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Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« on: February 20, 2010, 11:37:11 AM »

My debate with Ian concerning voluntariast philosophy, the FCC and Somalia:

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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 12:04:40 PM »

Meh...
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 12:48:06 PM »

No, he is not a hypocrite simply because he uses some government services, etc.  Part of the definition of a hypocrite is someone who willfully violates their espoused principles or beliefs in such a way that it shows they do not actually hold those beliefs.  I don't believe you've shown this to be the case.
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 01:33:07 PM »

I think everyone is a hypocrite it is just a mater of degrees of hypocrisy.   I have a problem with the term willful everyone has free will and can choose to comply or not, even if that compliance is under duress.

Is a voluntarist doctor who uses the AMA rules to benefit from limited competition in the market place a hypocrite?  In a way they are.  More so if they actively inform on chiropractors for practicing medicine without a license.   And even more than that if they pursued legislation to out law midwifery or take away the power to prescribe medicine from nurse practitioners.  

While Ian does in some way benefit from the FCC rules that limit competition in his market place.  He does not actively pursue increased limitations and in fact rails against the market protections which he has under the FCC.   By complying with the FCC any degree of hypocrisy is minor and under duress.  Because in order to not be a hypocrite he would have to broadcast on pirate radio and risk the fines and guns of the FCC agents.   Or he would have to forgo broadcast radio completely and limit his audience.  It is a rock in a hard place choice which has been forced by government not actively sought out.  

 
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 01:57:19 PM »

Thanks - they are not my FCC licenses, after all.  Additionally, I actively use the airwaves to encourage pirate/community radio operation as well as do other "illegal" things, which actually may break the FCC's rules.
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 03:30:53 PM »

It all comes down to doing what you have to do to survive. If your job requires you to follow a law that would otherwise rob you of your living if you didnt do it, its justified to the extent that it doesnt harm others.  Once you cross that line of robbing someone elses freedom in the name of "im only doing my job" you no longer fit that description of someone solely doing what it takes to get by in life(cops, judges, etc etc)

Everyone has to compromise with their values to some extent......... its either that or go live in the mountains in Alaska and kill all your own food, build your own home out of trees you cut down yourself and hope you dont get a life threatening injury that requires medical attention. For most people, this is not an option.

The goal is to create a world where you can ive by your own set of values without stepping on someone elses freedom, not imagining the world is already that way and by simply "keeping it real" it will somehow negate all the evil bullshit that goes on with government. If Ian and Mark decided to just say fuck all to the regulations, the guys with the guns would shut them down by force. Who would be getting the message out then?...........................The Rush Limbaughs and Rachel Maddows of the world, thats who.

P.S - Oh yeah, Ian is a smarmy little bastard sometimes, but you cant have everything in one package all the time. LOL


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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 05:21:35 PM »

Ian is not a "hypocrite" for paying local taxes, using some local government services, and proxy-compliance with the FCC - he is a great strategist.  He makes reasonable strategic compromises with the fact that the government is holding a gun to his head, and that ability allows him to do great things, like run his amazing radio show through which he has done more for liberty than like 99.99995% of people in this country!

The closest anyone can come to calling Ian a hypocrite is for running the "ON YOUR FEET! YOU ARE ENTITLED TO GOVERNMENT BENEFITS!" ads in the podcast, which just reeks of ideological compromise / appeasement - that, unlike tactical compromise, is completely unacceptable to me!  But that's just my humble opinion...
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 08:49:03 PM »

I love how giving your wallet to a robber instead of being murdered by him is being a "hypocrite."
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 09:48:44 PM »

Which part of the distinction between a tactical and an ideological compromise do you still fail to understand, WTFK?
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Re: Is Ian a Hypocrite?
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 01:31:23 AM »

Which part of the distinction between a tactical and an ideological compromise do you still fail to understand, WTFK?


I fail only to understand what kind of idiot conflates victims of organized crime with hypocrites.
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