Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause

[shanek]

Shane, you are such a nerd.   I beat people like you up every night.  For fun.  And it is fun.  Because I think of you when I do it.

Hmmm...so you think physical violence is better than a rational examination of the evidence. Why am I not surprised?

[BKO]

Shane, you are such a nerd. I beat people like you up every night. For fun. And it is fun. Because I think of you when I do it.

Hmmm...so you think physical violence is better than a rational examination of the evidence. Why am I not surprised?

I was just pulling your strings.  But, sometimes, YES.  Violence is a better solution, and sometimes it has to be that way.

[zackbass]

And, getting back on topic, the BOD also adopted a new Participant removal option that would allow them to get rid of Larry, but they said they removed him much earlier. Amanda claimed he was kicked out on June 19, 2004, but the FSP didn't change the Articles of Incorporation or bylaws untill July 11th, 2004.

FREE STATE PROJECT, Inc.
Board of Directors Meeting
11 July 2004

  .... Participants who are deemed detrimental the accomplishment of the Free State Project's goals may also be removed. A committee consisting of all of the board members plus the President and Vice President shall consider all cases of participant removal. Participants shall be removed only upon an affirmative vote of five members of this committee.

Jean Alexander 2nd.
Discussion
Jason Sorens moved to close discussion.
Eddie Bradford 2nd.
Vote 5 in favor - 0 against - 0 abstain
Vote on original motion
4 in favor - 0 against - 1 abstain
Motions passed 4-0-1
[This policy and procedure was adopted so that there is a consistent reason for removing participants from the list and a reasonable and balanced method to do that.]

One of those Board Members has since written to me apologizing... and subsequently, apparently, has also been involved in some "bad" publicity for the FSP.
Fisher, do you still have Tim Condon's "pissant" rant?  Talk about "bad" publicity, for saying something that is essentially correct.

As for Tim's Republicanism, yes he is too far in that direction, but he is NOT a Neo-Con, he is a "Lib Lite", as he finally admitted in his last E-Mail to me.

[zackbass]

  .... sometimes, YES.  Violence is a better solution, and sometimes it has to be that way.

Yes, these Homeland Security Hitlers aren't going to shoot themselves, you know.

[zackbass]

"Our dream is to move libertarians and only libertarians to Grafton and get rid of the petty Hitlers who try to control things," Pendarvis said in an interview. He'd also do away with "victimless crime" laws, a list of which he recited in a monotone drawl: selling drugs, incest, prostitution and gambling."

YeeeeHaaaw! You mean if I move to Libertopia I can finally fuck my sister! Im moving right away!
No wait, only ignorant, imbred, mutants would think that Incest was okay.

Who said anything about OKAY, the point is that it is wrong for a Government to PUNISH such behavior, since there is no Victim.
Shit, even shitkickin Florida doesn't punish most forms of incest; for most people, it is perfectly legal here for them to fuck their sisters... and as long as he doesn't insert tab A into slot B, ANYONE may have sex with his own sister with impunity in Florida.

Think about it... if The Government imprisoned people just because they engaged in behavior that might beget a defective child, there would be a law against anyone without a triple-digit IQ screwing, and you'd never get laid!

[xAlpha]

If anything, this proves why people should not be allowed power over others, at least not for any lengthy amount of time. People in power want to retain power, and they want more power. The leadership of the FSP proves that - they're behaving just as bad as the US Gov't.

[fisher]

Fisher, do you still have Tim Condon's "pissant" rant?

Yo, yo, yo, what's crackalackin' Zack?

It is the first email on http://timcondon.info/

From: Tim Condon
Date: Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Free_Town_Project] Top Ten Lies Told by the FSP/FTP In the Wake Of The Grafton Focus Meeting 6/19


At 10:54 AM 6/20/2004 -0700, you wrote:
Feel free to cross-post wherever you can. Amanda Phillips apparently holds residents of Grafton to a different standard than non-Grafton residents when she banned me yesterday after posting something she found to be offensive after one warning. She gives Grafton residents the one strike and you're out treatment while others receive two warnings.

The Top Ten Lies Told In the Wake Of The Grafton Focus Meeting 6/19
And boy, were they coming fast and furious down the pike, during the meeting and afterward in the mentions in the press.

10) From the 6/20 Union Leader: "There's a lot of fear and xenophobia out there," said Tim Condon. "They want to fight against anyone coming in. That's why they kept saying, you haven't answered the question."

Ohmigod, does he really believe this??? Is he really this dense? Does he really think people in NH and Grafton believed his horseshit? One person said, in addition to being a lawyer, he must be a farmer cause he sure does dish out the manure. He must own a helluva backhoe!

Yep. I'm saying it. Why don't you identify yourself so we know who the players are here? I was quite clear and quite emphatic on a number of issues. Repeatedly. We always knew there would be xenophobia to be fought against. But not everyone exhibits that kind of characteristic. I wonder who this "R L" character is.

9) From the Peaks & Valleys column in the 6/20 Boston Globe: "[Babiarz] now says he wants nothing to do with the Freetowners."
Really, now, John? Then why are you and Rosalie so graciously offering to play host to the invading Porcupines who will be showing up in town on the 27th for a four-hour tour of the Free Town?

Yep. I'll be there too. Babiarz has never been a member of the Free Town organization. But he very graciously helped us when we visited there. And he and Rosalie will very graciously help us, along with other Grafton Residents, when we come in to visit and tour on the 27th. You got a problem with that? You got a problem with individual freedom? You got a problem with individual rights or private property? Thankfully, you're not representative of the people of Grafton. You're a piss ant.

8 ) From the mouth of Mike Lorrey: "Grafton has 40 square miles of land. There's a lot of land to build on, you won't even know we're there."

Sorry, we forget, you're from the big city of Lebanon you don't know about things like swamps and ledge. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE 40 SQUARE MILES DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN BUILD ON EVERY SQUARE INCH. Besides, you've already stated in other public posts that your core group of Free Towners don't really have much of a pot to piss in. Who's gonna volunteer to buy that 5.1 acre parcel that's solid ledge, that will take tens of thousands of dollars worth of explosives to blast out in order to put a septic system in? Oh wait, silly me, I forgot that Dave Walthour told you it was perfectly fine to just pipe your shit and sewage into the ground through some PVC pipe, with absolutely no mention of a septic system design let alone that it ain't a good idea to dig your well a few feet away from your septage pipe. Wonder what the NH department of environmental services and the state board of realtors will say this week when they get a copy of the email where Dave Walthour told Tim Condon it was perfectly okay. Might as well send a copy to the NH Bar Association, in case Condon gets the funny idea that he might like to practice law once he moves to Free Town, Free State, USA.

Stupid statement by the asshole, Mr. Piss Ant. I've repeatedly
said I intend not to be a lawyer in the Free State. I can do much more
damage to petty statist pigs like him when I get there by using my talents otherwise. By the way, I believe I know who this person is. He's a little
shit who I had several words with at the meeting yesterday. The only reason I didn't tell him in a mannerly way to "go fuck yourself, piss ant," is
because we were working hard on being calm and mannerly to everyone. I'll see you at the NHLA dinner, piss ant.

7) From Mike Lorrey at the meeting, or, Bring Out The Violins: When asked why if Grafton is so great, why he hasn't moved here yet: "Economics, and also I had to take care of my sick mother." One old-timer countered that with "I took care of my parents til the day they died and I was in Grafton the whole time, you would have moved here already if you love the town so much."

SO? Big deal, piss ant. (Oh, by the way, piss ant doesn't live in Grafton. He's from a nearby town.)

6) From the talking-out-of-both-sides-of-her-mouth Miss ANARCH vanity plate Amanda Phillips, when queried about Zack Bass: "We have urged him not to move to New Hampshire, and he is no longer a member of the Free State Project." To which a resident yelled out, "Yeah, when did you kick him out, yesterday?" She didn't reply.

5) From Tim Condon, Amanda Phillips, and Mike Lorrey at the meeting: "We have no agenda, we are not a political organization. We each have personal opinions, but we don't represent the beliefs of the Free State or Free Town Project."

And from me, repeatedly: "All you have to do is read our web site at www.freestateproject.org." (several people wrote it down). I also explained a lot about the libertarian credo. And I also handed out copies of my "Finding Grafton" article and my "Re-Opening the American Frontier" articles to 20 or 25 people who came up to get it. Hang it up, piss ant. OR, if you don't WANT to be a piss ant, identify yourself, so you can be on the same terms as me, Amanda Phillips, John Babiarz, MIke Lorrey, and others. Oh? You don't WANT to? Bwahhahahahaha. Like I said, I'll see you at the NHLA dinner, or I'll see you again in Grafton, when I move there and you drag your smelly carcass across town lines into Grafton. (Does it come across that you disgust me? Surprise!)

>Told with absolute straight faces! They certainly did some fancy footwork around this one. They advocate less government yet they are not "political." Jason Sorens' original thesis was to "take over" a state, but no, they're not political in the least. Right. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Grafton to show you.

FSP isn't political. What it's all about is on the FSP web site. And we are for the most part libertarians. And I repeatedly explained what we wanted for Grafton. Piss Ant doesn't like it? Too bad!

4) From Mike Lorrey as quoted in the Valley News: "Some of the opposition's been painting a lot of nasty pictures of compounds and cults and really offensive characterizations like that."

Whether you consider the "opposition" to be Graftonites or Zack Bass, the detailed plans of subdividing Bob Hull's 237 acre parcel into 5.1 acre lots along with lists of places where you could get shipping containers DID NOT come from the "opposition." They came from the likes of YOU, Michael, in addition to Captain Bruce Hartgers, Tim Condon, and Dave Walthour.

Stupid piss ant. Bob Hull said that he was going to divide an 18 acre portion of his 237 acres into 3 six-acre parcels. As to the rest of the 237 acres, he hasn't decided yet. Piss ant is a liar as well as a...well, piss ant. Don't bother us, Piss Ant, would ya?

3) From Amanda Phillips, as quoted in the Valley News: "[Zack] is not the kind of person that represents the Free State Project." The last paragraph in the article proceeds to contradict her with this: "Loosely aligned by a desire for a society with smaller government and fewer laws, Free Staters advocate the legalization of 'victimless' crimes such as prostitution and personal drug use." Nuff said.

Some do, some don't, Piss Ant. I repeatedly said it's a scandal that people are having their lives destroyed by getting busted for marijuana usage. I also said we don't want the planning board to abuse people. I also said that libertarians believe that anything consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is okay, including sexual relations. I also said that my wife would kill me if I endorsed polygamy in public, but pointed out that about half the world---the Islamic world---believes in and practices polygamy.

2) From John Babiarz, in the Globe article, on Zack et al: "These people don't play nice."

And John, you do? You started the whole thing when you "sold" the Free Town committee (WHICH INCLUDED ZACK) on Grafton. You did so ON THE SLY, WITHOUT TELLING THE TOWN WHAT YOU DID. You now wonder why you're a pariah in town.

No need to inform Piss Ant. He doesn't even LIVE in Grafton, for one thing.

>1) From Tim Condon, at the meeting in response to a question from a resident, "What would you do if we were to approve a zoning article in the next election? Would you tell your 'followers' to not bother moving here?"
"We'd vote it down, of course"

Yep!

"That's not what I asked."

"We are against zoning."

Yep! Piss Ant got one right. I only said that maybe 10 or 15 times.

"Can you please answer the question? Would you abandon the Free Town Project since your top criteria was a town with no zoning?"

Of course, more gibberish spewed from the mouth of Tim Condon, and he never did answer the question. See his quote above in number 10.

Maybe, maybe not, Piss Ant. I happen to know that most of the people in Grafton aren't pig statists like you are, and don't *want* to control what their neighbors do with and on their property. But then you, you little socialist, want us to believe that Grafton is full of people like you who want to implement zoning. But it ain't the case!

To sum up, all four of the puppets in front of the room COULD HAVE provided some valuable information to the townspeople in attendance. Contrary to their preconceived notions, we were open to hearing their ideas and plans.

Sure, there were some people there like that. We talked to them both before and after the meeting. Good people all! But not you, Piss Ant.

>Instead, they mush-mouthed their way around EVERY SINGLE QUESTION, and if Tim Condon thinks we kept saying "You're not answering the question" because we wanted to keep them out, he probably isn't too good at reading a jury in his line of work. And his social skills need lots of work: he walked up to a friend of mine out of the blue who was wearing a POW/MIA shirt and starting talking about when he served in Vietnam, etc. He proceeded to barge in in the middle of a conversation between two residents who had served in WW2 and another who spent his career in the Air Force – all were wearing military insignia of some kind on their clothing – and if he just thought he could insinuate himself into the town by pretending he could fit in as a veteran, well, all I can say is I'd never sign up to be his client.

I did talk to the guy with the POW/MIA shirt. Told him I was a Vietnam vet. We talked a little. He was in the Air Force, but joined in 1973 just as the war was winding down, so he didn't make it to Vietnam. Nice enough guy. Don't recall talking to any other veterans with insignia on their clothing. Name'em, Piss Ant.

In order of most annoying: 1) Condon; 2) Phillips; 3) Lorrey. Since Babiarz kept his mouth shut most of the time, he didn't qualify as annoying, but at times he looked like a deer caught in headlines. I don't think he ever anticipated such a big turnout among people who now consider him to be an official enemy of the town.

You're an asshole, Piss Ant. But only because you're too chickenshit to identify yourself. Come on out and do politics, like the rest of us. Don't hide. Bob Hull stood up and talked to everyone. I stood up and talked to everyone. John Babiarz stood up and talked to everyone. Amanda Phillips stood up and talked to everyone. Mike Lorrey stood up and talked to everyone. You didn't. I am *so* thankful that you're not what Grafton is all about.

Tim Condon, Participant Services Director, Free State Project
Tampa, Florida - 813-251-2626 - email: tim@t...
A chance to live what you believe: www.freestateproject.org

Tim thinks I wrote "The Top Ten Lies Told In the Wake Of The Grafton Focus Meeting 6/19". I didn't write it, but I agree with almost all of it.
Here is Tim's last post on the FSP forum:
http://forum.freestateproject.org//index.php?PHPSESSID=d518f8a2177c7ef19efaa06edc5a39ec&topic=9438.msg125567#msg125567

Kater, I think both Mike Lorrey and Seth Cohn are reacting to "Fisher"---who goes to great lengths to conceal his identity in many venues---because of his history of extreme hostility to the Free State Project and libertarian ideas of individual freedom. He is extremely hostile to several of us individually because we are active in his area of New Hampshire, specifically Grafton. He has also gone to great lengths to publicly smear several of us, and the FSP in general. For what it's worth, the Grafton imbroiglio was terrible; I spent my own time and money to fly up there that weekend specifically to appear in front of the assembled residents of Grafton, to try to explain that the asinine craziness of Zack Bass, Jay, and a couple of others were not representative of the FSP, or even all of us in the free town group. Many of the Grafton people were friendly and kind, although many were also understandably concerned. Another group, consisting mostly of a number of people from out of town were extremely hostile, and jeered and catcalled at us during our appearance (where LPNH chairman John Babiarz was present, as well as Mike Morrey and FSP president Amanda Phillips). However, most of the Grafton residents were understanding, and a number of them told us "you don't seem so bad, and we wouldn't mind having you as neighbors, just don't invade us with a bunch of idiots" (that's not a direct quote, but was the sense of several residents who spoke). Prior to that time I had severed my relationship with Zack Bass, Jay, and the other people around them who are "libertarian exhibitionists," and I don't have any contact with them today. Still, I'm extremely sorry I was involved in the whole mess, and caused the damage to the Free State Project's image that I did. "Fisher," who I repeatedly called "piss ant" when provoked a couple of days later online, did everything he could to inflame the people of Grafton and exacerbate the alarm that he had helped create by listening in on and repeating the exhibitionist statements made by Zack Bass and others. It also appears that he has publicly libeled me and Mike Lorrey. Investigation with regard to that is in process.   ---Tim Condon

Tim Condon is a FTL AMPlifier

[fisher]

Zack, maybe you were not kicked out of the FSP.

To quote Kat Dillon
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=1422.msg21064#msg21064

Last I looked Zack was still in the FSP database as a member.

She wrote that on August 3, 2005, and was on the BOD during and after the "Grafton incident".

[FTL_Ian]

Welcome to you, Zack!

Yes Tim Condon is an AMPlifier, fisher, so?

[zackbass]

I don't have any proof that Jason Sorens is a skull and bones member.

He has never denied being one when asked.

Of course not.  Although Boners are allowed to kill hundreds of thousands of people to enhance the financial positions of their buddies, they are never allowed to deny that they are Boners.  You never ever see them break that rule.

Normal people, of course, will when asked say "No, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of Skull & Bones."

Example:  I myself am not a Member, therefore I am free to say it:
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of Skull & Bones.

Jason and Bush, on the other hand, are Boners and are forbidden by their Secret Rule to deny that fact, and so you will never ever hear either of them say it.

[FTL_Ian]

Spooky!

[David201]

sounds gay to me.  a secret club of boners.

[bonerjoe]

Actually, they do masturbate during one of their rituals...don't they?

[BKO]

Actually, they do masturbate during one of their rituals...don't they?

In coffins while they confess all of their most intimate secrets and sexual desires.  They must also rob graves and bring back a skull.

[zackbass]

Actually, they do masturbate during one of their rituals...don't they?

I used to masturbate during several of their rituals.  I guess.