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Re: Israeli settlers are terrorists?
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 10:25:27 AM »


someone would launch a rocket at it.

and then it would get carpet bombed.

good.
then maybe we could have some peace
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 11:47:11 AM »

It's all so stupid. If I had ONE WISH, it would be for religion to evaporate from people's minds, including that of the state.

You would be better off wishing racism didn't exist.  Because both are equally problematic. 

Due to the right of return some contend that many of the Jews in Israel aren't even Semitic but rather Eastern European decedents.  Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.  So these Zions are displacing people who are actually more closely related to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Palestinian people.  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 12:50:35 PM »

I am willing to consider all sources.
You don't seriously mean that do you? I could easily show you the absurdity of considering all sources of information as having equal validity.
Yes, I do.
I didn't say I consider all sources as having equal validity, just that I am willing to consider them.

Actually blackie has claimed that he is not pro-Arab, he just quotes stuff from the media.

Although all the stuff he has quoted to this day are pro-Arab.

Is http://www.israelnationalnews.com pro-Arab?
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 01:27:13 PM »

Is http://www.israelnationalnews.com pro-Arab?

No, that is the ultra-right wing source in Israel. Exactly the kind of source I would never use when debating the Israeli-Arab conflict in this forum, as it is clearly biased towards the Israeli side.

I don't recall seeing you ever use that source here, am I mistaken? I doubt whether you would find any items there supporting a pro-Arab agenda.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 01:35:16 PM »

I don't recall seeing you ever use that source here, am I mistaken?
First post in this thread.
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2009, 02:03:07 PM »

Due to the right of return some contend that many of the Jews in Israel aren't even Semitic but rather Eastern European decedents.  Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.  So these Zions are displacing people who are actually more closely related to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Palestinian people.  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

That theory is a controversial one that is not supported by most scholars. However, even if you assume it to be completely true, you still have an uncut lineage of Jews living in modern-day Israel from biblical times until today, specifically in the cities of Jerusalem, Tiberius, Zafed, and Hebron.

On the Arab side, virtually all people who today call themselves "Palestinians" are clearly immigrants from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula, the Mediterranean, and what-have-you. The only Arab people who can genuinely claim to be living on the land since ancient times are the Bedouins, who do not identify themselves as Palestinians.

Additionally, many Jews were exiled from modern-day Israel  by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Roman Empires, probably including those that ended up in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and Persia. These Jews maintained their heritage and cultural ties with the land of Israel in the diaspora for hundreds of years despite continuous hardships and persecution, and there is nothing more natural and righteous than their self-definition as Jews who return to their original homeland. Surely if you compare it to some immigrant from Syria who's offspring turned "Palestinian" in 1964 when the term was invented.

Due to the right of return some contend that many of the Jews in Israel aren't even Semitic but rather Eastern European decedents.

Love it. So I understand that if not for the so-called "right" of return, nobody would have bothered digging up this theory supported by one person.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2009, 04:21:40 PM »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5giCLoqxk--2Tu-m8t0qBCx53SM6Q

Jewish settlers rampage in West Bank


By Imad Saada – 8 hours ago

NABLUS, West Bank (AFP) — Jewish settlers rampaged in the West Bank on Monday, wounding four Palestinians, as they vented fury that Israel may answer US calls and dismantle outposts in the territory, officials said.

Jewish extremists blocked roads, hurled rocks at drivers, burned fields, cut down olive trees and opened fire towards Palestinians who tried to chase the trespassers from their fields in the northern West Bank, witnesses said.

West of the city of Nablus, an area home to some of the most hardline settlers in the occupied territory, dozens of masked extremists blocked a road in the early hours and hurled rocks at Palestinian drivers who stopped their vehicles to move the obstructions, they said.

"They attacked when the minibus (carrying 17 Palestinian workers on their way to work in Israel) stopped. The man next to the driver was seriously wounded," said Zakaria Sada, an activist with the Rabbis for Human Rights organisation.

When another driver stopped his vehicle to move the stones in the road, the mob beat him until Israeli troops arrived on the scene, Sada said.

Four people were wounded in the attacks, and one remained in serious condition in hospital with a fractured skull, medics said.

Near the settlement of Yizhar -- one of the most radical in the West Bank -- heavy smoke billowed into the air as settlers set fire to Palestinian fields.

When a group of Palestinians threw stones trying to chase them off the land, about 20 settlers armed with guns jumped out from hiding places and opened fire in the direction of the Palestinians and journalists, an AFP correspondent said.

Three army patrol vehicles at a nearby junction stood by and did not intervene to stop the violence, but prevented a Palestinian fire-engine from reaching the field.

The police and army had no immediate comment.

"These sorts of rock hurling incidents are unfortunately very common in the West Bank," one army spokesman said as he tried to search for information on the incidents.

Angry mobs of settlers also set fire to fields, sawed down olive trees and threw rocks at Palestinians outside the villages of Burin and Far'ata south of Nablus.

"It took us six months to plant everything, this is our whole life," Shaher Tawil said, as his fields of wheat and olive trees burned on the outskirts of Far-ata.

Asked to comment on the violence, the president of a settler umbrella organisation in the northern West Bank, Gershon Messika, said: "It's natural that people who face expulsion from their house do what they can to avoid being expelled."

Groups of settlers converged on the area overnight after rumours spread that Israeli security forces were moving in to evacuate settlement outposts.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has promised to dismantle several dozen wildcat outposts -- settlements that were erected in the West Bank without government approval -- in response to demands from Washington, which has called to a halt to all Israeli settlement activity.

"Our intention is to dismantle the unlawful outposts," Netanyahu told a parliamentary committee on Monday, while pledging to continue construction in other settlements to accommodate population growth.

In the past few weeks Israeli police have taken down some tents and tin huts in the occupied territory, though the structures usually reappear within hours after troops leave.

On Monday police and army removed several shacks containing farming equipment outside the settlement of Elon Moreh northeast of Nablus. New shacks arose on the site within a few hours, local settlers said.

Hardline settlers believe the Jewish people have a God-given, biblical-era right to live on the land, though most of the more than 280,000 Israelis who live in the settlements dotting the West Bank are there for economic reasons.

The international community considers all Israeli settlements on occupied Arab land illegal, but Israel makes a distinction between those built with or without government approval.
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Re: Israeli settlers are terrorists?
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2009, 04:46:28 PM »

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3724157,00.html

Palestinians injured by veiled settlers

Ali Waked
Published:    06.01.09, 07:41 / Israel News

Anti-evacuation protest ends with violence against Palestinians: Veiled settlers blocking roads in protest of the evacuation of illegal outposts violently attacked Palestinians early Monday.

According to the Palestinians, four people were injured, one of them sustaining serious wounds, including a fracture in his skull. He was evacuated to a hospital in Nablus.


The police reported that one person was lightly injured. No suspects were arrested.
 
Shortly after 5 am, the Samaria District Police received a report on veiled settlers hurling stones on Road 55, near the settlements of Kedumim and Karnei Shomron.

According to the Palestinians, the settlers places stones on the road, and when the drivers came out of the cars to move them, they assaulted them and hurled stones at them. They also set fire to tires on the road.

The man who was seriously injured is 41-year-old Ali Sida, who was beaten along with a group of laborers making its way to Israel. Another Palestinian injured is Muhammad Khaled, 21, who was delivering vegetables from the village of Jayus to the village of Bita.

Khaled told Ynet, "I was transporting the vegetables when I encountered a road blocked by stones near Kedumim. I got out of the car, and dozens of settlers – 50 to 60 – began attacking me, broke the car and strongly beat me in the entire body.

He said he felt like he was being lynched, and was only rescued when soldiers arrived at the area. "I saw death before my eyes," he recounted.

An army force dispatched to the area reported being assaulted by the settlers. There were no injuries among the soldiers. The police said that no one was arrested.

Rabbis for Human Rights activist Zakaria Sada told Ynet, "This is the same pattern of action showing that this is a violent and well-planned action on the part of the settlers. The serious thing is that this happened at the entrance to Kedumim, where an IDF patrol is stationed on a permanent basis, as well as an army security camera, so the soldiers should have know who to deal with.

"This didn’t happen, and the soldiers who arrived at the area fired in the air towards the Palestinians rather than towards the settlers who returned to their homes. We demand that the army investigate this incident and take legal proceedings against the settlers."

One of the laborers said that the settlers beat him, and that when the soldiers arrived the Palestinian tried to approach them to complain. Then, he said, the troops fired in the air in order to keep them away. The Coordination and Liaison Authority in Qalqilya and the Kedumim police were informed of the incident.
 

'We are used to leftist and Arab lies'

On Sunday night and early Monday, hundreds of settlers blocked main roads following rumors that the security forces were planning to evacuate illegal outposts, including Ramat Gilad.

Following the rumors, settlers and right-wing activists were urged to come and "strengthen the outposts". The blocking of traffic routes was aimed at making it harder for the security forces to evacuate the outposts.

Sources in the settlements rejected the report about Palestinian injuries. "We are used to the groundless lies of the left-wing organizations and Arab organizations," one of them told Ynet. "As far as we know, no Arab was injured and there were no clashes."

The same sources noted that there was on incident in which settlers hurled stones at soldiers who had been mistaken for Arabs, but when they realized their mistake the violent acts were halted.

In another incident, the Samaria District Police received a report from the army about some 100 settlers who staged a demonstration at a West Bank junction on Sunday night in protest of the plan to evacuate outposts. Six youths were detained for questioning after blocking a main road and refusing to leave.
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Re: Yitzhar
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2009, 05:00:10 PM »

It's all so stupid. If I had ONE WISH, it would be for religion to evaporate from people's minds, including that of the state.

You would be better off wishing racism didn't exist.  Because both are equally problematic. 

Due to the right of return some contend that many of the Jews in Israel aren't even Semitic but rather Eastern European decedents.  Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.  So these Zions are displacing people who are actually more closely related to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Palestinian people.  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

That's not a credible site, to say the least.

Besides, they're still Jews.
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2009, 08:59:04 PM »

It's all so stupid. If I had ONE WISH, it would be for religion to evaporate from people's minds, including that of the state.

You would be better off wishing racism didn't exist.  Because both are equally problematic. 

Due to the right of return some contend that many of the Jews in Israel aren't even Semitic but rather Eastern European decedents.  Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.  So these Zions are displacing people who are actually more closely related to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Palestinian people.  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

That's not a credible site, to say the least.

Besides, they're still Jews.

The point is being Jewish isn't a race, it is a religion.  There are many races who belong to the Jewish faith.  Some question the accuracy of claiming to be Semitic simply because a person happens to be Jewish.  The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites.  The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible.  The Zionist who are occupying Israel many of them due to right of return are not Semitic.  They don't have any Southwestern Asia roots.  Many eastern European people were converted to Judaism during the dark and middle ages.

Benjamin Freedman, another Jewish researcher, wrote his famous treatise FACTS ARE FACTS in 1954. Freedman quotes from many historical sources and shows that the vast majority of Jews derive from the Turkish-Mongol mixed people of the Khazar Kingdom of the 2nd to 10th centuries, NOT from Biblical Israelite stock.  (Want more information you might have to actually visit a Library and crack open a book.)

Just find it insane that people who aren't even Semitic claiming that they are suffering from Antisemitism.  Zionist are oppressing actually Semites (ie, Arabs, Palestinians) but to add insult to injury they are claiming Arabs are Antisemitic.  There is concerted effort to warp the definition of Semitic to mean anyone who self-identifies as a Jew.  Done by Zionist that want to use the claim of racism whenever anyone is critical of Israel of Israeli policy.  It is just another manipulation to justify the unjustifiable.  

Would the world tolerate if Italy was established as a Roman Catholics dominated nation?  Any people who were not Roman Catholics would have their homes confiscated and demolished their villages leveled, that is unless they pledge allegiance to Roman Catholic rule.   Others are intimidated through violence into containment areas which are run by the Vatican even while claiming those are independent territories.  Many angry displaced Italians who have had their property stolen and family members killed in battles over the land fight back with what makeshift arms they may have.  The better armed Roman Catholics kill 100 non-Roman Catholics for every one death of their own.  To add to their dominance the Vatican in-acts a right of return for all Roman Catholics who are encouraged to settle on the territories of the non-Roman Catholics in Italy.  Anyone critical of the new Italy would be labeled anti-Mediterranean even against other non-Roman Catholic Mediterraneans.  Doubtful such a set of events would be allowed yet they are and have been allowed in Israel.  
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 10:14:58 PM »

... Except that historically Jews have been both descendants of Jews (i.e. part of the "Jewish" nation) as well as Jews by religion.
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 10:22:50 PM »

... Except that historically Jews have been both descendants of Jews (i.e. part of the "Jewish" nation) as well as Jews by religion.
Yep.  And considering the stance on conversion to Judaism by the Torah, the amount of converts can be considered nil.  You'll never see someone knocking on your door or handing out pamphlets to convert you to Judaism, and because of this anti-missionary stance, there are very very few converts.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »

... Except that historically Jews have been both descendants of Jews (i.e. part of the "Jewish" nation) as well as Jews by religion.
Yep.  And considering the stance on conversion to Judaism by the Torah, the amount of converts can be considered nil.  You'll never see someone knocking on your door or handing out pamphlets to convert you to Judaism, and because of this anti-missionary stance, there are very very few converts.

Right.

I know some people convert, but historically conversion to Judaism is quite rare. Aside from the Khazar kingdom (which, at least according to DNA evidence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazaria#DNA_Evidence has had a negligible effect on the worldwide Jewish population), that is.
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2009, 09:55:25 AM »

Notice neither of you denied that Arabs and Palestinians are Semitic people.  But continue the any excuse to justify the actual Anti-Semitic nature of Zionism.  The people who were in Palestine who were terrorized by the European immigrants and displaced from their land have more direct Semitic heritage than those immigrants had in the 40s and 50s.  There were converts regardless of the lack of missionary work today it did exist at one time.  Also there are marriages with other peoples which further removes many Jews from having Semitic claims. 

For example here in America you can't claim Native American heritage unless you have one grandparent who is full blooded Native American.  I can't claim it on forms as a racial identifier even though I have a great grandmother who was full blooded Machapunga tribe which was part of the greater Algonquian nation.   Currently the tribe is considered extinct even though I am a descendant.  I can't just can't calm the right of rule over Eastern North Carolina because one of my ancestors was a member of a tribe which had control of the area years ago.  I can't displace the people living their currently and take their property because of it either.  I can't bring in other people who have ancestors who were part of the Algonquian Nation.  BTW this is usually the reason many Indian tribes don't have reservations like the Lumbee because most of them don't have the required bloodline.
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2009, 12:27:53 PM »

Uh, the term anti-semitic was coined to describe the maltreatment of Jews by others. Going from the roots of it, Zionism is by definition philosemitic (i.e. PRO JEW) and not antisemitic.

Now if you just come out and say you hate Jews, I'd have a lot more respect for you.
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