HD Bailout

[Turd Ferguson]

Heres the way I see it.

At this point in the game, do you guys want to see the government TRY and get its spending under control and try paying down a reported 13 Trillion debt (probably 60 trillion in reality, knowing those fucks and their creative accounting methods) and putting all taxpayers on the hook for the principal and interest? I sure dont. It would take a gazillion years and they would STILL come back a gazillion years later saying "well guys, we tried, but thanks for paying all those interest payments on the 100 trillion we now owe due to the fact that its literally impossible to have a federal government that can be responsible for its actions, but thanks for trying anyway". I sure dont

Thats why I rarely complain about government spending and who gets what for what reason. Its all pointless. They will go bankrupt, no doubt about it. Math doesn't lie.

Lets just spend spend spend like theres no tomorrow and hope there really is no tomorrow for this bloated pig of a govt because of it.

If this view seems inconsistent to any of you guys on a liberty level, well, like George Carlin once said, "well, youre just gonna have to figure that shit out on your own" because I see no other way out from under their thumb besides them going belly up and just disappearing. If you wanna see the fed get their spending under control so they can stay in power longer, have at it.

I say let the bailouts continue, grab what you can from them while you can. If you can get food stamps or free housing, or whatever bullshit they dole out  people, do it and dont feel bad about it because if we want the free market world where shit like this cant happen, their system of handouts has to go belly up first/ Lets not prolong the inevitable. Lets "GIT R' DONE"


PS - Right now, im in the process of filling out paperwork where the federal government pays me 50k to maintain a christmas tree farm under the Federal Forestry Act. They pay me to maintain the trees, then when they mature, I sell them at a profit and never have to pay back the 50k

Im doing my tiny little part to bankrupt them. i suggest you do the same.

[Branlin]

Yeah, I know. Just throwing out the dumb assed argument. Us liberty people need to be more consistant on this one, it looks bad when we use that argument as a excuse to take the government money.
I am against any bailout anytime. I was trolling. (sssshhhhh, don't tell anyone!)

Ok, np, I'm still trying to figure this place out.

Sometimes I feel like I'm posting at www.we-love-government.com   

[Branlin]

Heres the way I see it.

At this point in the game, do you guys want to see the government TRY and get its spending under control and try paying down a reported 13 Trillion debt (probably 60 trillion in reality, knowing those fucks and their creative accounting methods) and putting all taxpayers on the hook for the principal and interest? I sure dont. It would take a gazillion years and they would STILL come back a gazillion years later saying "well guys, we tried, but thanks for paying all those interest payments on the 100 trillion we now owe due to the fact that its literally impossible to have a federal government that can be responsible for its actions, but thanks for trying anyway". I sure dont

Thats why I rarely complain about government spending and who gets what for what reason. Its all pointless. They will go bankrupt, no doubt about it. Math doesn't lie.

Lets just spend spend spend like theres no tomorrow and hope there really is no tomorrow for this bloated pig of a govt because of it.

If this view seems inconsistent to any of you guys on a liberty level, well, like George Carlin once said, "well, youre just gonna have to figure that shit out on your own" because I see no other way out from under their thumb besides them going belly up and just disappearing. If you wanna see the fed get their spending under control so they can stay in power longer, have at it.

I say let the bailouts continue, grab what you can from them while you can. If you can get food stamps or free housing, or whatever bullshit they dole out  people, do it and dont feel bad about it because if we want the free market world where shit like this cant happen, their system of handouts has to go belly up first/ Lets not prolong the inevitable. Lets "GIT R' DONE"


PS - Right now, im in the process of filling out paperwork where the federal government pays me 50k to maintain a christmas tree farm under the Federal Forestry Act.

Im doing my tiny little part to bankrupt them. i suggest you do the same.

LOL, this is how my best buddy sees it, and I understand the thinking. He brought it up when the "Cash for Clunkers" program was out there, and I was bitching about it because my (extremely liberal) niece took advantage of it.

But I can't participate for the same reason I never have, and never would, work for any level of government.

But I agree with the sentiment of bringing it down.

[blackie]

They pay me to maintain the trees, then when they mature, I sell them at a profit and never have to pay back the 50k

You don't have to pay taxes when you sell the trees?

Im doing my tiny little part to bankrupt them. i suggest you do the same.

I don't have any interest in filling out their paperwork and jumping through their hoops.

You are pretty much inviting the government into your life. That is fine for you, but I don't want to do that. I just want them to leave me alone. I want as little interaction with the government as possible.

[Turd Ferguson]

Yeah, I used to feel EXACTLY the same way as you do. At this point though, I've realized theres nothing that can be done to gradually bring down the size of the government. Its all or nothing with them. Might as well do my part to make it nothing by crushing them under their own weight.

[Turd Ferguson]

They pay me to maintain the trees, then when they mature, I sell them at a profit and never have to pay back the 50k

You don't have to pay taxes when you sell the trees?

Im doing my tiny little part to bankrupt them. i suggest you do the same.

I don't have any interest in filling out their paperwork and jumping through their hoops.

You are pretty much inviting the government into your life. That is fine for you, but I don't want to do that. I just want them to leave me alone. I want as little interaction with the government as possible.

Sure, you pay taxes on the trees when you sell them, but it will never amount to the 50k that you took from them.



I havent invited the government into my life. They are already there. Everytime I buy a gallon of gas, they take their cut. Everytime I drive I have to show my papers when I get pulled over. You are paying a tax on the internet as we speak in some direct and indirect ways. I see the moral position some of you guys are coming from, but were never gonna get rid of the government by any other means than by them going bankrupt. Do you wanna save them some money or cost them some money? I'll take the latter.


Trust me, I see exactly exactly where you guys are coming from, but they arent going to stay out of our lives just because we say "I refuse to participate" Look at that old crusty dude that was in the news recently.  went off the grid and lived in a trailer with no government monopolized utility services.He was self sufficient and they STILL came and kicked him off his own land because they claimed he was "a danger to his own well being" They never have and they never will stop fucking with us liberty minded people, unless of course they are not there to begin with.

[alaric89]

Fair enough. But I doubt HD has such lofty intentions. These industry bailouts are a major hindrance for start ups and industrial progress that's my beef.
For example I doubt you will use your 50 gs  to create the best damn Christmas trees for the best price to your customers.
I know damn well you are using it on dried food, 22Lr rounds, and porn. (that's what I would use it for anyway, minus the bullets and the food)

[Turd Ferguson]

Fair enough. But I doubt HD has such lofty intentions. These industry bailouts are a major hindrance for start ups and industrial progress that's my beef.
For example I doubt you will use your 50 gs  to create the best damn Christmas trees for the best price to your customers.
I know damn well you are using it on dried food, 22Lr rounds, and porn. (that's what I would use it for anyway, minus the bullets and the food)

You are correct. What im saying though, is that in the game the government has set up for all businesses right now, intentions dont really matter. HD could have said "Fuck no, we aint gonna take no government bailouts!!!! Thats un-american!!!" and that wouldn't make a dimes worth of difference in the size or scope of the federal government. They would still be in just about as much debt as they are now. I'm the type of person that looks at the end results of an action and what environment facilitates those actions. Without a federal government present, HD would never get those bailouts. If we are to get to the point to where companies cannot get bailouts, we need to hope they get as many bailouts as possible and crash the feds party that facilitates the ability to do that as quickly as possible.

Its the end results that matter to me. The long term.


PS - Dude, I didnt think there was 50k worth of porn out there. I would widdle my dick down to a sliver by the time I got thought that much porn.

[blackie]

Everytime I drive I have to show my papers when I get pulled over.

I try to drive in a way that won't get me pulled over. It pretty much works.

I see the moral position some of you guys are coming from, but were never gonna get rid of the government by any other means than by them going bankrupt.

I'm not even making a moral argument. I'm saying I try to avoid the government as much as possible. If you want to do things that put more government in your life, fine, have at it.

Even if one government goes bankrupt, does that mean all government will go away?

[Turd Ferguson]

Everytime I drive I have to show my papers when I get pulled over.

I try to drive in a way that won't get me pulled over. It pretty much works.

I see the moral position some of you guys are coming from, but were never gonna get rid of the government by any other means than by them going bankrupt.

I'm not even making a moral argument. I'm saying I try to avoid the government as much as possible. If you want to do things that put more government in your life, fine, have at it.

Even if one government goes bankrupt, does that mean all government will go away?

Driving a particular way in Illinois on the interstate wont make any difference. They pull ya over for absolutely NO reason, since they are all hard up for cash and are just fishing for people driving with no insurance or registration, no license, driving while suspended etc etc. They use all sorts of excuses like "you crossed over the yellow median line back there, thats why im pulling you over" When they know its utter bullshit in the first place. There was even a news story about it on the local news about their fishing expeditions. As their incomes drop, they are looking for new exciting ways of extracting cash out of peoples pockets.

I got pulled over twice in one day on the same mile of road. Once while going east on RT 72 in the morning and once going west when I was coming home. They used the same excuse both times. I was crossing the yellow line on the side of the lane. Both times they checked my registration, insurance and license. and let me go with a "warning". If they would have found any of that stuff, they woulda got me for  75 - 200 bucks and got exactly what they were looking for in the first place.

[blackie]

You are law of attracting it.

[alaric89]

PS - Dude, I didnt think there was 50k worth of porn out there. I would widdle my dick down to a sliver by the time I got thought that much porn.

I would produse the ultimate porn masterpeace; Samson Donkey and the Deaf Midget Gangbang Tentacle Lesbian Sisters do Dallas. Just because there has to be a ultimate porn film. It will be hidden in some obscure link from redtube where if you spank the monkey enough you get to see it. "And now Al89 you have downloaded all 25000 of our tubes! you have now earned the right to see the ultimate porn!" and just the very image burned in ones mind will be jack material for a lifetime.

By the by. Does anyone know if the porn industry got the bailout they asked for?

[Branlin]

Even if one government goes bankrupt, does that mean all government will go away?

That's my thinking also.

Just two years ago Zimbabwe had runaway inflation (see here. Anyone curious about monetary policy might find the astounding inflation numbers in this article quite interesting) Yet the government is still there, and as far as I know, Mugabe, the racist, anti-white leader is still there.

The Soviet Union collapsed, yet they still have an authoritarian government there.

I've read that the American Revolution is pretty much unique in human history for this reason: Other violent revolutions have generally led to a government MORE authoritarian than the one overthrown. Here, just the opposite happened.

When the shit hits the fan in Washington, apparently either of two things will happen: they will inflate (print) their way out of it, or repudiate the debt. Either way will have gigantic repercussions that none of us have ever lived through.

But, if history is a lesson, the government will NOT go away; it could even be more authoritarian and murderous than it is now.

We will all find out in due time.

"May you live in interesting times."

[alaric89]

Interesting times indeed. I also love Terry Pratchett.
Us liberty people need a backup economy, a secret society in plain sight. That is the reason I jump to defend SLB and such. That's the reason I think the FSP is a important rallying point. We will never be able to take out the entire USA government financially. They go broke= Martial Law. I wish I could agree with Quickmike and think they will just throw in the towel but ah.... no.
Also becoming the producer/director of groundbreaking porn will be damn hard under martial law.

[shezmu]

I thought this thread was about the government bailing out HD-DVD manufacturers or something like that. I was ready to  , then  , and then  .