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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #135 on: April 14, 2009, 11:21:51 PM »

So it's pointless? I should stop? I should live the rest of my life as comfortable as possible trying to stay away from the guns?

There are other options. You can be very active and be completely unnoticed.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #136 on: April 14, 2009, 11:25:37 PM »

You can be very active and be completely unnoticed.
Or... very active and viewed in a positive light by just about everyone in the community.

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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #137 on: April 14, 2009, 11:26:51 PM »

You can be very active and be completely unnoticed.
Or... very active and viewed in a positive light by just about everyone in the community.

I guess that too. I'd prefer whatever freedom activism I participate to be fairly anonymous.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #138 on: April 14, 2009, 11:30:55 PM »

once caller commented and mentioned Sam "being beaten back there" and not letting people watch.
They didn't let anyone watch?  Man that is fucked up.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #139 on: April 14, 2009, 11:36:32 PM »

...I'm sure "the powers that be" are having a good laugh over the antics.

What would you have to see to change your mind from "they're laughing" to "they're annoyed" to "they're worried"?

I think some people are probably annoyed, and maybe a few are worried.

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And if you think the project will be ineffectual, how do you predict it will end? Fizzle out as activists lose interest and "grow up"?
I think at some point the people in the FSP will realize the only chance they have is the FTP in Grafton. But many won't want to move to Grafton, so it won't work out.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #140 on: April 14, 2009, 11:45:16 PM »

...I'm sure "the powers that be" are having a good laugh over the antics.

What would you have to see to change your mind from "they're laughing" to "they're annoyed" to "they're worried"?

I think some people are probably annoyed, and maybe a few are worried.


Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #141 on: April 14, 2009, 11:47:01 PM »

Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.

I've kinda wondered about that myself.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #142 on: April 14, 2009, 11:47:18 PM »

...I'm sure "the powers that be" are having a good laugh over the antics.

What would you have to see to change your mind from "they're laughing" to "they're annoyed" to "they're worried"?

I think some people are probably annoyed, and maybe a few are worried.


Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.
Some of them read the FSP website and think 20,000 people are about to move. I'm just sayin'
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #143 on: April 14, 2009, 11:49:10 PM »

I think some people are probably annoyed, and maybe a few are worried.


Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.

Where's the money coming from? State? It's certainly not coming from the CD activists. I know that you know this isn't your typical "who's holding the bail money?" civil disobedience.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #144 on: April 14, 2009, 11:51:51 PM »

Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.

I've kinda wondered about that myself.

Hell you got dozens of people just begging to be ticketed and most will end up paying some sort of fine.  Notice when someone refuses to pay a fine the other CD people bark at the moon about it, but for some odd reason no mention is made in the vast majority of cases?

And now someone wants us to donate to some CD fund so they can use the donated money to pay the fines rather than their own funds?

Easy money.  I'll bet Keene will be getting a whole bunch of new stuff this year.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #145 on: April 14, 2009, 11:57:52 PM »

Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.

I've kinda wondered about that myself.

Hell you got dozens of people just begging to be ticketed and most will end up paying some sort of fine.  Notice when someone refuses to pay a fine the other CD people bark at the moon about it, but for some odd reason no mention is made in the vast majority of cases?

And now someone wants us to donate to some CD fund so they can use the donated money to pay the fines rather than their own funds?

Easy money.  I'll bet Keene will be getting a whole bunch of new stuff this year.

Hmm. I believe you are misinformed.

I know of one fine that was paid to the courts for a "Civil Disobedience" violation. That was Menno for not having a car registered. Ian was going to pay a fine, but instead was allowed to donate his money to charity. Who and what are these "vast majority of cases" involving CD activists paying fines?

The CD Evolution Fund is to help jailed activists pay rent, not pay bail/fines.

Edit: and now upcoming the people off the top of my head that won't be paying fines until some sort of court proceedings occur (which cost more than the ticket is worth):

Mike Barskey
Andrew Carroll
Jesse
+ the 6 summons given out on Monday
+ whatever is going to happen to Sam
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #146 on: April 15, 2009, 12:02:15 AM »

Worried?  Bah, the CD people are a blessing for local government.  Easy money.

I've kinda wondered about that myself.

Hell you got dozens of people just begging to be ticketed and most will end up paying some sort of fine.  Notice when someone refuses to pay a fine the other CD people bark at the moon about it, but for some odd reason no mention is made in the vast majority of cases?

And now someone wants us to donate to some CD fund so they can use the donated money to pay the fines rather than their own funds?

Easy money.  I'll bet Keene will be getting a whole bunch of new stuff this year.

Hmm. I believe you are misinformed.

I know of one fine that was paid to the courts for a "Civil Disobedience" violation. That was Menno for not having a car registered. Ian was going to pay a fine, but instead was allowed to donate his money to charity. Who and what are these "vast majority of cases" involving CD activists paying fines?

The CD Evolution Fund is to help jailed activists pay rent, not pay bail/fines.

I was asking.  Notice that no one mentions whether or not a fine was paid in a the vast majority of cases?

The fund may be to "pay rent" but just wait until the local government figures out when it's grown large enough and starts slapping fines on everyone hoping something sticks.

I'm still looking for the increased freedom as a result of CD, so far it only seems to have gone the way.  Evidence: the whole cameras in court thing.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #147 on: April 15, 2009, 12:07:17 AM »

I was asking.  Notice that no one mentions whether or not a fine was paid in a the vast majority of cases?

The fund may be to "pay rent" but just wait until the local government figures out when it's grown large enough and starts slapping fines on everyone hoping something sticks.

I'm still looking for the increased freedom as a result of CD, so far it only seems to have gone the way.  Evidence: the whole cameras in court thing.

Well I can admit that we often suffer from poor reporting and lacking in followup updates at FreeKeene. This is an organization issue I think ("oh, someone else will post that update."), and I'm often posting updates to court stories I wasn't even attending, just because I think they should be followed up on.

As for CD reducing freedom and encouraging crackdown, I was recently asked "So, have you guys made any progress in your activism?" and my answer was "Depends what you call progress. Was Ghandi making progress as he was beaten into the ground? It was a step along the way, but it probably didn't feel like progress at the time."
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #148 on: April 15, 2009, 12:08:35 AM »

I think a key difference is that the Indians sided with Ghandi.

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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #149 on: April 15, 2009, 12:09:54 AM »

Was Ghandi making progress as he was beaten into the ground.

A. Ghandi was a racist.

B. Look how he ended up.

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