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ziggy_encaoua

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I fear the future considering the likes of Alice Humphreys
« on: February 17, 2008, 03:50:25 PM »

In the contemporary political climate you hold to the principle of individual liberty you’re more then likely to be considered a kook & ultimately ostracized after being poked & mocked but never what you say taken seriously. I’ve pondered more then once lately why I bother making a stand for individual liberty when I’m either mocked or ignored & on one occasion its been suggest I need therapy. What’s worse that this doesn’t just come from the uneducated masses but from fellow members of The Liberal Democrats.
 
The reason I do continue campaigning for the cause of individual liberty is that the opposition to the current authoritarianism in Britain is so ineffective & so I guess somebody has to shout in opposition. In fact what pisses me off more isn’t the government being authoritarian as I kind f expect any government to be so, it’s the lack of an effective opposition. I so often feel I’m fighting on my own for the cause of liberty because nobody is willing to make any sacrifice for the betterment of individual liberty. I think people daydream that if they whine about etc enough suddenly etc will change. No it takes real sacrifice & those who are prepared to make real sacrifices for liberty are labelled as kooks.

Yeah in my experience if you’re a liberty activist in Britain you’re seen as a ‘kook’, ‘maladjusted’ not noble or honourable. Jeez Orwell would puke or scream at such notions but hey this is the consequence of the post ideology & no conviction political climate & I fear for the future especially considering the likes of Alice Humphreys my local Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate.


Alice claims to have convictions oh yeah a conviction to say anything which will get her elected. I remember not so long ago I asked her about the recent proposals the Labour government had on cracking down on prostitution, which were a infringement on property rights, that one owns their own body & should be free to do what they like with it so long as they aren’t harming anybody. Not a hard concept to understand but what was Alice’s reply, well it was “err…well…err….err”. I wonder do they give out free tubs of Vaseline to all Lib Dems because sitting on fence long enough will hurt anybody’s backside & of course piss me off no end for being incapable of being adamant.
 
Alice claims I come off sounding like a anarchist yet Alice claims to of read John Stuart Mill’s On Liberty, it’s the most important influence when it comes to my personal political philosophy. Anyways if Alice had read it she’d realised I’m not an anarchist but actually a genuine liberal because On Liberty is just an important book to liberals as it is to libertarians. But hey why the fuck should that matter because this is the age of post ideology & no principle politics, so matters non that you’ve no idea what liberalism is if you join the Liberal Democrats. Oh there are plenty of members who have no clue of what liberalism is & when reminded of it deny, cringe & run away or accuse me of being a kook.
 
Recently a Lib Dem said to me that classical liberals & libertarians have a blinkered view that freedom is being left unmolested, err its not blinkered because that is what freedom basically is to quote the late great Bill Hicks ‘What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?’. Fucking social democrats well the euphemism Caring Understanding Nineties Type comes to mind. Oh they can never leave people alone because they seem to have the arrogant notion they know how best people should live their lives even if they don’t want or need such advice.
 
On a personal note the reason I never ask for help even when maybe I should is this attitude people have that they know better then me about how I should live my life is ingrained in British culture & it stinks. You ask for help & you won’t get the help that you think you need your get the help others think you need. But even if you don’t ask for help, even if you pass no opinion or any judgement on others people still think they know better about how I should be living my life. Is it any wonder I’m such a recluse & avoid people as much as possible, is it any wonder I sneer at social democrats the political expression of noisy neighbours.
 
Social democrats the ones who want to tax junk food, the ones who want to issue smoking licences, who continuously infringe upon basic individual rights & if you don’t conform to their no better whim then you need therapy. I’m amongst other things I’m left asking myself why is it they are now the more dominant wing of the Liberal Democrats they’re fucking fascists & fuck off back to the Labour Party.
 
Since the Labour Party has steadily become not so trendy & decidedly unpopular I’ve observed the wishy-washy socialists drift to the Liberal Democrats & attempting to corrupt the Liberal Democrats into a solely social democratic party. Hey I didn’t join a social democrat party purporting continuous intervention into the lives of individuals because of an arrogant assumption social democrats know better. I joined a party which had believed the individual should be unmolested as much as possible. Yes maybe I’m a fool but I believe that is what the The Liberal Democrats still should be a party of conviction & principle about the cause of individual liberty.
 
Well after over a decade of being member I know no notice of a word I’ve. Just another rant from Ziggy & the condescending, mocking, poking will continue. So why have I written a 1000 odd words in vain. Well because I won’t lie down you can ostracize me & you can crucify me but you can’t shut me up because I believe with a passion what I say & somebody has to keep the cause of individual liberty alive.
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Re: I fear the future considering the likes of Alice Humphreys
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 04:25:17 PM »

Recently a Lib Dem said to me that classical liberals & libertarians have a blinkered view that freedom is being left unmolested, err its not blinkered because that is what freedom basically is to quote the late great Bill Hicks ‘What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?’.

There is always a dozen, buts, ifs and "that's just not realistic" from people who prefer to stick to their beliefs like its a football match and not actually something you use objective, critical thought to try and determine.

These are the same people who use the "it's just different" platitude to such questions as :

Why is alcohol legal while less harmful drugs are illegal?

If you want the government to be in charge of distributing health care why not food or cars?


You have to ease liberty on people with rational yet personally tailored discussion. Most people care more about how their beliefs make them feel than if they're right or not, and bombarding them with all the anti-state bile most sane people build up over the course of the week won't win them over.
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Re: I fear the future considering the likes of Alice Humphreys
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 05:02:14 PM »

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Yeah in my experience if you’re a liberty activist in Britain you’re seen as a ‘kook’, ‘maladjusted’

At this point I'd take that as a complement.

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but hey this is the consequence of the post ideology & no conviction political climate

Yeah, the worst part is it's not even Benthamite utilitarianism (whixch would be bad enough), but which before I found libertarianism I would have described as 'common sense' not an ideology (though of course I still had prejudices against the more extreme aspects) it's just naked trendy opportunism.

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Recently a Lib Dem said to me that classical liberals & libertarians have a blinkered view that freedom is being left unmolested

Does he have an alternative suggestion, wait ... let me guess, the ability to do what you want.

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Most people care more about how their beliefs make them feel than if they're right or not


Yep.

I have successfully turned one of my friends into a proto-libertarian (still has some nationalist tendencies) another one won't even give up on drug prohibition (despite being a drug user)

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Re: I fear the future considering the likes of Alice Humphreys
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 05:45:58 PM »

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Recently a Lib Dem said to me that classical liberals & libertarians have a blinkered view that freedom is being left unmolested

Does he have an alternative suggestion, wait ... let me guess, the ability to do what you want.

Nah he was an interventionalist
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Re: I fear the future considering the likes of Alice Humphreys
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 07:18:20 PM »

Who?
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Re: I fear the future considering the likes of Alice Humphreys
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 07:35:19 AM »

Guy called Simon who's a silver spoon born member of the party
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