Interesting Blog Piece ON The UK LP

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politics/threelinewhip/may/how-libertarians-undermine-liberty.html

What it will do, like the Libertarian Party has done in the United States, is to tarnish the libertarian brand

Libertarian thinking is already a force in party politics, as one of the strands of thinking in both the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats.

Kind of agree with the sentiments of this article

[darcgun]

UK libertarians are full of hot air.  They don't even have any organised movement.

That shitty LA does fuck all to spread liberty.

[DogOn]

UK libertarians are full of hot air.  They don't even have any organised movement.

That shitty LA does fuck all to spread liberty.

There's not enough libertarians to organize any movement. The overwhelming majority of people here think you have to want to kill someone if you want to own a gun, generally hate the rich, and think if we got rid of the NHS the streets would start filling up with corpses. Oh and the amount of state surveillance and privacy invasion here dwarfs nearly any western country.

There's no state system, and the local level government has a tiny say in the laws and taxes. Any smart libertarians are usually just waiting for an opportunity to jump ship, although I'm not going to shit on anyone and disrespect their commitment to liberty if they're trying to make things better.

[Taors]

UK libertarians are full of hot air.  They don't even have any organised movement.

That shitty LA does fuck all to spread liberty.

There's not enough libertarians to organize any movement. The overwhelming majority of people here think you have to want to kill someone if you want to own a gun, generally hate the rich, and think if we got rid of the NHS the streets would start filling up with corpses. Oh and the amount of state surveillance and privacy invasion here dwarfs nearly any western country.

There's no state system, and the local level government has a tiny say in the laws and taxes. Any smart libertarians are usually just waiting for an opportunity to jump ship, although I'm not going to shit on anyone and disrespect their commitment to liberty if they're trying to make things better.

Isle of Man, if the FSP falls on it's face, which it seems to be doing.

How so?

[Taors]

UK libertarians are full of hot air.  They don't even have any organised movement.

That shitty LA does fuck all to spread liberty.

There's not enough libertarians to organize any movement. The overwhelming majority of people here think you have to want to kill someone if you want to own a gun, generally hate the rich, and think if we got rid of the NHS the streets would start filling up with corpses. Oh and the amount of state surveillance and privacy invasion here dwarfs nearly any western country.

There's no state system, and the local level government has a tiny say in the laws and taxes. Any smart libertarians are usually just waiting for an opportunity to jump ship, although I'm not going to shit on anyone and disrespect their commitment to liberty if they're trying to make things better.

Isle of Man, if the FSP falls on it's face, which it seems to be doing.

How so?

They've had about 80 signups in the last year.

So?

[AntonLee]

liberty lovers will continue to come here whether or not the FSP is alive or dead.  Until there's a better solution, it's still the best one I have.

[darcgun]

UK libertarians are full of hot air.  They don't even have any organised movement.

That shitty LA does fuck all to spread liberty.

There's not enough libertarians to organize any movement. The overwhelming majority of people here think you have to want to kill someone if you want to own a gun, generally hate the rich, and think if we got rid of the NHS the streets would start filling up with corpses. Oh and the amount of state surveillance and privacy invasion here dwarfs nearly any western country.

There's no state system, and the local level government has a tiny say in the laws and taxes. Any smart libertarians are usually just waiting for an opportunity to jump ship, although I'm not going to shit on anyone and disrespect their commitment to liberty if they're trying to make things better.

So?  People love the state everywhere.  That makes Britain no different.

[DogOn]

So?  People love the state everywhere.  That makes Britain no different.

Guns will NEVER be legal for as long as the UK exists in its current form, which I can see continuing for a good 50 years. They're even banning most forms of sharp objects, and they're randomly checking people on the street in the name of knife crime. Orwellian state surveillance is huge here, and its made all the more prevalent due to the extreme population density of the place.

The UK is different. Theres no state system, and the parliamentary system means no national party will ever reduce the size of the state. Getting 30-40% of people nationwide to support liberty in ANY country is nigh on impossible. getting 30-40% of people in a geopolitical area of less than 2 million is somewhat more achievable.

although the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a liberty migration project to the canton of Zug.

Only 100,000 people, and only 239km² in area. It has extremely low taxes (lowest in switzerland), and the canton system + direct democracy makes a liberty migration project very feasable.

Only downside is I'm not sure I could get the numbers that the NH FSP is getting, partly due to Swiss immigration and partly because people think Switzerland is a boring shithole. Later in the year when I have more time and more money I may look into funding the Zug project some more.

[darcgun]

The UK is different. Theres no state system, and the parliamentary system means no national party will ever reduce the size of the state.

So a presidential system is more conducive to liberty?  How?

[DogOn]

The UK is different. Theres no state system, and the parliamentary system means no national party will ever reduce the size of the state.

So a presidential system is more conducive to liberty?  How?

The state system means less than 1 percent of the (national) population can make a huge difference if they all move to one state.

Under the presidential system no national party will ever reduce the size of the state either, though the federal government is much less intrusive. Also, in the UK we have an entire representative chamber (House of Lords) which is for the most part completely unelected. There has already been massive scandal over corruption for seats in this house.

Having a federal government, and state governments makes the whole thing much more decentralized, whereas in the UK you could
have every UK libertarian in the smallest constituency and it would make very little difference.

UK having no constitution, which makes it slightly easier for national government to erode freedoms.