 01:56:36 PM »

Perhaps it was an experiment on my part to push Anarcho-Capitalist points of view and, in the process, pull mainstream people toward moderate minarchism without them ever agreeing with me in full.  Still too soon to tell if it succeeded or backfired or produced a neutral result.
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2008, 04:13:43 AM »

So the fascist fucks at the JREF forums finally suspended / banned me...  So it goes...  :x
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2008, 01:16:07 PM »

Added poll...
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2008, 02:36:30 PM »

So, you can be skeptical of everything but the slavish obedience and religious fervor with which these folks adulate the jack-booted thugs who step on their necks while picking their pockets? They, apparently, enjoy the taste of shoe leather so much they are willing to give up 50% of their income for laces and polish, not to mention the truncheons. OH! Woe is me! The wealthy men who run evil corporations will control everything! We can't have that! Except we wont, and yet, right now, we already do. Fools.
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Re: James Randi Research Foundation (JREF) Forum - Socialist Mods Don't Play Nice
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 12:12:14 AM »

OK, so we've seen a lot of "Alex throws a hissy fit" threads, and some were better than others.

Here's one on the JREF forum...  Enjoy!  8)

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Re: James Randi Research Foundation (JREF) Forum - Socialist Mods Don't Play Nic
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 01:29:05 AM »

Yeah, you didn't explain how it wouldn't devolve into a plutocracy. Instead you supported their argument. You should have pointed out that we already have a plutocracy. How many Clinton's and Bush's do we have to have before people will realize this. Instead you might as well have told them that Hitler could rise up in a anarcho-capatalist society and so long as he's rich he can kill all the damn Jews he wants (technically true when you think about the information you've given them).

The only caveat that you mention is that rich people will be bound by the non-aggression principle, but by what? A religious man would say God, An honest man would say ostracism, an objectivist would say self-interest, but you failed to take into account what an Atheist would say. Atheists generally understand natural law so this is your common ground that you need to focus on until they might find the same logic that Ayn Rand found in her philosophy of objectivism.

It needs to be pointed out that a society in equilibrium where no force is used can remain so only if violence or fraud is not tolerated by any member. So in fact there is another premise that you must mention in your argument, that so long as no one tolerates the initiation of force by themselves or others, everyone wins.

"Anarchy in the sense of no government just ain't gonna happen -- not unless everyone becomes a hermit. A group of people will always want a system of making decisions. Even if they don't elect/designate a leader/decider. "

This poster obviously knows that people like to have rules. I would certainly not disagree. Ethically speaking, it is better to have rules that everyone agrees on. Anarchy would thus have groups that create their own rules, the members of which could be bound by contract. Be sure to mention this as well as the concept of voluntarism.

Finally the largest critique of anarchism is that it is unstable. However, I could just as easily say that any system is unstable. After all how many democracies, monarchies, and communes have fallen into anarchy over the course of human history? Thus I would propose that what we mean by stability we really mean personal security. Literally the absence of violence and fraud. However, I've already mentioned what will make an anarchist society stable, that is an absolute aversion to force, fraud, or coercion. I would posit that any society whatever you might call it would be very stable if this stability were achieved.
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Re: James Randi Research Foundation (JREF) Forum - Socialist Mods Don't Play Nice
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 11:27:20 AM »

Okay, I remembered that I have an old fart account there. I'll give you some /b/ackup, Alex.
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Re: James Randi Research Foundation (JREF) Forum - Socialist Mods Don't Play Nice
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2008, 03:34:56 PM »

Huge thanks, I'm really enjoying your posts there.

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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2008, 06:08:08 PM »

So, how DO we keep some nutty trillionaire from building bio-weapons?


It's a financial loser.  Even nutty trillionaires don't have enough money to waste murdering people, or plotting to do so.  Only governments have the free money stolen from taxpayers that's necessary to fund that crap.


Kinda like the Saudis who help fund OBL's network? 

At least Bin Laden hasn't done anything as of late, where as the State seems to perpetually operate regardless.
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Re: James Randi Research Foundation (JREF) Forum - Socialist Mods Don't Play Nic
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2008, 07:21:08 PM »

I don't know how you can do it, man.  I skimmed one thread - 'Where did the 'Fractional Reserve Banking' meme begin?' - and I wouldn't even know where to begin discussion with them.  With a few exceptions, their worldview is so... alien, so contrary to anything even approaching liberty, that they might as well be speaking a different language.
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Re: The Definitive "Cover My Butt In Another Forum" Thread!
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2008, 11:46:16 PM »

So, how DO we keep some nutty trillionaire from building bio-weapons?


It's a financial loser.  Even nutty trillionaires don't have enough money to waste murdering people, or plotting to do so.  Only governments have the free money stolen from taxpayers that's necessary to fund that crap.


Kinda like the Saudis who help fund OBL's network? 

Not really.  Most of the work and scrounging of funds is being done by people who think they're fighting for independence from the Great Satan.
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