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J.H. Huebert, a blogger and writer for LewRockwell.com, has come out on the Libertarian Forum group (of which I'm a member) and has criticized the Free State Project, Sam Dodson, and the planned topless women protest. I even forwarded it to Angela Keaton of Antiwar.com, who is also a member of the Ladies Liberty Alliance which endorses the protest and Ian's girlfriend Julia who also supports it as well.

Ian and Mark already have the email. Here's Huebert's ludicrous and pathetic anti-Liberty rant.

(Personally, Huebert is a fucking sexist and dipshit for writing this bullshit, but you guys decide for yourself....)



I hate libertarians.
by J.H. Huebert


Okay, not all libertarians.  Just the ones in the Free State
Project.

Okay, not all libertarians in the Free State Project.  Just the ones
in Keene, New Hampshire.

Okay, probably not all of them.  Probably not most of them.  Just the
ones I've noticed.

For something I'm writing, I've been researching the FSP, and I think
it's a brilliant idea with a lot of potential to work.  The
mastermind, Jason Sorens, appears to me to be a libertarian hero
worthy of much praise.  The whole thing is extremely well thought out,
and the reasons for choosing New Hampshire as their state are
excellent.  When I read his stuff, it makes me want to pick up and
move to New Hampshire.

The only flaw with the project is that it requires the members of the
libertarian movement to act like sensible, reasonable human beings,
which apparently is asking too much.

Overall, it seems like the FSP people, especially its leaders, are a-
okay principled libertarians.  For all I know, they're *all*
principled libertarians, or at least good enough for me
ideologically.

But in their approach, some of the people in Keene appear to be
extremely foolish.

The first and worst things are the "Sam Dodson" type stunts, where you
go do something pointless that you know is likely to get you
arrested.  Or you just make an ass of yourself for no obvious reason,
like pretending you don't understand a judge when he's speaking plain
English to you.  Typically the point of civil disobedience is to call
the public's attention to an injustice.  But if an anarchist
libertarian like me can't understand the point of your protest, what
is it going to teach anybody else?  It's going to teach them that
libertarians are lunatics, or at least extremely frivolous people who
don't have any serious ideas that would actually improve their
lives.

Then there's their "parking meter Robin Hood" stunt, where they go put
money in people's parking meters and leave a note explaining that
parking meters are unjust because people are forced to pay for parking
spots through taxes, then forced to pay again when they actually want
to use them.  People may appreciate being spared the ticket, but
parking meters are one of the worst things you could use to try to
illustrate government injustice.  It's a fact that the government owns
streets and parking spaces, and that's about the last thing that the
NH libertarians will ever change, no matter how successful they are
otherwise.  So given that we're stuck with government streets for the
foreseeable future, we can have free parking and therefore parking
shortages, or we can try to at least approximate a market.  Of course
-- as they're showing their neighbors -- libertarians prefer chaos.
And you know what these people would do if the town took the parking
meters away -- they'd try to "homestead" a space permanently by
plunking some junk car or other big object in a space.  Then when they
government tow truck came, they'd lie down in front of it, yelling
about how they're being oppressed, hoping to god they get tased and
arrested so all their friends can see it on YouTube.

Now the latest is that some young women in Keene want to get topless
in public to fight for the right to do that.  Of course, I'm of two
minds about this.  But it's an idiotic cause because it's a fight over
what you can do on public property, and there's no obvious reason why
your desire to be topless should trump some other person's desire not
to run into topless women when going about their business.  Plus it
needlessly offends a large segment of the community who might actually
appreciate you if you chose as your battle one of the hundreds of
issues that *actually matters*.

Ugh!



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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 05:47:01 PM »

..there's no obvious reason why your desire to be topless should trump some other person's desire not to run into topless women when going about their business.

There is if they're not "going about their business" on their own property.

Doesn't sound like a libertarian.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 05:55:42 PM »

..there's no obvious reason why your desire to be topless should trump some other person's desire not to run into topless women when going about their business.

There is if they're not "going about their business" on their own property.

Doesn't sound like a libertarian.

A libertarian wouldnt limit someones life choices just because they are (or may become) inconvenienced or uncomfortable.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 06:12:15 PM »

This guy is clearly highly confused.  Ian and Sam's idea has nothing to do with the FSP.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 06:39:58 PM »

..there's no obvious reason why your desire to be topless should trump some other person's desire not to run into topless women when going about their business.

There is if they're not "going about their business" on their own property.

Doesn't sound like a libertarian.


Here's his Gmail address if you guys want it:

jhhuebert@gmail.com


If you send him hate mail, please do me the courtesy of not mentioning my name regarding his post.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 07:02:40 PM »

This guy is clearly highly confused.  Ian and Sam's idea has nothing to do with the FSP.

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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 07:15:00 PM »

What ever. The guy can have his opinion and it isn't even an uncommon one.  Leave him be.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2009, 08:40:01 PM »

Well, Huebert is entitled to his (her?) opinion.

And s\he doesn't have a problem with FSP itself, just some constructive criticism over some specific methods.

I disagree with this criticism, but I'm not going to skin anyone alive over this...

I believe that Sam and others don't do what they do to be universally admired, I think they do it because it's right.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 08:46:10 PM »

And s\he doesn't have a problem with FSP itself, just some constructive criticism over some specific methods.

The methods have nothing to do with the FSP though.  The FSP is just the bus.  The bus has several Lewrockwell.com writers involved.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 10:06:23 PM »

Does Ian and Mark know that this e-mail was posted to a PRIVATE e-mail list and not for public distribution?  This was unconscionable, Todd.  Decent, trustworthy people don't pull stunts like this.  I would think you'd know better.

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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 10:10:00 PM »

What email list?
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 10:10:10 PM »

Well, Huebert is entitled to his (her?) opinion.

And s\he doesn't have a problem with FSP itself, just some constructive criticism over some specific methods.

I disagree with this criticism, but I'm not going to skin anyone alive over this...

I believe that Sam and others don't do what they do to be universally admired, I think they do it because it's right.


And that message was posted to a private list, then publicly reposted by Todd. That's a real jerk move. We had a nice discussion of the subject on the list. If someone believes that certain tactics are bad, then that's just an opinion. He never publicly criticized the FSP at all, so why publicly attack him and call him names?
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 10:18:06 PM »

What email list?

A private e-mail list, of which Todd was a member until just a few minutes ago.  Membership is by invitation-only.  It is NOT a public list and e-mails sent to it are understood to be only for members' consumption, unless they give permission for it to be shared.  So far as I know, Huebert did not give such permission.

Furthermore, Todd explicitly stated on the list that re-posting the e-mail here was "payback" for attacking the FSP.  He knows this was a serious breach of protocol, but he's also made it clear he doesn't care.  I would keep this in mind when communicating with him privately in the future.

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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 10:19:19 PM »

What email list?

A private e-mail list, of which Todd was a member until just a few minutes ago.  Membership is by invitation-only.  It is NOT a public list and e-mails sent to it are understood to be only for members' consumption, unless they give permission for it to be shared.  So far as I know, Huebert did not give such permission.

Furthermore, Todd explicitly stated on the list that re-posting the e-mail here was "payback" for attacking the FSP.  He knows this was a serious breach of protocol, but he's also made it clear he doesn't care.  I would keep this in mind when communicating with him privately in the future.

Brian Martinez

You suck.
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Re: J.H. Huebert of LewRockwell.com Attacks FSP, Topless Women Protest
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 10:24:14 PM »

What email list?

A private e-mail list, of which Todd was a member until just a few minutes ago.  Membership is by invitation-only.  It is NOT a public list and e-mails sent to it are understood to be only for members' consumption, unless they give permission for it to be shared.  So far as I know, Huebert did not give such permission.

Furthermore, Todd explicitly stated on the list that re-posting the e-mail here was "payback" for attacking the FSP.  He knows this was a serious breach of protocol, but he's also made it clear he doesn't care.  I would keep this in mind when communicating with him privately in the future.

Brian Martinez
well, I think that Huebert should own up to his involvement in the racist newsletters, don't you?
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