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I've thought about this for a long, long time, vassilated, debated, discussed with my darling wife, discussed with some close friends.

No. No, I'm never gonna live there.

Contrary to what some people think, I've never been against moving. I won't have anything to do with the FSP as an organization because of my often referenced issues with honesty and integrity, which have still yet to be publicly addressed, but the idea of moving was never completely removed from the table.

Dennis Goddard offered to get my name removed from their list, which is cool and a nice gesture, but that wasn't the point. The point was addressing the issue of lying about FSP membership numbers. (Dennis, you're obviously not personally responsible for this, so nothing against you. I appreciated the gesture.)

But this isn't even about the FSP organization, actually.

The list of complaints is a Death by a Thousand Cuts. Lots and lots of little things. Which is very frustrating because I know there are a lot of cool people out there.

But the final nail happened today. Not so much an event, as a realization. There's no place for me in the NH freedom movement.

I'm not going to run for office, and I'm not going to protest, and everyone there seems to think I would have an obligation to do so or open myself up to ridicule.

I don't need ten people to run in here and jump on me with "Naw man! Lots of people move to NH as Free Staters and just chill!". It seems inevitable that we'd be harangued into doing some crap beyond what I'm interested in.

I have no interest in your politics, and I have no interest in your protests. Yeah, there's a small slice of place for me in the "Exposing the enemy quietly, from afar." area, but frankly, the "From afar" thing can happen right here. (Once the goddamn movie is done.)

So yeah, there's no place for me to fit in. At least not one that would motivate me to throw away everything I have and chug it out there. The only thing that would happen is that the activists and politically active alike would annoy the piss out of me with their pushiness, and I'd keep retreating until both sides start calling me "Fence sitter" or some shit when they have no idea what I'm doing.

I do freedom oriented stuff every day, but I keep my mouth shut about it, and I don't need people busting my balls and second guessing me when I'm already pulling my weight, just because I'm not stupidly exposing myself/bragging about shit.

The other issue is my beloved wife, who, while quieter publicly, has a razor sharp intellect and some very strong opinions. She went over to the FSP forum, covertly, read several dozen threads (Maybe hundreds, she's a quick reader.) and watched for a couple days. Her conclusion was that "As a person who graduated high school almost 25 years ago, I have no interest in returning."

She never comes here for somewhat similar reasons, substituting "high school" with "Freak show" and "Graduated" with "Saw", an opinion that I don't agree with, but understand.

We don't really drink, and we don't really smoke (Green or brown), and we don't really drug. Parties aren't our thing. We're publicly quiet homebodies who keep to ourselves, pretty much. We have friends and enjoy their company, but in a mellow, quiet way. Like, movie night and shit.  

In before "We don't need you anyway!" and other expressions of anger. If you feel angry from what I'm saying, or the need to jump in, think about that. I haven't attacked anyone. I'm not badmouthing people. I'm just saying why we aren't a match for NH.

I like the majority of people I've met in and from NH. Nice people. Shit, even anarchojessie was polite to me (If not friendly) after I repeatedly dressed him down publicly. (An action I stand by without reservation.) Shitton of awesome people came and helped with the movie. I'd love to be able to hang with those peeps regularly. But I don't think it's worth it to move there. I can shoot out for Porcfest and hang out. Maybe I'll do Liberty Forum at some point. That's enough for me. Besides, I'm a small doses kinda dude for most people. I'll end up pissing people off anyway.

So there. That's my official, final decision. Unless I change my mind.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my #1 reason. I respect your decision, but I personally don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.
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I'm sure you know all the pros and cons of moving there, more-so than myself. I respect your decision and personally feel you will do  (or may have done) more for the liberty movement than many other free staters ever will. I still hope to see you some day in NH, since you are one of my many "FSP Liberty Celebrities" I'd like to eventually shake the hand of :)
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my reason. I respect your reasoning, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

I feel ya and I totally understand, but I think about how often I see my friends IRL as it is... People who live 20 minutes away. Maybe three or four times a year for a couple hours? If I go to Porcfest for 3 or 4 days, I'll be getting more quality time with my liberty friends in NH than any of my friends anywhere else, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hang with my friends more often, but I'm not really a super outreach kinda guy.
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 :?  You've given it a lot of thought for you and your wife's best argument against it to be people might say bad things about you. 

Makes me wonder what could be the reasons you would move that would both cause so much thought yet be so easily defeated in the end.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my reason. I respect your reasoning, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

I feel ya and I totally understand, but I think about how often I see my friends IRL as it is... People who live 20 minutes away. Maybe three or four times a year for a couple hours? If I go to Porcfest for 3 or 4 days, I'll be getting more quality time with my liberty friends in NH than any of my friends anywhere else, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hang with my friends more often, but I'm not really a super outreach kinda guy.

I guess that is a lot easier when you have found someone to spend the rest of your life with.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my #1 reason. I respect your decision, but I personally don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.
Seth Cohn (freestater) tried to get me locked up.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my #1 reason. I respect your decision, but I personally don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

Seth Cohn (freestater) tried to get me locked up.

Another reason to have nothing to do with him.
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:?  You've given it a lot of thought for you and your wife's best argument against it to be people might say bad things about you.  

Um, no. You're wrong. Have I had a history on the BBS of worrying about people saying bad things about me? Come on now.

The issue is that the only possible reason I'd have to move is to have more friends, and that they'd inevitably start busting my fucking chops to do shit I'm not interested in. I can have friends right here. I'm not interested in activism of any kind, unless you count news stories, and there's already enough people in NH with cameras and a chip on their shoulder. (Not in a bad way.) EDIT: And they aren't making any damned money.

Makes me wonder what could be the reasons you would move that would both cause so much thought yet be so easily defeated in the end.

"So easily"? That's insulting. Took me/us seven years to decide for sure, and I already described the "Pros" and "Cons" from my perspective.



Didn't you catch the "In before..."?
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my reason. I respect your reasoning, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

I feel ya and I totally understand, but I think about how often I see my friends IRL as it is... People who live 20 minutes away. Maybe three or four times a year for a couple hours? If I go to Porcfest for 3 or 4 days, I'll be getting more quality time with my liberty friends in NH than any of my friends anywhere else, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hang with my friends more often, but I'm not really a super outreach kinda guy.

I guess that is a lot easier when you have found someone to spend the rest of your life with.

Yes, you certainly have to pick between your loves.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my reason. I respect your reasoning, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

I feel ya and I totally understand, but I think about how often I see my friends IRL as it is... People who live 20 minutes away. Maybe three or four times a year for a couple hours? If I go to Porcfest for 3 or 4 days, I'll be getting more quality time with my liberty friends in NH than any of my friends anywhere else, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hang with my friends more often, but I'm not really a super outreach kinda guy.

I guess that is a lot easier when you have found someone to spend the rest of your life with.

Oh man I understand. I'm not for one second suggesting that our decision is applicable to anyone else, man. What we should be wanting for our friends is for them to be happy. If you're gonna be happy in NH, or having a good chance and finding some happiness, fucking go for it, man.

I just wish some free staters would offer me the same sentiment. But they'd rather tell me the FSP equivalent of "We'll pray for you." as if I'm some fucking immoral idiot who's lost his way.
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I use a royal "We" there. Sorry.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my reason. I respect your reasoning, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

I feel ya and I totally understand, but I think about how often I see my friends IRL as it is... People who live 20 minutes away. Maybe three or four times a year for a couple hours? If I go to Porcfest for 3 or 4 days, I'll be getting more quality time with my liberty friends in NH than any of my friends anywhere else, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hang with my friends more often, but I'm not really a super outreach kinda guy.

I guess that is a lot easier when you have found someone to spend the rest of your life with.

Oh man I understand. I'm not for one second suggesting that our decision is applicable to anyone else, man. What we should be wanting for our friends is for them to be happy. If you're gonna be happy in NH, or having a good chance and finding some happiness, fucking go for it, man.

I just wish some free staters would offer me the same sentiment. But they'd rather tell me the FSP equivalent of "We'll pray for you." as if I'm some fucking immoral idiot who's lost his way.

Its jealousy man. You have a lot of things many of them do not.  I think you can figure out what that is.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my reason. I respect your reasoning, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.

I feel ya and I totally understand, but I think about how often I see my friends IRL as it is... People who live 20 minutes away. Maybe three or four times a year for a couple hours? If I go to Porcfest for 3 or 4 days, I'll be getting more quality time with my liberty friends in NH than any of my friends anywhere else, you know?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hang with my friends more often, but I'm not really a super outreach kinda guy.

I guess that is a lot easier when you have found someone to spend the rest of your life with.

Oh man I understand. I'm not for one second suggesting that our decision is applicable to anyone else, man. What we should be wanting for our friends is for them to be happy. If you're gonna be happy in NH, or having a good chance and finding some happiness, fucking go for it, man.

I just wish some free staters would offer me the same sentiment. But they'd rather tell me the FSP equivalent of "We'll pray for you." as if I'm some fucking immoral idiot who's lost his way.

Its jealousy man. You have a lot of things many of them do not.  I think you can figure out what that is.

That may be so. The more cynical part of me thinks that it's not so much what I have that they want, but what they want FROM me. Like I'm gonna show up in NH and do some awesome shit or something. If I moved, I'd be chilling on my porch with a mint julep as far as anyone knows, because if I'm doing something, the only people that'll know are the people I'm doing it for/to.

Also, another thing I didn't mention in my original post - Free Staters are some of the cheapest fucking tightwads I've ever met. You can't make money there. Everyone wants you to come join the underground economy, but no one wants to buy your shit. I'll leave a caveat open for Lupo and his jewelry, I guess.
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Didn't you catch the "In before..."?

Yes, I caught all the parts where you focus on what people will say about you.  I'm not telling you what to do, I'm just saying it's weird coming from you and I don't get it. 

I'm familiar w/ oversensitve, when I get my feelings hurt I will avoid that person for the rest of my life or until they do something to indicate I can expect them to act different in the future, but that's me.  If it were ME saying my number one reason for not moving to NH is that people are mean to me and hurt my feelings it would be different.  But it's not me.  Doesn't seem like you.
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