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Re: Human Egoism - Pet Ownership is a Moral Flaw
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2009, 11:03:49 AM »

I would bet that your parents wish they had... taught you not to launch pointless ad hominem attacks.  :roll:

It was an insult. Why do the geeks always throw out the "ad hominem attacks" when they are faced with an insult. Really it's getting old and not every comment is a debate, but call it was ever you want. I'll call it a burn and laugh.
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Re: Human Egoism - Pet Ownership is a Moral Flaw
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2009, 01:28:51 PM »

<1>  Fix your grammar, I have no idea what your second sentence is supposed to mean.

<2>  Added hyperlink to Wikipedia article on "negative and positive rights".

I was taking the same approach that Vegans do to interperting the NAP.
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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2009, 06:48:06 PM »

It was an insult. Why do the geeks always throw out the "ad hominem attacks" when they are faced with an insult. Really it's getting old and not every comment is a debate, but call it was ever you want. I'll call it a burn and laugh.

When I am in debate mode, I feel an obligation to address all feedback rationally, even if that means pointing out that an obvious insult is irrelevant to the argument at hand.  Then I can call you an asshole, asshole.  See?


I was taking the same approach that Vegans do to interperting the NAP.

Vegans do not base their moral values on reason, but on subjective emotion, and people like that cannot be trusted to do the right thing.  Hitler (I don't believe bringing him up is a fallacy every time) was an (uncommitted) vegetarian and believed animals should have state-recognized rights, but some of his other subjective feelings weren't so compassionate...
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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2009, 08:28:11 PM »

people like that cannot be trusted to do the right thing.
People can not be trusted to do the right thing.
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Re: Human Egoism - Pet Ownership is a Moral Flaw
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2009, 08:56:28 PM »

It was an insult. Why do the geeks always throw out the "ad hominem attacks" when they are faced with an insult. Really it's getting old and not every comment is a debate, but call it was ever you want. I'll call it a burn and laugh.

When I am in debate mode, I feel an obligation to address all feedback rationally, even if that means pointing out that an obvious insult is irrelevant to the argument at hand.  Then I can call you an asshole, asshole.  See?


I was taking the same approach that Vegans do to interperting the NAP.

Vegans do not base their moral values on reason, but on subjective emotion, and people like that cannot be trusted to do the right thing.  Hitler (I don't believe bringing him up is a fallacy every time) was an (uncommitted) vegetarian and believed animals should have state-recognized rights, but some of his other subjective feelings weren't so compassionate...

Not all vegitarians are nazis,  nor are they all irrational
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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2009, 09:11:43 PM »

It was an insult. Why do the geeks always throw out the "ad hominem attacks" when they are faced with an insult. Really it's getting old and not every comment is a debate, but call it was ever you want. I'll call it a burn and laugh.

When I am in debate mode, I feel an obligation to address all feedback rationally, even if that means pointing out that an obvious insult is irrelevant to the argument at hand.  Then I can call you an asshole, asshole.  See?


I was taking the same approach that Vegans do to interperting the NAP.

Vegans do not base their moral values on reason, but on subjective emotion, and people like that cannot be trusted to do the right thing.  Hitler (I don't believe bringing him up is a fallacy every time) was an (uncommitted) vegetarian and believed animals should have state-recognized rights, but some of his other subjective feelings weren't so compassionate...

Not all vegitarians are nazis,  nor are they all irrational
Yeah, and not everything Hitler did was bad. Some of his paintings just sold.
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Re: Human Egoism - Pet Ownership is a Moral Flaw
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2009, 09:32:50 AM »

First of all, I may owe this thread a confession of emotional hypocrisy.  I was visiting someone this morning, and I rode up in an elevator with a nice old guy who had the cutest little Chihuahua puppy evah!  It was all excited to see me, and I petted it, and it licked my hand, and awww...  I want one!  But I will overrule that emotion for rational reasons.


People can not be trusted to do the right thing.

Obviously, but some people are more trustworthy than others.  The only rational way to tell (how trustworthy someone is) is by projecting from their past actions.  There's nothing wrong with going vegan for health or other reasons, but making sacrifices (exchanging greater value for lesser) because of your emotional attachment to animals is a moral flaw, and a major negative for their trustworthiness rating.


Not all vegitarians are nazis,  nor are they all irrational

Like I've said in the first post, using (or not using) animals for your benefit is morally neutral, but making sacrifices based on this irrational emotion of misplaced pity is immoral.  This isn't to say that it should be illegal, what you do with your property is your right, but reasonable people should avoid people who hold irrational emotions in such high esteem.  That's the point of this thread.

Furthermore, forcing others to make sacrifices based on your irrational emotions, which is what "animal rights" movement is all about, is an initiation of force that rational people will feel a moral imperative to defend themselves against!
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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2009, 11:48:40 AM »

[...]  Your cats can't grow up, get jobs, buy large houses, and compete over who grandpa / grandpa is going to stay with, as in some large human families.  [...]

Wow, I meant to say "grandpa / grandma" - gayest typo evah!  :lol:
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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2009, 12:50:43 PM »

The pet nazis on nhliberty are making me sick!  :x
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2009, 08:07:06 PM »

Oh joy, a heavily consequentialist based argument for morality.     :|

Though after reading the thread supporting taxation for childless couples, I'm going to guess that you are either joking about this stuff (probably not), or are one heavy utilitarian.   You'd probably like Judge Posner.
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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2009, 08:47:40 PM »

Evolutionary Pragmatism != Utilitarianism

(Read Ayn Rand.)
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2009, 06:07:56 PM »

So, did anyone follow my advice yet?


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Re: Human Egoism - Pet Ownership is a Moral Flaw
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2009, 12:19:39 AM »

nope

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Re: Human Egoism - Pet Ownership is a Moral Flaw
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2009, 10:44:17 PM »

i think libman would have waited in the bushes, patiently biding his time drinking cheap vodka, and then attempt to throw the pet-owner against the wall...after which he would grab the dog by the leash, toss it against the same wall while exclaiming, "FLY!!  BE FREE!!!"
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