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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2009, 11:44:57 PM »

It doesn't matter how many died.
Yes it does. If it isn't approximately 6 million or more Jews, it is "Holocaust Denial".

No, it's not.
Oh, I guess it's down to 5 million or more now. Weird how that number keeps shrinking.

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Key elements of this claim are the rejection of any of the following: that the Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews and people of Jewish ancestry for extermination as a people; that over five million Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies; and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

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and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

Yeah, that's the more important part.

Unless you're just going to assume that there was no such thing as the Einsatzgruppen, Himmler never said that the Holocaust was a chapter in history "that is not to be written and will never be written," there was no Wannsee conference, there were no experiments of Mengele, Hitler never said in the 20s that if he were elected to office he would have the Jews hung one by one on the lampposts of Munich . . .

Hell, war crimes don't happen at all. There was no Unit 791 of the Japanese Imperial Army, there was no Sack of Berlin by the Soviet Army, the CIA never waterboarded civilians, etc.
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2009, 12:06:31 AM »

It doesn't matter how many died.
Yes it does. If it isn't approximately 6 million or more Jews, it is "Holocaust Denial".

No, it's not.
Oh, I guess it's down to 5 million or more now. Weird how that number keeps shrinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
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Key elements of this claim are the rejection of any of the following: that the Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews and people of Jewish ancestry for extermination as a people; that over five million Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies; and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

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and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

Yeah, that's the more important part.
Why is that important?

What does it matter how they died?
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2009, 12:18:07 AM »

It doesn't matter how many died.
Yes it does. If it isn't approximately 6 million or more Jews, it is "Holocaust Denial".

No, it's not.
Oh, I guess it's down to 5 million or more now. Weird how that number keeps shrinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
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Key elements of this claim are the rejection of any of the following: that the Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews and people of Jewish ancestry for extermination as a people; that over five million Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies; and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

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and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

Yeah, that's the more important part.
Why is that important?

What does it matter how they died?

Because it was a policy of the German Government to kill the Jews and make Germany "Jew-free."

That is why it matters.
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2009, 12:37:31 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/05/08/facebook.holocaust.denial/index.html


Facebook urged to remove Holocaust-denial groups


(CNN) -- Part of the power of social networking is the ability to form communities with like-minded individuals.

But what happens when those communities are offensive to others?

That issue is at the heart of attempts by a Dallas, Texas, attorney to have social-networking site Facebook remove pages for Holocaust deniers.

The Holocaust Denial movement seeks to deny or minimize the Holocaust, in which Nazis killed about six million European Jews during World War II.

Attorney Brian Cuban, brother of Dallas Mavericks team owner Mark Cuban, has been trying since last year to have the pages of groups with such names as "Holocaust: A Series of Lies," and "Holocaust is a Holohoax" removed from Facebook.

He pointed out that Facebook has removed groups based on complaints before and said the site is "setting the subjective standard on what they remove and what they don't."

"There is no First Amendment right to free speech in the private realm," Cuban said. "This isn't a freedom-of-speech issue. Facebook is free to set the standard that they wish."

Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said his company is in agreement with Cuban that the Holocaust-denial pages are offensive and objectionable.

Where the two sides part, Schnitt said, is whether people have the right to discuss such ideas on Facebook.

"It's a difficult decision to make. We have a lot of internal debate and we bring in experts to talk about it," Schnitt said. "Just being offensive or objectionable doesn't get it taken off Facebook. We want it [the site] to be a place where people can discuss all kinds of ideas, including controversial ones."

Schnitt said Facebook has drawn the line with pages or groups that attack an individual or incite or threaten violence. Schnitt pointed to the recent removal of the "Isle of Man KKK" page, created by residents of the island off the coast of England.

Facebook interpreted the page's advocacy of "cleansing the island of foreigners" as threatening and inciting violence, he said.

Facebook receives lots of reports about such pages and actively polices the site, Schnitt said. Last year Facebook removed several pages posted by Italian neo-Nazis after complaints that they encouraged violence against gypsies.

Brian Cuban, who is of Russian Jewish descent, has written about his fight to have the Holocaust-denial pages removed on his site, The Cuban Revolution.

He said he contacted Facebook after a conversation with a friend who runs the Jewish Internet Defense Force, a group that monitors and tries to eradicate anti-Semitic online content.

The Jewish Internet Defense Force, which was successful in removing a Facebook page for the group "Israel Is Not A Country! Delist It From Facebook As A Country," is outspoken in its own right and sometimes guilty of sweeping generalizations of its own.

In an article on Brian Cuban's site published during the 2008 presidential campaign, a representative from the Jewish Internet Defense Force was quoted as saying that "99.9 percent of Muslims hate us."

The article went on to quote JIDF spokesman on the last Presidential campaign: "We hope to continue to highlight the issues surrounding [then-candidate Barack Obama's] terrorist connections as well as his racist and anti-Semitic church, which has supported Hamas and the Rev. Louis Farrakhan."

A Jewish Internet Defense Force spokesperson named David, who requested his last name be withheld because his group has received death threats, said Thursday he would rather people not focus on those specific quotes for several reasons, including the fact that it was an "informal interview" and Cuban "would not let us correct any of our statements after we quickly answered him to help him meet his deadline."

But on the matter of Facebook and Holocaust deniers, the Jewish Internet Defense Force has a clear stance.

"Facebook should not provide a platform for hatred, especially as it is against their TOS [terms of service]," David said. "Holocaust denial is illegal in 13 countries and represents a form of Jew hatred and hate speech in general."

Deborah Lipstadt is the Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University and an expert on Holocaust denial. She said social-networking sites like Facebook are attractive to deniers.

"It allows people to find one another, both for good and for bad," she said. "People who are drawn to Holocaust denial tend to be fringe kind of people who might not otherwise be able to find a group, but this way they can find other like-minded people."

Deborah Lauter, director of Civil Rights for the Anti-Defamation League, said the issue of anti-Semitism and hate speech online is a growing one, partly because of the anonymity the Web offers.

Lauter pointed out that Facebook's Statement of Rights and Responsibilities says that users "will not post content that is hateful, threatening, pornographic, or that contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence."

She said the Anti-Defamation League has worked with sites such as YouTube and MySpace to encourage them to be "socially responsible corporate citizens."

"Even though in the States this kind of hate is protected speech, [Web sites] don't have to provide the forum to help spread it," said Lauter, whose organization is the U.S. representative for the International Network Against CyberHate. "Our position is that if you are going to be providing it, then you have to step up and put in the mechanism for policing it."
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2009, 01:52:23 PM »



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and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

Yeah, that's the more important part.

Unless you're just going to assume that there was no such thing as the Einsatzgruppen, Himmler never said that the Holocaust was a chapter in history "that is not to be written and will never be written," there was no Wannsee conference, there were no experiments of Mengele, Hitler never said in the 20s that if he were elected to office he would have the Jews hung one by one on the lampposts of Munich . . .

Hell, war crimes don't happen at all. There was no Unit 791 of the Japanese Imperial Army, there was no Sack of Berlin by the Soviet Army, the CIA never waterboarded civilians, etc.

A history book written like this would be very short.

It would also have the Pilgrims getting off the Mayflower, and singing cumbya with the Injuns untill Thanksgiving, then buying land as their numbers increased.
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2009, 02:35:28 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..

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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2009, 02:41:16 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..


aren't you talking about those false memoirs by some woman or another?
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2009, 03:38:02 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..


aren't you talking about those false memoirs by some woman or another?

Yes, there is the newest "revelation" that the book about a romance between two holocaust survivors never occurred.  But there is also the old story about the girl hidden in the attic (the name of the book escapes me at the moment) which was required reading way back in the 60's and still is today that has been shown to also be a work of fiction (even though that "fact" is never discussed even in the classes where it is required reading). 

But even more disturbing is the "FACT" that EVERYTHING in history is distorted to some degree.  The only question is to what degree.  History is always written by the conquerors and so is always written from that perspective. 

Does any of this mean that an event labeled "The Holocaust" DID NOT occur?  No, it is obvious to most anyone that a lot of Jews were killed during the war by the Nazis.  I think it is pretty clear that the number WAS NOT 6 million as is always touted (even in the story above).  Was the actual number closer to 3 million?  We will never know as all that information is spotty and some of it has been destroyed or lost. 

Of course all of you point to the historical event that is called the life of Christ and tell me how inaccurate it is (and I freely admit that some of it is indeed inaccurate) but then you latch onto this holocaust event and treat all the hype as fact (even though much of it has been proven to be false). 

So now my challenge to you is:  ADMIT that some of the history of the holocaust is inaccurate...  (  )True  or   (  ) False?

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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2009, 03:50:23 PM »


video or it didn't happen

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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2009, 04:09:57 PM »


video or it didn't happen



gods you're such a moron
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2009, 04:11:18 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..


aren't you talking about those false memoirs by some woman or another?


Does any of this mean that an event labeled "The Holocaust" DID NOT occur?  No, it is obvious to most anyone that a lot of Jews were killed during the war by the Nazis.  I think it is pretty clear that the number WAS NOT 6 million as is always touted (even in the story above).  Was the actual number closer to 3 million?  We will never know as all that information is spotty and some of it has been destroyed or lost. 



so what happened to all the fags, gypsies, slavs, and mentally retarded then

they count as part of it too!
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Re: Holocaust Denial
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2009, 06:00:10 PM »

I repeat (in hopes that some here will actually answer and think about the consequences...)


So now my challenge to you is:  ADMIT that some of the history of the holocaust is inaccurate...  (  )True  or   (  ) False?

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« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2009, 09:29:24 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..

What if it was your grandfather telling you about it from first hand experience.
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« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2009, 09:49:42 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..

What if it was your grandfather telling you about it from first hand experience.
and somehow he survived...
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« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2009, 10:02:53 PM »

"The Holocaust", like every other historical event, has truth and fiction as evidenced by some recent book that had to be withdrawn by the publisher when they found out the entire "holocaust" event it was based on was pure fiction...

If you believe everything you see in a "holocaust museum" or taught in "history" books, you are way too gullible..

What if it was your grandfather telling you about it from first hand experience.
and somehow he survived...
Even though the rest of his family, 9 brothers, 2 sisters was killed alongside him in the camps.
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