In recent news: the Palestinians are still fucked up

[avshae]

Wafaa Younis, an Arab-Israeli musician, started teaching kids in Jenin to play the violin and other musical instruments, and formed an orchestra. Kids off the street holding violin bows instead of Molotoff cocktails, sounds good doesn't it? Apparently some parents in Jenin still think their kids should be doing after-school activities that don't include wearing explosive vests. The orchestra was apparently very successful, and recently they were set to play in Israel in a concert promoting peace. Read here how the Palestinian Authority treated Wafaa and her orchestra.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/03/30/1870536.aspx

Kinda makes you wonder, what kind of a state are they planning to run over there once they are free of the so-called Israeli "oppression".

[blackie]

and recently they were set to play in Israel in a concert promoting peace.

They played the concert. It was only after the concert that the issue came up. Pretty sad.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1073846.html

Palestinian children sing for Holocaust survivors
By The Associated Press


The Palestinian youths from a tough West Bank refugee camp stood facing the elderly Holocaust survivors on Wednesday, appearing somewhat defiant in a teenage sort of way. Then they began to sing.

The choir burst into songs for peace, bringing surprised smiles from the audience. But the event had another twist: Most of the Holocaust survivors did not know the youths were Palestinians from the West Bank, a rare sight in Israel these days. And the youths had no idea they were performing for people who lived through Nazi genocide - or even what the Holocaust was.

"I feel sympathy for them," said Ali Zeid, an 18-year-old keyboard player, who added that he was shocked by what he learned about the Holocaust, in which the Nazis killed 6 million Jews in their campaign to wipe out European Jewry.
   
"Only people who have been through suffering understand each other," said Zeid, who said his grandparents were Palestinian refugees forced to flee the northern city of Haifa during the war that followed Israel's creation in 1948.

The 13 musicians, aged 11 to 18, belong to Strings of Freedom, a modest orchestra from the Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank, the scene of a deadly 2002 battle between Palestinian militants and Israeli soldiers.

The event, held at the Holocaust Survivors Center in this tree-lined central Israeli town, was part of Good Deeds Day, an annual event run by an organization connected to billionaire Shari Arison, Israel's richest woman.

The two-hour meeting starkly highlighted how distant Palestinians and Israelis have become after more than eight years of bloody Palestinian militant attacks and deadly Israeli military reprisals.

Most of the Palestinian youths had not seen an Israeli civilian before - only gun-toting soldiers in military uniforms manning checkpoints, conducting arrest raids of wanted Palestinians or during army operations.

"They don't look like us," said Ahed Salameh, 12, who wore a black head scarf woven with silver.

Most of the elderly Israelis wore pants and T-shirts, with women sporting a smear of lipstick.

"Old people look different where we come from," Salameh said.

She said she was shocked to hear about the Nazi genocide against Jews. Ignorance and even denial of the Holocaust is widespread in Palestinian society.

Amnon Beeri of the Abraham Fund, which supports coexistence between Jews and Arabs, said most of the region's residents have no real idea about the other.

The youths said their feisty conductor, Wafa Younis, 50, tried to explain to them who the elderly people were, but chaos on the bus prevented them from listening.

The elderly audience said they assumed Arab children were from a nearby village - not from the refugee camp where 23 Israeli soldiers were killed, alongside 53 Palestinian militants and civilians, in several days of battle in April 2002.

Some 30 elderly survivors gathered in the center's hall as teenage boys and girls filed in 30 minutes late - delayed at an Israeli military checkpoint outside their town, they later explained.

Some of the young women wore Muslim head scarves - but also sunglasses and school ties.

As a host announced in Hebrew that the youths were from the Jenin refugee camp, there were gasps and muttering from the crowd. "Jenin?" one woman asked in jaw-dropped surprise.

Younis, from the Arab village of Ara in Israel, then explained in fluent Hebrew that the youths would sing for peace, prompting the audience to burst into applause.

"Inshallah," said Sarah Glickman, 68, using the Arabic term for God willing.

The encounter began with an Arabic song, "We sing for peace," and was followed by two musical pieces with violins and Arabic drums, as well as an impromptu song in Hebrew by two in the audience.

Glickman, whose family moved to the newly created Jewish state in 1949 after fleeing to Siberia to escape the Nazis, said she had no illusions the encounter would make the children understand the Holocaust. But she said it might make a small difference.

"They think we are strangers, because we came from abroad," Glickman said. "I agree: It's their land, also. But there was no other option for us after the Holocaust."

Later, she tapped her feet in tune as the teenagers played a catchy Mideast drum beat. After the event, some of the elderly Israelis chatted with students and took pictures together.

The encounter was not absent of politics. Younis dedicated a song to an Israeli soldier held captive by Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip - and also criticized Israel's occupation of the West Bank.

But she said the main mission of the orchestra, formed seven years ago to help Palestinian children overcome war trauma, was to bring people together.

"I'm here to raise spirits," Younis said. "These are poor, old people."

[libertylover]

The Holocaust is a particularly sensitive subject for Palestinians. There is widespread ignorance of the details of the atrocities committed by the Nazis against Jews during World War II and there is a sense among many Palestinians that why should they care about Jewish suffering more than 60 years ago when Israelis don’t seem to care about the suffering they are causing Palestinians today.

I wonder how Jews at Nazi camps felt about the Jewish musicians who played as fellow Jews were herded into the gas chambers?  Many felt they were collaborating with the enemy. 

[avshae]

There is no comparison between Gaza and Judea-Samaria Arab population's plight today and the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. Trying to do so is completely baseless, grossly misleading, and can only fool only the ignorant.

In any case, when the PA closes down projects like this you just know they aren't heading anywhere good. Its not as if children in Jenin have a whole lot of other alternatives. The only thing keeping Judea-Samaria from becoming another Gaza is Israel's presence there.

[libertylover]

There is no comparison between Gaza and Judea-Samaria Arab population's plight today and the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. Trying to do so is completely baseless, grossly misleading, and can only fool only the ignorant.

In any case, when the PA closes down projects like this you just know they aren't heading anywhere good. Its not as if children in Jenin have a whole lot of other alternatives. The only thing keeping Judea-Samaria from becoming another Gaza is Israel's presence there.

Why because the Zionist are slowly starving out the Palestinians rather than building gas chambers and ovens.  It is still genocide to cut off territories from free trade with other nations.  The West Bank and the Gaza are both under siege by Israel.  Israel has been sanctioned by the UN over 60 times for their war crimes.  Of course the USA whose lawmakers have been bought off by Israel vetoed them.  The Palestinians have zero sanctions brought against them. 

   1.  Resolution 106: "...condemns Israel for Gaza raid"
   2. Resolution 111: "...condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
   3. Resolution 127: "...recommends Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
   4. Resolution 162: "...urges Israel to comply with UN decisions"
   5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria"
   6. Resolution 228: "...censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
   7. Resolution 237: "...urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
   8. Resolution 248: "...condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
   9. Resolution 250: "...calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
  10. Resolution 251: "...deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
  11. Resolution 252: "...declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
  12. Resolution 256: "...condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation"
  13. Resolution 259: "...deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
  14. Resolution 262: "...condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
  15. Resolution 265: "...condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
  16. Resolution 267: "...censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
  17. Resolution 270: "...condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
  18. Resolution 271: "...condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
  19. Resolution 279: "...demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
  20. Resolution 280: "...condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
  21. Resolution 285: "...demands immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
  22. Resolution 298: "...deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
  23. Resolution 313: "...demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
  24. Resolution 316: "...condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
  25. Resolution 317: "...deplores Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
  26. Resolution 332: "...condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
  27. Resolution 337: "...condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
  28. Resolution 347: "...condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
  29. Resolution 425: "...calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
  30. Resolution 427: "...calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon"
  31. Resolution 444: "...deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
  32. Resolution 446: "...determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
  33. Resolution 450: "...calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
  34. Resolution 452: "...calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
  35. Resolution 465: "...deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
  36. Resolution 467: "...strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
  37. Resolution 468: "...calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
  38. Resolution 469: "...strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
  39. Resolution 471: "...expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
  40. Resolution 476: "...reiterates that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are null and void"
  41. Resolution 478: "...censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
  42. Resolution 484: "...declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
  43. Resolution 487: "...strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
  44. Resolution 497: "...decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
  45. Resolution 498: "...calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
  46. Resolution 501: "...calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
  47. Resolution 509: "...demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
  48. Resolution 515: "...demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
  49. Resolution 517: "...censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
  50. Resolution 518: "...demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
  51. Resolution 520: "...condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut"
  52. Resolution 573: "...condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters"
  53. Resolution 587: "...takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
  54. Resolution 592: "...strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
  55. Resolution 605: "...strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians"
  56. Resolution 607: "...calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
  57. Resolution 608: "...deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
  58. Resolution 636: "...deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians"
  59. Resolution 641: "...deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians"
  60. Resolution 672: "...condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount"
  61. Resolution 673: "...deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations"
  62. Resolution 681: "...deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians"
  63. Resolution 694: "...deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return"
  64. Resolution 726: "...strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians"
  65. Resolution 799: "...strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

lol @ quoting the UN which is run by 3rd world dictators and funded by the US.

[fatcat]

There is no comparison between Gaza and Judea-Samaria Arab population's plight today and the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. Trying to do so is completely baseless, grossly misleading, and can only fool only the ignorant.

You're right.



Gaza ghetto wall. Gaza Security Fence.



Warsaw Security Fence. Warsaw Ghetto Wall.

The walls the Nazi's built where much smaller than the ones Israel built. HOW DARE ANYONE COMPARE THE TWO!

[libertylover]

lol @ quoting the UN which is run by 3rd world dictators and funded by the US.

True enough but no other third party is bothering to document the abuses, do you expect the USA or Israel to admit to what is going on?  Just because a bunch of thugs say the sky is blue doesn't make it untrue.  And for clarification that is the list from 1955  til 1992 there have been many additions.  This is a link to a list of the US Vetoes of UN in favor of Israel. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html Please note this is from a Jewish run group that is pro Israel.  They are happily putting this information out there.  Like the US vetoed the resolution on Israeli forces intentionally bombing a UN food warehouse and killing a UN worker and the murder of several other UN Workers by Israeli forces. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/veto121902.pdf How sick is that and they wonder why starving people who are imprisoned should throw stones or make improvised weapons in an attempt to defend themselves.  Saddam Hussein didn't have any UN workers or inspectors killed and the USA rained all kinds of shit down on Iraq.

http://withstringsattached.org/ This is another Jewish group that is calling out for peace in the area.  All such groups are constantly harassed and threatened not from Palestinians but from the Israeli government.  And getting back to the original idea that Palestinians shouldn't have self rule because they don't want some of their children being performing monkeys for the amusement of Israelis.

Kinda makes you wonder, what kind of a state are they planning to run over there once they are free of the so-called Israeli "oppression".

Kinda know the kind of murderous state the Israelis are actually running now so shouldn't their government be overturned?  And being a democracy doesn't make it a just and fair government.  Hitler won 98% of the vote to get into office doesn't mean he wasn't evil bastard. 

[Andy]

Hitler won 98% of the vote to get into office doesn't mean he wasn't evil bastard. 

Uh, when was that exactly?

[patrickj]

Little gaza boy....

Playin in the gaza streets....


Whatcha' gonna do when you grow up....

And have to face responsibility....

[avshae]

There is no comparison between Gaza and Judea-Samaria Arab population's plight today and the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. Trying to do so is completely baseless, grossly misleading, and can only fool only the ignorant.

In any case, when the PA closes down projects like this you just know they aren't heading anywhere good. Its not as if children in Jenin have a whole lot of other alternatives. The only thing keeping Judea-Samaria from becoming another Gaza is Israel's presence there.

Why because the Zionist are slowly starving out the Palestinians rather than building gas chambers and ovens.

How can you call a 5% annual reproduction rate starving? How can you call supplying them with electricity, fuel, food and goods, plus allowing in aid, despite Hamas open hostile intentions toward Israel, starving? That is simply ludicrous. If Israel really wanted to starve Gaza it would be possible to do it within days.

It is still genocide to cut off territories from free trade with other nations.

First of all, no its not. And second, Israel is at war with Hamas who rules Gaza. It is perfectly legitimate for Israel to seek to prevent transport of anything it sees fit into and out of Gaza. And third, they have nothing to trade except Qassam rockets and suicide bombers. Do you know anyone who wants any?

Israel has been sanctioned by the UN over 60 times for their war crimes.  Of course the USA whose lawmakers have been bought off by Israel vetoed them.  The Palestinians have zero sanctions brought against them.

First of all, since the PA is not a member of the UN but only an observer, it is not possible to sanction or target a resolution against it. Be a good researcher and check how many western states regard Hamas as a terrorist organization.

And second, the UN is an organization where:
1) it is acceptable for an Arab to be Secretary-General, even though the region is in conflict
2) Arab states in conflict with Israel can be members of the security council passing resolutions against Israel
3) simply that there is only one Israel yet at least 30 Muslim countries that each get to vote,

then naturally Israel rarely gets a fair hand in the UN. When the US vetoes anti-Israeli propositions it is merely to counter the UN's inherent bias against Israel.

[avshae]

There is no comparison between Gaza and Judea-Samaria Arab population's plight today and the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. Trying to do so is completely baseless, grossly misleading, and can only fool only the ignorant.

You're right.



Gaza ghetto wall. Gaza Security Fence.



Warsaw Security Fence. Warsaw Ghetto Wall.

The walls the Nazi's built where much smaller than the ones Israel built. HOW DARE ANYONE COMPARE THE TWO!

More cheap demagogy.

China built a wall to defend against Mongolian intrusion, do you also compare them to the Nazis?

What about all these guys, are they Nazis too?

The Aparterrorism wall, as I like to call it, was built for the sole purpose of keeping suicide bombers out of Israel, and it is very effective at that. If you favor peace then you should favor this wall, as cessation of hostilities will never be possible unless extremist terrorists are prevented from blowing up buses and cafes in Israel.

[avshae]

Like the US vetoed the resolution on Israeli forces intentionally bombing a UN food warehouse and killing a UN worker and the murder of several other UN Workers by Israeli forces. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/veto121902.pdf

Have you noticed that you referenced the Syrian draft for the resolution? I wonder whether there was an Israeli draft for that resolution.

Hitler won 98% of the vote to get into office doesn't mean he wasn't evil bastard. 

Mega-False. Get you facts right or else you can't fool anyone but the ignorant.

The rest of your claims I have more or less addressed in previous posts.

[libertylover]

Like the US vetoed the resolution on Israeli forces intentionally bombing a UN food warehouse and killing a UN worker and the murder of several other UN Workers by Israeli forces. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/veto121902.pdf

Have you noticed that you referenced the Syrian draft for the resolution? I wonder whether there was an Israeli draft for that resolution.

  Why would a Jewish site run by Jews not include an Israeli draft?   You might want to ask the webmaster for that site that question.  It seemed sufficient for the group that posted it.

Hitler won 98% of the vote to get into office doesn't mean he wasn't evil bastard. 

Mega-False. Get you facts right or else you can't fool anyone but the ignorant.
The rest of your claims I have more or less addressed in previous posts.

Suck it you are wrong.  Hitler was elected leader when Austria agreed to become part of Germany and allow Hitler to be their leader.  In that election he won 98% of the vote.  When he came to power in Germany his party won the majority with 33% of the vote it was later that he used Nazi held seats to change the German constitution and make himself dictator.  So democracy isn't all it is cracked up to be because it is easy for evil people to actually win elections and take over countries.

How Austria was taken over by Hitler

The Following Letter Was Originally Posted in the Worldtlk echo by Steve Davis
What I'm about to tell you is something you've probably never read, or will ever read in history books. I believe that I'm an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected Hitler by 98% of the vote. I've never read that in any American publication. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria over.

In 1938, Austria was in deep depression. We had nearly one third of our workforce unemployed, 25% inflation, and a 25% interest rate from banks. Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy every day. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn't want to work, but there simply wasn't any work. My mother was a very devout woman who believed that you have to help the people in need. I remember she had a big kettle of soup every day, on the stove, and we baked bread to feed those poor hungry people, about thirty each day.
The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna, Lenzt, and Grotz were being destroyed. The people became desperate, and petitioned the government to let the people decide what kind of government they wanted. We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime. But they did have a high living standard. There was nothing being said of persecution of anyone, Jewish or otherwise, just that every one was happy. We wanted the same thing for Austria. We were promised that if we would vote for Hitler, everyone would be employed in two or three weeks, and he would help the family. He also said that businesses would be helped. And the farmers would get their farms back.
98% of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany, and have Hitler be our ruler.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingLeft/wakeupcallshow/blog/2008/09/22/THE-OLD-AND-NEW-HITLER-HAVE-YOU-EVER-REALLY-REVIEWED-THE-HISTORY-AND-COMPARED-TO-CURRENT-USA

[avshae]

Like the US vetoed the resolution on Israeli forces intentionally bombing a UN food warehouse and killing a UN worker and the murder of several other UN Workers by Israeli forces. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/veto121902.pdf

Have you noticed that you referenced the Syrian draft for the resolution? I wonder whether there was an Israeli draft for that resolution.

  Why would a Jewish site run by Jews not include an Israeli draft?   You might want to ask the webmaster for that site that question.  It seemed sufficient for the group that posted it.

Why did they not use the Israeli draft? Because there is no Israeli draft, Israel has never been a member of the UN security council, the bulk of Arab and Muslim states in the UN assembly would never approve it. Syria however, in major conflict with Israel for decades, has been on the security council quite a few times. In light of that information is it any wonder that the US vetoes such resolution drafts which SYRIA INITIATES?

Hitler won 98% of the vote to get into office doesn't mean he wasn't evil bastard. 

Mega-False. Get you facts right or else you can't fool anyone but the ignorant.
The rest of your claims I have more or less addressed in previous posts.

Suck it you are wrong.  Hitler was elected leader when Austria agreed to become part of Germany and allow Hitler to be their leader.  In that election he won 98% of the vote.  When he came to power in Germany his party won the majority with 33% of the vote it was later that he used Nazi held seats to change the German constitution and make himself dictator.  So democracy isn't all it is cracked up to be because it is easy for evil people to actually win elections and take over countries.

How Austria was taken over by Hitler

The Following Letter Was Originally Posted in the Worldtlk echo by Steve Davis
...
98% of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany, and have Hitler be our ruler.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingLeft/wakeupcallshow/blog/2008/09/22/THE-OLD-AND-NEW-HITLER-HAVE-YOU-EVER-REALLY-REVIEWED-THE-HISTORY-AND-COMPARED-TO-CURRENT-USA

Be careful which well you drink from. You have quoted a second-hand blog which features labels such as "heading left", "history with a concentration on black America", and the title "THE OLD AND NEW HITLER - HAVE YOU EVER REALLY REVIEWED THE HISTORY AND COMPARED TO CURRENT USA" (Capital letters left untouched). This second-hand blog quotes a letter posted by a guy on some other second-hand blog. Allow me to doubt the validity of that source.
On the other hand, many sources which I consider more reliable say that Hitler took over Austria:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa090399.htm
http://www.thirdreichruins.com/austria.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_hitler_take_over_Austria

Some of these sources mention that after Hitler took over Austria, the unification was approved by popular vote. And one source does mention that the popular vote was won by 98%. Now lets think a bit shall we? 98% in a democratic vote, that seems a bit landslide. Was there ever a president in the US or a referendum in any democratic country that got 98%? Of course not, because the Austrian vote to approve Hitlers annexation of Austria was most likely bogus. Only dictators "win" "elections" in such numbers. See the following sources:

Saddam Hussein won a "democratic" election
So did Syrian President Hafez Al-Assad
Dictators use referendums too, with my favorite quote: "Adolf Hitler employed many of [such] methods, including referendum, to obtain his objectives."

Is it any wonder to you why no one seems to recall this piece of "information"?