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Title: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 03, 2007, 04:45:07 PM
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This week, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted to surrender United States Sovereignty to the third world and the corrupt United Nations!

Of course, we're talking about the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST)!

That means LOST will be on a fast track to the Senate floor where we will need 34 votes to TORPEDO the dangerous treaty!

In fact, Minority Leader Harry Reid and other supporters of LOST are so anxious to ram this treaty through the Senate that they are planning to force a vote any day now.

But there is hope.

A few weeks ago, when the news broke that Members of the Senate were trying to bring LOST to the floor and ratify it under the cover of darkness, patriotic Americans across the country began to protest the treaty.

And the politicians in Washington began to take notice!

Senators Jim DeMint, David Vitter, Mitch McConnell, Trent Lott, Jon Kyl and Daniel Inhofe started fighting LOST tooth and nail.

Even presidential candidates Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mike Huckabee have since spoken out against LOST!

Now that this movement to ratify LOST is out in the open, we can defeat it!

But the American people need to make one final push now because the Senate can vote on LOST at almost any time!

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Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 04, 2007, 05:33:46 PM
Surrender our sovereignty over to third world nations? Where do I sign up!
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Zhwazi on November 04, 2007, 10:28:42 PM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 04, 2007, 11:03:34 PM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 04, 2007, 11:17:09 PM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 05, 2007, 12:11:52 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 05, 2007, 12:22:42 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 05, 2007, 12:27:44 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: JKMP on November 05, 2007, 12:29:13 AM
Giving away any of our sovereignty away is a horrible mistake!  but what can I do to stop it?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: JKMP on November 05, 2007, 12:33:12 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.

it is a productive thing... it allows the UN to tax americans buisnesses... very productive for the UN, its another step to them controling us... one government is enough of a problem... I hope this damn thing gets shot down.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 05, 2007, 12:33:20 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.

Hence why this is a UN proposition. Only an international organization has the power to make every country sign this or suffer from mutual exclusion from trade. If it will significantly help the environment, I'm for it.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: JKMP on November 05, 2007, 12:35:45 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.

Hence why this is a UN proposition. Only an international organization has the power to make every country sign this or suffer from mutual exclusion from trade. If it will significantly help the environment, I'm for it.

its a bueracracy, how much good can it do? even if it helped the enviorment what problems are gonna come?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 05, 2007, 12:44:08 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.

Hence why this is a UN proposition. Only an international organization has the power to make every country sign this or suffer from mutual exclusion from trade. If it will significantly help the environment, I'm for it.

its a bueracracy, how much good can it do? even if it helped the enviorment what problems are gonna come?

When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 05, 2007, 01:04:20 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.

Hence why this is a UN proposition. Only an international organization has the power to make every country sign this or suffer from mutual exclusion from trade. If it will significantly help the environment, I'm for it.

its a bueracracy, how much good can it do? even if it helped the enviorment what problems are gonna come?

When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.
So lets make it as oppressive as possible RIGHT NOW! 
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 05, 2007, 01:07:39 AM
What the fuck does the LOST even do? If you don't tell me what I'm supporting or opposing exactly you sure as hell won't get my support for it.
It allows the UN to tax people operating in international waters

Will this protect the environment?
Of course not.

How not? Won't they be able to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?
Haha!  All this would do is that people would stop registering their boats out of US ports and switch to other countries who refuse to sign.  So how can this possibly be a productive thing?  And how would the UN taxing people enable them to regulate dumping and polluting at sea?  People could just do it anyways.  The only difference would be that they would have to pay massive taxes to the UN.

Hence why this is a UN proposition. Only an international organization has the power to make every country sign this or suffer from mutual exclusion from trade. If it will significantly help the environment, I'm for it.

its a bueracracy, how much good can it do? even if it helped the enviorment what problems are gonna come?

When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.
So lets make it as oppressive as possible RIGHT NOW! 

Oh quit being a crybaby. If we want to make things oppressive I'm certain we can do better than a sea tax.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Hologene Relapse on November 05, 2007, 02:00:11 AM
No to taxes, period and end of story. You take it out of your wallet, but not out of mine unless you want a piece of lead in the back of your ass.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 05, 2007, 03:14:25 PM
No to taxes, period and end of story. You take it out of your wallet, but not out of mine unless you want a piece of lead in the back of your ass.

Prove it tough thing.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Zhwazi on November 05, 2007, 05:23:00 PM
No to taxes, period and end of story. You take it out of your wallet, but not out of mine unless you want a piece of lead in the back of your ass.
Prove it tough thing.
You go rob Hologene then. If you want taxes collected right, collect them yourself. Collect them from me too and I'll give you more or less the same treatment.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 05, 2007, 05:35:12 PM
No to taxes, period and end of story. You take it out of your wallet, but not out of mine unless you want a piece of lead in the back of your ass.
Prove it tough thing.
You go rob Hologene then. If you want taxes collected right, collect them yourself. Collect them from me too and I'll give you more or less the same treatment.

The government is doing a fine job, thanks.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: wtfk on November 05, 2007, 06:34:47 PM
No to taxes, period and end of story. You take it out of your wallet, but not out of mine unless you want a piece of lead in the back of your ass.
Prove it tough thing.
You go rob Hologene then. If you want taxes collected right, collect them yourself. Collect them from me too and I'll give you more or less the same treatment.

The government is doing a fine job, thanks.

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Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: Manuel_OKelly on November 17, 2007, 02:42:48 PM
Think about it, the UN will have a tax. That means they will have money. Money to buy weapons and armies and the ability to invade and police the countries under it's jurisdiction, this is a really bad idea. Once that happens then it will setup a power structure in the UN and they will be asked to 'solve' the worlds problems. This parallels federalism in the United states. World wars will in fact become World Civil wars.

While there is no Guarantee that this would happen, there is some pretty heavy historical precedent starting with American Federalism.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: JKMP on November 17, 2007, 10:12:48 PM
When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.

Can we? Its hard enough dealing with the corruption and constitutional rights violations in our own country, how about a stronger UN and our own country.  I'm more worried about my rights. earth is an issue, but I don't think its an issue more government can fix. there are few if any issues government can fix without creating more issues.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 18, 2007, 05:30:20 AM
When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.

Can we? Its hard enough dealing with the corruption and constitutional rights violations in our own country, how about a stronger UN and our own country.  I'm more worried about my rights. earth is an issue, but I don't think its an issue more government can fix. there are few if any issues government can fix without creating more issues.

Please name one oppressive government that hasn't been overthrown in due time. The market will not protect the environment, as history has shown. Government intervention in the marketplace to protect the environment wouldn't be necessary if all of the claptrap about competition breeding clean industry was true.
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: JKMP on November 18, 2007, 12:20:54 PM
When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.

Can we? Its hard enough dealing with the corruption and constitutional rights violations in our own country, how about a stronger UN and our own country.  I'm more worried about my rights. earth is an issue, but I don't think its an issue more government can fix. there are few if any issues government can fix without creating more issues.

Please name one oppressive government that hasn't been overthrown in due time. The market will not protect the environment, as history has shown. Government intervention in the marketplace to protect the environment wouldn't be necessary if all of the claptrap about competition breeding clean industry was true.
So you would sacrifice more of our dwindling rights in order for a buracracy to "maybe" do somthing about a possible enviormental problem?  Why do you trust governments?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 18, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.

Can we? Its hard enough dealing with the corruption and constitutional rights violations in our own country, how about a stronger UN and our own country.  I'm more worried about my rights. earth is an issue, but I don't think its an issue more government can fix. there are few if any issues government can fix without creating more issues.

Please name one oppressive government that hasn't been overthrown in due time. The market will not protect the environment, as history has shown. Government intervention in the marketplace to protect the environment wouldn't be necessary if all of the claptrap about competition breeding clean industry was true.
So you would sacrifice more of our dwindling rights in order for a buracracy to "maybe" do somthing about a possible enviormental problem?  Why do you trust governments?

Tell me JKMP, what is more important to you, your right to own an assault weapon or the world's lowlands?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: JKMP on November 18, 2007, 01:20:15 PM
When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.

Can we? Its hard enough dealing with the corruption and constitutional rights violations in our own country, how about a stronger UN and our own country.  I'm more worried about my rights. earth is an issue, but I don't think its an issue more government can fix. there are few if any issues government can fix without creating more issues.

Please name one oppressive government that hasn't been overthrown in due time. The market will not protect the environment, as history has shown. Government intervention in the marketplace to protect the environment wouldn't be necessary if all of the claptrap about competition breeding clean industry was true.
So you would sacrifice more of our dwindling rights in order for a buracracy to "maybe" do somthing about a possible enviormental problem?  Why do you trust governments?

Tell me JKMP, what is more important to you, your right to own an assault weapon or the world's lowlands?
My right to Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Why do you think a buracracy will solve whatever enviormental problems you find pressing?
Title: Re: Help Fight Law of the Sea Treaty
Post by: EricfromMI on November 18, 2007, 01:52:58 PM
When the Earth craps out it's all over. We can always overthrow an oppressive government.

Can we? Its hard enough dealing with the corruption and constitutional rights violations in our own country, how about a stronger UN and our own country.  I'm more worried about my rights. earth is an issue, but I don't think its an issue more government can fix. there are few if any issues government can fix without creating more issues.

Please name one oppressive government that hasn't been overthrown in due time. The market will not protect the environment, as history has shown. Government intervention in the marketplace to protect the environment wouldn't be necessary if all of the claptrap about competition breeding clean industry was true.
So you would sacrifice more of our dwindling rights in order for a buracracy to "maybe" do somthing about a possible enviormental problem?  Why do you trust governments?

Tell me JKMP, what is more important to you, your right to own an assault weapon or the world's lowlands?
My right to Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Why do you think a buracracy will solve whatever enviormental problems you find pressing?

You have no right to liberty and no right to pursue happiness if you are dead. Business has historically proven itself incapable of self regulation, or regulation of pollution by competition. The government on the other hand has dealt with many environmental problems handily.