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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2009, 06:04:55 PM »

Let me a little more specific.  I'm a guy.  Two guys kissing is bad enough.  The rest of it is unthinkable.

Two women kissing is unthinkable?  Poor thing. 

 

By the rest, I meant the other stuff that two guys do.  Fill in the details for yourself.

I really think, on average, that straight men are more repulsed by gay men than straight women are repulsed by lesbians.

I'm not saying that you can wish yourself to be gay or lesbian.  If it's not in your nature, it's not.  What I am saying is that men who are attracted to women and women who are attracted to men, can choose to have sex with members of the same sex.  (Note to self: I can't believe I'm having this discussion)
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2009, 06:13:48 PM »

I really think, on average, that straight men are more repulsed by gay men than straight women are repulsed by lesbians.

Oh, no doubt.  It's just that....well.....some of them go much more out of their way to express exactly how  repulsed they are than others.  It's as if they're defending something. 

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I'm not saying that you can wish yourself to be gay or lesbian.  If it's not in your nature, it's not.  What I am saying is that men who are attracted to women and women who are attracted to men, can choose to have sex with members of the same sex. 

Sure, just as I can choose to eat spaghetti even though I hate spaghetti.   A homosexual, however, is generally defined as a person who is attracted  to people of the same sex.  Somebody who forces him or herself to sleep with someone of the same sex is no more a homosexual than I would be a spaghetti enthusiast. 

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(Note to self: I can't believe I'm having this discussion)

A frank discussion of sexuality?  Horrors!     :P
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2009, 06:52:49 PM »

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Let me a little more specific.  I'm a guy.  Two guys kissing is bad enough.  The rest of it is unthinkable.  I don't harbor any ill will or think they're going to burn in hell.  I did say that I believe some homosexuals are born that way.  I also believe many man are looking for uncomplicated sex and that's why they go that way.  And there are many women who subscribe to a false feminism and believe that it requires them to hate men.

I doubt you have much objection to men desiring uncomplicated sex with women, or doing sexual things with them. It isn't the ACT, but who is doing it that bothers you.

Would you think otherwise if it were a matter of two committed partners engaging in sex?
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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2009, 07:55:40 PM »

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Let me a little more specific.  I'm a guy.  Two guys kissing is bad enough.  The rest of it is unthinkable.  I don't harbor any ill will or think they're going to burn in hell.  I did say that I believe some homosexuals are born that way.  I also believe many man are looking for uncomplicated sex and that's why they go that way.  And there are many women who subscribe to a false feminism and believe that it requires them to hate men.

I doubt you have much objection to men desiring uncomplicated sex with women, or doing sexual things with them. It isn't the ACT, but who is doing it that bothers you.

Would you think otherwise if it were a matter of two committed partners engaging in sex?

I don't actually care what people do.  And that goes for homosexuals and heterosexuals. 
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2009, 08:21:53 PM »

I also believe many man are looking for uncomplicated sex and that's why they go that way.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

I've watched gay porn several times in an attempt to spark/reveal some sort of attraction to men, and I have absolutely no "repulsive" feelings towards seeing or thinking about homosexual activity.

I would sincerely like to be attracted to men. Theres not so much cultural bullshit attached to what "being a man" is, compared to "being a woman", except maybe excessive sports enthusiasm. Also it seems theres less assumption and uniformity in what a "relationship" is with same sex relationships.

 and in general it would be great to double the amount of potential sexual partners, but I've sat there, in front of the screen, and boredom, not repulsion, or attraction is the prevailing emotion

I genuinely do not believe it is possible to change your sexual preference through force of will.

Sure, there may be people who are borderline bisexual, who might go out of their way to have sex with one gender over another for a number of reasons, but I think it has to be based on some sort of attraction, no matter how small, or people just wouldn't bother.

Unless someone has a really strange personality disorder where they find the need to seek out unpleasant sex.
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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2009, 08:41:54 PM »

Alright, show me the "gay" gene.  Show me the "murderer" gene.  Show me the "food preference" gene.

Nobody is born gay.  And if you think people are born gay, and you believe in the theory of evolution, then you have to admit that it is a negative mutation on an allele with an abnormally high mutation rate.  Gays don't have kids so they don't pass the gene on to further generations, so if there is a "gay" gene then it must be formed by mutation every generation. 

There's no evidence for any of that, so "born gay" has got to be nonsense.  It's an outrageous claim that must be proven by genetic scientists.

Either you believe in free will and agree that "born gay" is bogus--people choose who they mate with--or you believe in determinism and believe that "born gay" is God's Will.

If you believe evolution is correct, then how does this "gay" gene continue to get passed on generation after generation?
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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2009, 09:17:58 PM »

Alright, show me the "gay" gene.  Show me the "murderer" gene.  Show me the "food preference" gene.

Nobody is born gay.  And if you think people are born gay, and you believe in the theory of evolution, then you have to admit that it is a negative mutation on an allele with an abnormally high mutation rate.  Gays don't have kids

Stop-- there's your error right there.  Gays have kids all of the time-- my boyfriend's dad is gay.  Maybe you missed the part earlier in the thread in which we talked about how somebody who is attracted to the opposite sex is still physically capable of having sex with someone of the same sex.  The same is true in reverse. 
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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2009, 05:22:45 PM »

Alright, show me the "gay" gene.  Show me the "murderer" gene.  Show me the "food preference" gene.

Nobody is born gay.  And if you think people are born gay, and you believe in the theory of evolution, then you have to admit that it is a negative mutation on an allele with an abnormally high mutation rate.  Gays don't have kids so they don't pass the gene on to further generations, so if there is a "gay" gene then it must be formed by mutation every generation. 

There's no evidence for any of that, so "born gay" has got to be nonsense.  It's an outrageous claim that must be proven by genetic scientists.

Either you believe in free will and agree that "born gay" is bogus--people choose who they mate with--or you believe in determinism and believe that "born gay" is God's Will.

If you believe evolution is correct, then how does this "gay" gene continue to get passed on generation after generation?

By that logic, no one should be born infertile, because an infertile person could never pass on their genes.

 except mutations happen, and genetic inheritance doesn't happen by dominance only.

2 people with non genetic illness can give birth to one person with a genetic illness because of recessive genes.

Likewise, the fact that people are born with a "gay gene" if there is such a thing, does not mean that their parents had to be gay.

and of course, as Rillion pointed out, you don't have to be attracted to someone to have sex with them. Plenty of people have sex for plenty reasons, not all of them are because of sexual attraction.

Also in terms of whether there is a gene that causes homosexuality, its irrelevant.

Whether someone is "born" gay or not, doesn't mean that you can choose your sexual preferences.

I think they can probably be shaped by experiences, and the fact homosexuality is common in animals backs up a biological basis, but I haven't heard of a single case where someone has though "I'm going to decide to be attracted to men now", and they have gone from total heterosexuality to total homosexuality.

Confusing will with preference is just plain dumb.

Just because you can want to change a preference doesn't mean you can.

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Either you believe in free will and agree that "born gay" is bogus--people choose who they mate with--or you believe in determinism and believe that "born gay" is God's Will.

Ignoring the false dichotomy, you're confusing sexual preference with free will.

Of course people choose who they mate with, whether they choose who they decide to be attracted to is another thing, and I think its pretty obviously not a thing of conscious choice.

When I see people I am an attracted to, it is an instant, instinctive thing, primarily based on appearance.

Being "born" gay, is kind of an erroneous statement. Any sexual attraction is based on biology. Men can't spring a boner without a certain selection of hormones and neurotransmitters, and as far as I know people don't have conscious control over these hormones (besides thinking of arousing thoughts). However this doesn't mean you have to have a "gay" gene.

Your biology is shaped by your environment from day one, and just as the fact that I don't like the taste of beetroot is likely a combination of my genetic biology, and that which has formed by environment, sexuality is probably the same thing.
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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2009, 09:42:00 AM »

Alright, show me the "gay" gene.  Show me the "murderer" gene.  Show me the "food preference" gene.

Nobody is born gay.  And if you think people are born gay, and you believe in the theory of evolution, then you have to admit that it is a negative mutation on an allele with an abnormally high mutation rate.  Gays don't have kids so they don't pass the gene on to further generations, so if there is a "gay" gene then it must be formed by mutation every generation.

I don't know if their is a gay gene or not, as I am not a geneticist. It could be a mutation. Your claim that gays don't have children is false, though. Gays can and do have children, both those who are openly gay, but fertilise a surragate mother to have kids, and those who are not openly gay, but who suppress it and live as straights, marrying and having kids.

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There's no evidence for any of that, so "born gay" has got to be nonsense.  It's an outrageous claim that must be proven by genetic scientists.

Either you believe in free will and agree that "born gay" is bogus--people choose who they mate with--or you believe in determinism and believe that "born gay" is God's Will.

You are confused about the free will vs determinism debate. The possibility of free will does not mean that all our decisions are expressions of free will. It means that we are capable and able of being the sufficient cause of our actions. Our will being the sufficient cause of our actions does not imply that it is also the necessary cause, does it?
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2009, 05:10:20 PM »

Show me the Gay Gene.  If you can't show it to me, then your claims that people are "Born Gay" are ridiculous.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2009, 05:22:17 PM »

Show me the Gay Gene.  If you can't show it to me, then your claims that people are "Born Gay" are ridiculous.

Who claimed that, again?  I only see people allowing for the possibility.  You, on the other hand, are apparently certain that there is not  a gay gene even though you have absolutely no way of knowing whether that's true. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2009, 05:23:04 PM »

Show me the Gay Gene.  If you can't show it to me, then your claims that people are "Born Gay" are ridiculous.

http://current.com/items/89532751_geneticists-getting-nearer-to-the-elusive-gay-gene.htm
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In the ongoing search for the "gay gene," geneticists believe they've found something related. They found a gene which is only present in gay men and very fertile women. The study found that the mothers and sisters of gay men have more children than the women in families with straight men.

The team of geneticists hypothesize that these genes may cause males and females to be extremely attracted to men, which in turn, leads men to pursue other men, while causing women to have more sexual partners, and become pregnant slightly more often than an average woman.

Scientists will maintain that there is, as of yet, no "gay gene," and there are surely environmental factors involved. Still, no one knows what causes lesbianism.
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2009, 05:33:47 PM »

Show me the Gay Gene.  If you can't show it to me, then your claims that people are "Born Gay" are ridiculous.

Who claimed that, again?  I only see people allowing for the possibility.  You, on the other hand, are apparently certain that there is not  a gay gene even though you have absolutely no way of knowing whether that's true. 
I don't think there is, but if someone can show incontrovertible proof that there is one, then I'd rescind that claim.
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2009, 05:34:49 PM »

Show me the Gay Gene.  If you can't show it to me, then your claims that people are "Born Gay" are ridiculous.

http://current.com/items/89532751_geneticists-getting-nearer-to-the-elusive-gay-gene.htm
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In the ongoing search for the "gay gene," geneticists believe they've found something related. They found a gene which is only present in gay men and very fertile women. The study found that the mothers and sisters of gay men have more children than the women in families with straight men.

The team of geneticists hypothesize that these genes may cause males and females to be extremely attracted to men, which in turn, leads men to pursue other men, while causing women to have more sexual partners, and become pregnant slightly more often than an average woman.

Scientists will maintain that there is, as of yet, no "gay gene," and there are surely environmental factors involved. Still, no one knows what causes lesbianism.

Interesting, still no proof of a gay gene yet, but apparently they're getting "closer" to finding one.
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2009, 07:46:34 PM »

Show me the Gay Gene.  If you can't show it to me, then your claims that people are "Born Gay" are ridiculous.

False. There's strong evidence to support that sexuality is determined by hormones in the womb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation
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