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bonerjoe

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Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« on: July 13, 2005, 11:27:22 AM »

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/13/Tampabay/A_bit_of_Tampa_Bay_on.shtml

"So far, the listing has attracted several prospective buyers. But for one of them, Pendarvis' political views are giving him second thoughts.

Stephen Cole-Hatchardcq of New York said he has purchased lots of land through eBay. The island looked appealing as a recreational spot for his three children. However, he didn't like hearing why Pendarvis listed the property.

"Normally, it's ... none of my business what the property is used for," he said. "I have to give it some thought."

Pendarvis said that if he can sell the island for enough money to buy land in Loving County, Texas, like-minded people would flock to the county. They would register to vote and field candidates. With enough supporters, they could take over the reins of local power.

Libertarian Party executive director Joe Seehusen couldn't be reached for comment.

Pendarvis said his goal is to elect local officials and get rid of legal penalties for what he called victimless crimes, such as prostitution, polygamy and drugs.

His Libertarian fantasy has fallen flat in Loving County, an oil-dependent area in west Texas that still lacks water pipes, Sheriff Billy Hooper said.

Despite its name, life in Loving County isn't easy, Hooper said. There aren't any doctors and the nearest place to buy milk is 23 miles away. It's also a conservative place where talk about legal drugs, prostitution and polygamy goes nowhere.

"We've needed people out here for years," Hooper said. "But we need people who aren't going to try to rearrange everything.""
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EclecticBuddha

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 03:53:50 PM »

so... why not just move to NH and help a movement thats already started... oh wait... hes like so many people and would rather have his name in lights on a dumpster than be anonymous in a hotel.
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 01:47:40 PM »

so... why not just move to NH and help a movement thats already started...
I guess you are not familiar with the email that was sent to him:

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Subject: DO NOT COME TO NH - EVER
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:45:13 -0400

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Mr. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxxx,

THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. WITH "FRIENDS" LIKE YOU, WE DON'T NEED ANY ENEMIES.

YOU HAVE POISONED THE WELL IN GRAFTON. THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR "HELP."

THE PEOPLE OF GRAFTON ARE ARMED, DANGEROUS, AND EXTREMELY PISSED AT YOU. EXCEPT FOR THIS MESSAGE, WE WILL CERTAINLY NOT PROTECT YOU.

IN FACT, WE WILL HELP THEM HANG YOU OUT TO DRY IN ANY LEGAL WAY POSSIBLE.

YOU ARE HEREBY WARNED. DO NOT COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE EVER AGAIN.

THERE IS NO WARM, FUZZY FREEDOM COMMUNITY HERE FOR YOU. FOR YOU THERE IS ONLY AN EXTREMELY HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR OWN MAKING. STAY IN FLORIDA.

For Responsible Liberty,

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John Barnes, J. D.
Vice Chair, 2d District, L P N H
Chair, Welcome to the Granite State Committee
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Voice or Fax:
Inside USA: 1-888-221-8628 (Toll-free)
Outside USA: 1-312-893-0715 (Not toll-free)
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E-mail: jbarnes@lpnh.org
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The FSP leadership blamed the Grafton incident on him, and told everyone he was kicked out of the FSP, but never told him. The above email is the only thing he got from 'them'....
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bonerjoe

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 02:08:31 PM »

:-D
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 02:09:25 PM »

What did this guy do in Grafton, NH that was so horrible?
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bonerjoe

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005, 02:10:36 PM »

He wanted to set up a libertarian government by encouraging people to move there and vote, instead of spreading out all over NH.
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 02:12:53 PM »

Aren't there a bunch of people on the FSP forums that are trying to do that as well?
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bonerjoe

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2005, 02:18:01 PM »

He was involved with that until he was kicked out for an interview that appeared in a local newspaper, in which he stated what would happen when a libertarian government was put into power there. For telling the truth instead of being shady like they are, he was banished.
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2005, 02:20:49 PM »

He was involved with that until he was kicked out for an interview that appeared in a local newspaper, in which he stated what would happen when a libertarian government was put into power there. For telling the truth instead of being shady like they are, he was banished.

Do you have a link to that article or what he said?
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2005, 02:23:40 PM »

He was involved with that until he was kicked out for an interview that appeared in a local newspaper, in which he stated what would happen when a libertarian government was put into power there. For telling the truth instead of being shady like they are, he was banished.

Do you have a link to that article or what he said?
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73176629339372&Avis=CM&Dato=20040613&Kategori=REPOSITORY&Lopenr=406130307&Ref=AR

Libertarians set sights on Grafton 
Land purchase and Internet chat are the talk of the town 


By DANIEL BARRICK
Monitor staff


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June 13. 2004 8:00AM

 
The Free Town Project is an offshoot of the Free State Project. Members hope to make Grafton a laboratory to test their unconventional ideas.
GRAFTON - Strangers don't have much reason to come to this town of sweeping mountain views and sagging barns. The natives like it that way.

The old Ruggles Mine attracts some tourists each summer. A few Moonies moved in about 10 years ago, but they left after one brutal winter.

But a new challenge may soon break Grafton's isolation. The Free Town Project, a group of libertarians looking for a laboratory to test their ideas, is targeting Grafton. While none has moved in yet, the self-styled "liberators" are laying the groundwork for their vision.

One project member recently bought 400 acres here and is vague about his plans. Another promises to "overwhelm" town elections and rid Grafton of taxes and public education. Such opinions, while viewed by most residents with a mix of skepticism and amusement, are testing the town's independent, live-and-let-live attitude.

"In the '60s, it used to be, 'The Russians are coming!'" said Ken Cushing, owner of Wild Meadows Auto Body. "Now it's 'The libertarians are coming!'"
 
At the town offices, secretary Bonnie Haubrich said the Free Towners are the talk of nearly everyone who stops by. In e-mails and over coffee at the country store, Graftonites swap rumors about the would-be colonists. Community leaders have invited Free Town Project members to explain their mission at a special meeting this Saturday. Until then, tempers in this town of 1,200 continue to simmer.
"I think everybody's angry about this," said Frank Kimball, an 85-year-old lifelong Grafton resident. "If they get a foothold in here, then you're cooked."

One of the most outspoken Free Towners is Larry Pendarvis of Florida. The 61-year-old Internet consultant runs a mail-order bride service and said he was once a polygamist. He hopes to attract 300 other libertarians to Grafton. With that voting block, he'd dismantle the town planning board, do away with mandatory recycling and shoo away any busybodies.

"Our dream is to move libertarians and only libertarians to Grafton and get rid of the petty Hitlers who try to control things," Pendarvis said in an interview. He'd also do away with "victimless crime" laws, a list of which he recited in a monotone drawl: selling drugs, incest, prostitution and gambling.

Pendarvis said he'll elaborate on these plans at Saturday's meeting.

Live Free or Die

The Free Town Project began last year as a faction of the better-known Free State Project, a group of 6,000 libertarians who vow to move to New Hampshire and create a utopia of low taxes and little government regulation. They chose New Hampshire last October because of its citizen legislature and "Live Free or Die" tradition. Republican Gov. Craig Benson offered an early endorsement. "Come on up, we'd love to have you," he told the group last summer.

Half a dozen Free Staters decided last winter that they would have a bigger impact if they settled in a single town. The search for a hospitable environment took them all over New Hampshire. In February, they visited a dozen towns, including Dalton, Lempster, Grafton and Windsor.

Grafton's lack of zoning regulations and small population appealed immediately. The town's seclusion had bred a distinct strain of Yankee independence that the libertarians liked as well. And it was one of the few towns where the police chief was an elected position, promising a more populist handle on law and order.

Grafton also offered something no other place could: state Libertarian Party Chairman John Babiarz. The former gubernatorial candidate lives here, and although he's not a member of the movement, Babiarz volunteered to show the members around.

"They just want to energize politics in this town," Babiarz said.

The would-be settlers are already having an impact. Pendarvis, for one, is notorious for his tartly worded postings to the group's Yahoo message board and on his site, freetownproject.org. In a recent posting, Pendarvis (who also goes by the name Zach Bass) railed against "a--holes in Grafton who try to FORCE their neighbors to comply" with a ban on junkyards.

Such rhetoric has led the leaders of the Free State Project to distance themselves from the Free Towners. "They're not associated with us in any way," said Amanda Phillips, who heads the state group.

In Grafton, the town residents and the newcomers are both using the Internet to recruit support. Pendarvis posted a list of Grafton landowners and tax maps to his site, to help fellow libertarians in their house-hunting. A handful of residents created their own Web site, savegrafton.org, to track the libertarians' movements. Many Graftonites also regularly log on to the Free Town message board.

"Based on what they say, I think something bad is going to happen,"said Rebecca Richard, a founder of the "Save Grafton" site.

Pendarvis said he's not worried by such opposition. He's not about to change his style to woo his future neighbors.

"I presume they don't like libertarians," he said. "That's okay; I'll bring my own."

Good neighbors

Not all the Free Towners share Pendarvis's militancy. Tim Condon, a Florida lawyer, has more modest goals.

"We just want to move in and be good neighbors," Condon said. "We would seek to prevent people from misusing local government. I can't think of anything in particular that we would do to change the place."

Grafton's setting, in a wide valley between Mount Cardigan and Ragged Mountain, could lure any visitor, libertarian or not. The view of green hills stretches for miles. Old-timers gather twice a day on the porch of the general store for coffee and gossip. Dirt roads wind through forests thick with ferns and evergreens.

Grafton pays a price for such isolation. There are few jobs in town, and shopping trips require a 45-minute drive to Lebanon or Concord. An abandoned gas station sits in the center of town, the sign above the pump frozen at $1.29 per gallon. More than 20 percent of the town's housing units are mobile homes or RVs. Many residents work at home, running auto repair shops in their back yards or selling trinkets on eBay.

Bob Hull, another Free Towner from New Jersey, found something to love in Grafton. He recently bought 240 swampy acres on the east side of town and hopes to move in soon. He said he might sell some land to other Free Towners or develop it himself. Hull said he'll understand if his neighbors don't welcome him immediately.

"I guess a certain amount of xenophobia should be expected,"Hull said.

Many Grafton residents said they hope to have a better idea of the project's intentions after this week's meeting. In the meantime, speculation reigns.

Frank Neufell, a Grafton selectman, said many people he's talked to worry that rapid development could cause their property taxes to skyrocket.

The head of Grafton's Democratic Party, Neil Kenny, wonders how the peculiar calculus of small-town politics would play out with the newcomers. It wouldn't take a huge influx of libertarians to take over Grafton's government, Kenny predicted.

"If they move in 150 registered voters," he said, "they'll control the town."
 
 
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bonerjoe

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 02:27:56 PM »

Ahh, the memories...
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fisher

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 03:10:17 PM »

For telling the truth instead of being shady like they are, he was banished.

Here is some audio of them being shady at the  june 19th, 2004 Grafton meeting, wma format:
Amanda Phillips, FSP goal
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2005, 03:20:37 PM »

For telling the truth instead of being shady like they are, he was banished.

Here is some audio of them being shady at theĀ  june 19th, 2004 Grafton meeting, wma format:
Amanda Phillips, FSP goal

Looking back, Amanda sounds silly.  However, it is always easy to say that when looking back.  The truth is, in her first answer, she did a good job answering the question.  The FSP is the plan to move 20,000 pro-freedom activists into NH.  It is nothing more and nothing less.  The FSP has nothing to do with education in NH.  It sounds like someone tricked the person asking Amanda questions into thinking that the FSP had something to do with education.  Then, even after Amanda answered her question, the lady refused to listen to the answer and asked the same question again.  The people that should feel bad are the people that lied to the lady about what the FSP is about. 

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fisher

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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2005, 03:56:48 PM »

For telling the truth instead of being shady like they are, he was banished.

Here is some audio of them being shady at the  june 19th, 2004 Grafton meeting, wma format:
Amanda Phillips, FSP goal

Looking back, Amanda sounds silly.  However, it is always easy to say that when looking back.
It sounded silly at the time to almost everyone that was there.

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The truth is, in her first answer, she did a good job answering the question.  The FSP is the plan to move 20,000 pro-freedom activists into NH.  It is nothing more and nothing less.
She didn't answer the question at all. She did a good job at avoiding the question. That is what the FSP says now. They said very different things in the past.

Why don't you listen to this interview from 2003-10-02, and hear Elizabeth McKinstry, Vice-President of the FSP talk about legalizing drugs and prostitution:
http://nhpr.org/view_content/5233/


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The FSP has nothing to do with education in NH.

Do you  mind if I quote Jason P Sorens?
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/020914-15.htm
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Within about ten years after our move, we should have people in the state legislature and we should have entrenched political control of several towns and counties. At this point we could start making more substantial reforms, such as privatisation of the schools.



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It sounds like someone tricked the person asking Amanda questions into thinking that the FSP had something to do with education.  Then, even after Amanda answered her question, the lady refused to listen to the answer and asked the same question again.  The people that should feel bad are the people that lied to the lady about what the FSP is about. 
Blame the media, and the assholes in the FSP leadership for telling the media the truth. How the fuck do you thing the FSP is going to reduce the government by 2/3?

http://freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/0032.php
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Making prostitution legal is an empowerment tool for women," McKinstry explained. "It allows them to get the protection under the law that everyone deserves."

To be fair, McKinstry insists that The Free State Project is about a lot more than sex, drugs and lock-and-load. Drawing heavily from Libertarian Party philosophy, it also advocates things like lower state taxes, privatization of schools and utilities and, of course, the end to asset forfeiture and eminent domain. In short, it's about almost anything that makes big government smaller.

Just wondering Keith, how long have you been a FSP member?

I'd like to hear your recruiting pitch when you try to get  people to join a group about nothing.  :lol:
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Re: Guy sells private island to finance libertarian cause
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2005, 05:36:00 PM »

I do think that Fisher just PWND every freestater on these boards.

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