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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2010, 09:52:40 AM »

The Israeli blockade is an act of war.  Yeah, who is going to bring a knife to a gun fight.  IDF clearly attacked these people.  Israel wants to contaminate or destroy or not allow in useful materials to the Gaza in the form of housing, water purification and medicine.  Israel is a criminal nation it is becoming clearer for the world to see that.
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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2010, 10:02:26 AM »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFki4MerB8GrGJS2hOVmY5UOJm4wD9G000780

Israeli FM: Gaza ships to be stopped 'at any cost'

(AP) – 2 days ago

JERUSALEM — Israel's foreign minister says the country is prepared to stop a flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists from reaching the Gaza Strip "at any cost."

Avigdor Lieberman said Friday the aid mission is a violent provocation, and he hopes the international community understands the Israeli response.

Greta Berlin, one of the organizers of the effort, said a total of seven ships carrying hundreds of volunteers are now on their way to Gaza. They are expected to reach the Israeli coast on Saturday.

Organizers are carrying tons of goods of humanitarian goods for Gaza, which has been under an Israeli blockade since Hamas militants took power three years ago.

Israel calls the flotilla a publicity stunt. Its navy plans on intercepting the flotilla and escorting the boats to shore.
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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2010, 02:17:57 PM »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFki4MerB8GrGJS2hOVmY5UOJm4wD9G000780

Israeli FM: Gaza ships to be stopped 'at any cost'

(AP) – 2 days ago

JERUSALEM — Israel's foreign minister says the country is prepared to stop a flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists from reaching the Gaza Strip "at any cost."

Avigdor Lieberman said Friday the aid mission is a violent provocation, and he hopes the international community understands the Israeli response.

Greta Berlin, one of the organizers of the effort, said a total of seven ships carrying hundreds of volunteers are now on their way to Gaza. They are expected to reach the Israeli coast on Saturday.

Organizers are carrying tons of goods of humanitarian goods for Gaza, which has been under an Israeli blockade since Hamas militants took power three years ago.

Israel calls the flotilla a publicity stunt. Its navy plans on intercepting the flotilla and escorting the boats to shore.

I agree it was a publicity stunt but Israel handled it badly.  They are obviously lying about this group.  The group announced their intentions and exactly what they had on board.  And there is video of the IDF firing on unarmed people on the boats.  The IDF is lying again and this time the people had the s together and were live feeding the events as they happened.  The Israel has been caught in a monumental lie. 
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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2010, 07:39:33 PM »



Avigdor Lieberman


could be a relative of alex libman.
what with all the spelling fuckups at ellis island
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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2010, 12:18:24 AM »

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1. G-d often judges us as groups, so take it up with Him.

Why do you say these things?  It won't be taken seriously, only used as evidence that you're a fruitcake taking orders from an imaginary friend.

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Where did I say that? Where did I ever mention holy war, or even insinuate that?

Here:
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wheras the Jewish people as a whole were given Israel by G-d.

FYI, no they weren't.  They were given Israel by the international government formed at the end of WW2.  God is merely a convenient excuse to steal the land from it's previous inhabitants.  

I don't care if you don't believe in G-d or not. I do. If you want to act like a retard about it, then do so, but leave me alone.

Jews were given Israel in 2849 (its 5770 now) by G-d. It never stopped being ours. In 1948, you have the modern (secular) state of Israel being formed. It isn't necessarily Jewish as the owners of "torahtruejews.com" assert.

While I am as it, since you're too ignorant to come up with your own sources for your unsupported assertions, I'll give you some of the best ammo you could come across before I knock it down. The best argument against my assertion would be to front the Documentary Hypothesis. The problem with it is that there isn't any proof to support it.

So, what you have is conjecture on one hand and your thumb up your ass in the other.



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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2010, 04:57:04 AM »


Jews were given Israel in 2849 (its 5770 now) by G-d. It never stopped being ours.


We.

My ancestors decided your ancestors were unwelcome in Germany in 1937, and threw a major shit-fit about it.  And now, theres still a bunch of their descendants in Idaho who feel pretty strongly about it. 

Is it cool if I hook up with them, and start zeig-heiling all over the fuckin place?  Because I personally think they were major assholes, but if you wanna revisit old-school beliefs, I guess I could give them a jingle.

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Heres the deal, Liebling.  We are carbon.  God doesn't exist.  If you want to have beliefs, stop it with the goddamn "us".  You are way too excited about the group.  Drop some acid and drive your car out west, eat a bacon sandwich and forget about the jew bullshit for a while. 

Learn to live on planet eartho as a human.  Fuck a hooker in Reno.  Drink beer and piss on a brick wall, in a town you've never heard of.  Buy groceries from every aisle, whatever looks yummy.  Get a job anywhere, and be one of the guys. 

I would challenge any Jew anywhere, to forget about being a Jew.  Completely.  For five whole years.  As a cleansing program, a complete reorganization of the mentality.  You guys are into cleansing, right?

After five whole, complete years, of honest non-jew living.  Then, decide if you want to re-become a Jew. 

Those Jews would be some serious Jews, if they jumped back into it like woo-hoo!  But I doubt any would want to.

Because I know just about everyone on this side of the fence, never really gives a shit.  We get exposed to it all the time.  If someone converts, its for their girl (or guy), or its a fad - like madonna with the kaballa bracelets.  Whatever the fuck that was.  I'm assuming she's over it by now.

I've known a couple jews, some were hardcore, some were not.  One surprised me, since I don't pay much attention to details, I kinda thought he was Italian or Greek, something.  He was just kinda swarthy, then I find out he's jewish.  He says nah, I don't really give a shit.  He was cool.  I never really knew if he practiced on the sly, but I doubt it.  I think he just had the early upbringing, then his mom basically quit sending him to jew stuff- which was probably fine with him.  We used to smoke a lot of dope together, I can't imagine asking him about Israel and he gets all insane about it.  He'd probly say they're assholes.  But maybe he's different now.  I donno. 

I really do think you're whacked out on the kool-ade, bro.  I know its hard to give it a rest if you're up to your eyeballs in it.  But you probably should go taste the world.  I really think its a bigger sin to allow your mortal time on earth to slide past, and not become a citizen of the world, unencumbered by the dreck thats being shoveled into your head.  Then later, if you want, go back to it. 

I'm not trying to tempt you like the white devil, I'm actually trying to offer you advice as a young man who will never again have the opportunity to live in the momentous occasion of a healthy free spirit.  I have five direct cousins who are church, all from the same mother.  One's a priest, one's a nun.  One was a nun, and quit - after twenty-some years -hugely controversial within the family, and she's a fuckin saint, worked with retarded kids for a long time after...  Two never became nuns.  I'm not exactly talking out my asshole here, just because none of those five are me.  Its not for everyone, bro.

The odd part is, the priest, he's a dick.  The nun, I don't know her well.  The one who dropped out, she's awesome, I know her really well, and she's very happy.  The two who never became nuns, the are so mellow and centered, they have families and stuff.  Excellent people, very balanced.  You can probably see where this is going...  I would have to say, if I rated the happiness of those people, I'd rate them in backwards order the non-joiners being the most happy. 

And I honestly did not write this to bend my argument, it just came out fluid, the way I wrote it, stream-of-consciousness. 


















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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2010, 04:04:35 PM »

"The Spanish and French governments called the action "disproportionate." The Italian foreign minister asked the European Union to investigate, and several nations, including Greece and Sweden, were summoning their Israeli ambassadors."

Looks like that much needed manufacturing base Israel needs to defend itself is starting to dry up. Israel is blowing up all it's bridges over troubled water. Dudes should have listened more to Simon and Garfunkel.
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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2010, 08:50:38 PM »

"The Spanish and French governments called the action "disproportionate." The Italian foreign minister asked the European Union to investigate, and several nations, including Greece and Sweden, were summoning their Israeli ambassadors."

Looks like that much needed manufacturing base Israel needs to defend itself is starting to dry up. Israel is blowing up all it's bridges over troubled water. Dudes should have listened more to Simon and Garfunkel.

The USA response is very low key.  I think they are hoping for some celebrity to fuck up so that the population will be distracted once they give their typical Israel was threatened bull shit speech.  The ships were inspected by officials at the departure ports for weapons.  The only thing these people had on board those ships to defend themselves with were parts of chairs or pipes.  They did not have Apache war choppers, fully automatic weapons, bullet proof vests, the ship was not outfitted with cannons.   It did however have a satellite uplink which was streaming video that bi-passed the Israeli attempts at jamming all signals.   There video shows that the IDF fired upon the ship prior to boarding.  Just before that feed was cut off by IDF commandos the last recorded words are in Hebrew telling people to shutup.  If Israel had nothing to hide and was only doing this to make sure that no weapons got to Gaza why all the need for secrecy and surprise?  They attacked in the middle of the night so filming is made more difficult, they attempted to jam all signals and they lied about the events.

One of the many lies the mouth pieces for Israel are trying to peddle.
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The Israeli government's complete blackout of the actual incident has been accompanied by a public relations blitz from Israeli government spokespersons and government-hired private public relations firms, who have continued to repeat already disproven claims that the humanitarian aid would have been allowed through if the activists had only gone through the proper channels to bring the aid. In fact, virtually all of the items on board the ships are banned by the Israeli government as "security risks" – including crayons, pencils, medical equipment and building materials. Because Israel continues to ban these items from entering the Gaza Strip, many of the 30,000 buildings destroyed by Israel during last year's three-week long assault on Gaza cannot be rebuilt.
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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2010, 10:31:20 PM »

I saw a photo of the folks on the deck of that ship waving large kitchen knives.  Sorry, but you don't run at anyone with a gun with a meat cleaver and not expect to get shot.
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Re: It's time for another Jew thread
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2010, 10:41:17 PM »

Jews were given Israel in 2849 (its 5770 now) by G-d.

Where is the deed?

In the Torah.
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« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2010, 05:53:17 AM »

I saw a photo of the folks on the deck of that ship waving large kitchen knives.  Sorry, but you don't run at anyone with a gun with a meat cleaver and not expect to get shot.

The aid ship was being shot at first and that was the closest thing to a weapon they had to defend themselves with at the time.  If you are being shot at are you just going to let them shoot you or are you going to get whatever actions you can to defend yourself.  And don't give me this take cover bullshit bullets will rip through most items if they are a large enough caliber.   Again if the actions of the Israeli's were legitimate then why the need to jam signals and to attack in the middle of the night?  They could have held back until it was daylight and invited reporters and international observers to watch their inspections of the ships for weapons.  The reason they did not do this was because the IDF's actions were criminal and they knew they would not stand up to the light of day or the observations of objective scrutiny.   The flotilla was inspected by the departure countries for weapons and found clean.  The Aid flotilla intended to unload their supplies during the day and invited international reporters on board to observe that no weapons were being delivered.  The blockade is not about keeping weapons out it is about punishing the civilian population of Gaza for voting in Hamas.  Hamas was a reaction to the inability of the other Palestinian organizations to acquire a just peace agreement.  The tighter the grip Israel places on the Gaza the more radicalized the people will become because they have nothing to lose. 

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« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2010, 03:45:11 PM »

I don't think they were getting shot at until they charged the soldiers with large kitchen knives.

Fail.
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« Reply #73 on: June 03, 2010, 08:42:34 AM »

Jews were given Israel in 2849 (its 5770 now) by G-d.

Where is the deed?

In the Torah.
Where is the original Torah?

Copies are not valid unless notarized by G-d.
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« Reply #74 on: June 03, 2010, 04:30:40 PM »

Jews were given Israel in 2849 (its 5770 now) by G-d.

Where is the deed?

In the Torah.
Where is the original Torah?

Copies are not valid unless notarized by G-d.
The written Torah has been kept the same for thousands of years.  Although I've always felt that before it was actually put to parchment (or animal skin as the case may be) that it's likely that it was changed around simply because of the fact that it was entirely orally recorded prior to that point.  You know, like the game of telephone.  But once it was written down I have very little doubt that it has stayed the same ever since.  The people who transcribe Torahs are extremely freaking methodical.  If they screw up one letter they have to start all over again pretty much.

If a transcriber were to screw up even one character on a finished Torah his career in Torah transcription would be completely over.
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