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BonerJoe

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Re: If borders don't exist...
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2010, 04:14:48 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.
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Re: If borders don't exist...
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2010, 04:43:24 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.
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Re: If borders don't exist...
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2010, 05:06:41 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

The British East India Company was explicitly created by the British government, I'm not too sure if it counts as "free market." Although it, like the Hudson's Bay Company, certainly fit all the reqirements for "scary evil corporation"...

A better example might be the Hanseatic League or the Novgorod Republic.

Of course, Somalia is, as always, the best example of a libertarian paradise, because there is no government to speak of there.
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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2010, 05:23:31 PM »

Of course, Somalia is, as always, the best example of a libertarian paradise, because there is no government to speak of there.

I'm guessing it remains that way because there are no real significant natural resources to exploit to profit from installing a puppet government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_industry_of_Somalia
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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2010, 05:27:20 PM »

Of course, Somalia is, as always, the best example of a libertarian paradise, because there is no government to speak of there.

I'm guessing it remains that way because there are no real significant natural resources to exploit to profit from installing a puppet government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_industry_of_Somalia

And the pirates loot the mineral ships trying to sail away.

The system works.
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« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2010, 05:54:35 PM »

It's obvious that we're playing a game we can't win. The assholes ruin it for anarchy, they also ruin it for any chance of a small government being able to keep from growing. And 95% of the populace doesn't give a shit as long as they're fed and can watch the ESPN.
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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2010, 06:35:18 PM »

...like i've said innumerable times, for the anachists.

it becomes mad-maxian. you have property someone wants....water....land.....a big peach tree.....
in a post shtf world, they gonna come git it, if they ain't got it, and you hafta have a bigger ''free market'' group to repel their ''free market'' group (code-speak for gang)
hey, i've always been a free market = less govt. guy, but.....>don't make me say it<, please



timelady snuck somalia in b4 i could.
great example.
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BonerJoe

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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2010, 06:40:32 PM »

Will the anarcho-pirates play with nukes?

Probably.
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Re: If borders don't exist...
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2010, 11:11:30 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

The British East India Company was explicitly created by the British government, I'm not too sure if it counts as "free market." Although it, like the Hudson's Bay Company, certainly fit all the reqirements for "scary evil corporation"...

A better example might be the Hanseatic League or the Novgorod Republic.

Of course, Somalia is, as always, the best example of a libertarian paradise, because there is no government to speak of there.

You know, other voluntaryists, im sure you have had this same thought before. What's stopping a giant company like the Trading company for forming without the govt? Sure we have the govt as examples in the past. But if someone were to ask us what would we do about it in a free society, nothing obviously, even if they used force on peoples overseas
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« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2010, 01:36:39 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

That's in mercantilism, not a stateless society.
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« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2010, 03:48:40 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

That's in mercantilism, not a stateless society.

Doesn't change that it did what it did in the name of making money, like the average corporation does.
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« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2010, 07:18:24 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

That's in mercantilism, not a stateless society.

Doesn't change that it did what it did in the name of making money, like the average corporation does.

...in the environment set up by an enabling state...  :roll:
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« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2010, 07:30:03 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

That's in mercantilism, not a stateless society.

Doesn't change that it did what it did in the name of making money, like the average corporation does.

...in the environment set up by an enabling state...  :roll:

So fucking what? There's every reason to believe that in a stateless society it would have done the exact same thing, instead of more brutally.

A corporation exists to create profit, and it creates it by the lowest bottom line possible. A group of mercenaries hired by the company could easily - as shown by the examples of mining towns - defeat people who rise up against it.
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Re: If borders don't exist...
« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2010, 01:37:19 PM »

The nature of commerce in liberty doesn't allow a true monopoly--especially of power.

History does not support this.

Right.

The British East India Company comes to mind.

That's in mercantilism, not a stateless society.

Doesn't change that it did what it did in the name of making money, like the average corporation does.

...in the environment set up by an enabling state...  :roll:

So fucking what? There's every reason to believe that in a stateless society it would have done the exact same thing, instead of more brutally.

A corporation exists to create profit, and it creates it by the lowest bottom line possible. A group of mercenaries hired by the company could easily - as shown by the examples of mining towns - defeat people who rise up against it.

So it's not the same fucking thing, that's fucking what.
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« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2010, 07:28:33 PM »

Somalia is a terrible example of what a western libertarian society would look like. That is a whole different culture with far different morals. But the tribesmen areas are a fairly good example of what a small government society looks like in Africa.
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